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| From | Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> |
| Date | 2026-03-18 07:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XFWdnfIP4_8OKif0nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> (permalink) |
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On 03/17/2026 09:49 PM, Bill Sloman wrote: > On 18/03/2026 4:34 am, The Starmaker wrote: >> Bill Sloman wrote: >>> >>> On 17/03/2026 7:14 pm, The Starmaker wrote: >>>> Bill Sloman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 17/03/2026 2:55 am, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>> Bill Sloman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16/03/2026 3:42 pm, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>> Bill Sloman wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 13/03/2026 8:24 pm, Thomas Heger wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Am Donnerstag000012, 12.03.2026 um 12:29 schrieb Bill Sloman: >>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> True. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and isn't worth the effort until you have lots of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> observations to make sense of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense. Your naive positivism is playing up again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best counterexample: general relativity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It wasn't based on any observation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, it was based on some madness of an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> insane crazy instead. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Einstein was about as sane as anybody could be. >>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I personally think, that Einstein was what I would call a >>>>>>>>>>>> 'disinformation agent'. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You are free to think that. I wouldn't go around telling >>>>>>>>>>> other people >>>>>>>>>>> that you think that - it would suggest that you had a rather >>>>>>>>>>> poor >>>>>>>>>>> grasp of reality >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Most likely he wasn't even a Jew and a Swiss from birth. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Lots of people were happy to claim him as being Jewish after >>>>>>>>>>> he got >>>>>>>>>>> famous. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If Einstein wasn't actually a Jew, this would be a possible >>>>>>>>>> explanation >>>>>>>>>> for why he rejected the presidency of Israel, which was >>>>>>>>>> offered to him. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Would have been quite dangerous, if he had actually accepted >>>>>>>>>> and would >>>>>>>>>> been asked to prove his jewishness. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A much more likely explanation is that he didn't fancy becoming >>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>> kind of figurehead to be rolled out on ceremonial occasions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It would have distracted him from the scientific work that he >>>>>>>>> kept on >>>>>>>>> doing all his life. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh Yes, the scientific work that he kept on >>>>>>>> doing all his life was figuring out how to teleport a Navy war >>>>>>>> ship from >>>>>>>> one city to another city... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Einstein was working on...Quantum Teleportation. Called "The >>>>>>>> Einstein's >>>>>>>> Continuum of Spatio-Temporal" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "The Einstein's continuum of spatio-temporal which enabled idea of >>>>>>>> quantum teleportation, which represents technique of >>>>>>>> dematerialization >>>>>>>> of the matter, in one location and 'faxing', namely, electronic >>>>>>>> transmission to quantum state on the other >>>>>>>> location, in order to be materialized there." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (dematerialization in one location, and materialized on the other >>>>>>>> location). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Larry Niven described it better - as a science fiction author he >>>>>>> had to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Attributing it to Einstein seems to be pure invention. It didn't >>>>>>> show up >>>>>>> in 1950's science fiction, and Einstein died in 1955. >>>>>>>> Put simply, it would get you from here to there... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You. or something that might look very like you. Transforming >>>>>>> some 70kgm >>>>>>> of matter into energy and transforming it back to matter implies >>>>>>> transmitting great deal of energy. A hydrogen bomb transforms >>>>>>> 0.7kgm of >>>>>>> mass into energy. Transforming the energy into exactly the right >>>>>>> sort of >>>>>>> matter to exactly duplicate you might be tricky >>>>>> >>>>>> "exactly duplicate", or making a copy is not how it works. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is simply a 'cut and paste'. >>>>>> >>>>>> You cut it from and paste it there. >>>>>> >>>>>> Like on a computer.. >>>>>> you just highlight the whole folder with a blue light, then you, >>>>>> you...cut-and-paste it >>>>>> to your other hard drive and it reappears there! >>>>>> >>>>>> Not copy and paste, cut and paste. >>>>> >>>>> A distinction without meaning. "Cut and paste" is just "copy and >>>>> paste" >>>>> followed by "delete the original". Somebody with a very tight memory >>>>> budget might cut, paste and delete in very small chunks. >>>>> >>>>>> You scan each atom >>>>>> delete it. and paste it there. >>>>> >>>>> Which would mean that there would be a point where you'd have half a >>>>> person at each end of the link, both dead, unless you could >>>>> complete the >>>>> process in less than a millisecond. >>>>> >>>>>> spooky at a distance. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why do you think Einstein didn't finish it? >>>>> >>>>> Have you any evidence to suggest that Einstein even started on it? >>>> >>>> Yes, you gave us the evidence. >>>> >>>> You wrote: "It would have distracted him from the scientific work that >>>> he kept on doing all his life." >>>> >>>> >>>> You were referring to his Grand Unified Theory he was working on all >>>> his >>>> life. >>>> >>>> What do you think the Grand Unified Theory 'is'? >>> >>> It includes gravity as well as electromagnetism and the weak and strong >>> nuclear forces. >>> >>>> In 'science jargon' it's: 'When a mass moves, the force acting on other >>>> masses had been considered to adjust instantaneously to the new >>>> location >>>> of the displaced mass.' >>>> >>>> In other words... make a ship invisible and transport it to another >>>> place. >>> >>> No. >>> >>>> You scan the atom (all the atoms) of the ship, delete it, and paste it >>>> another place. >>> >>> Lovely if you could do it, but you probably need to invent a new >>> universe with new and different physical laws to make it possible >>> >>>> "The Office of Naval Research (ONR) has stated that the use of force >>>> fields to make a ship and her crew invisible does not conform to known >>>> physical laws. >>>> ONR also claims that Dr. Albert Einstein's Unified Field Theory was >>>> never completed. >>>> During 1943-1944, Einstein was a part-time consultant with the Navy's >>>> Bureau of Ordnance, undertaking theoretical research on explosives and >>>> explosions. " >>> >>> The Bureau of Ordance wanted a celebrity name to play with. >>> >>>> I think I have around somewhere a blackboard with all the math on it >>>> 'about getting from here to there' teleportation...celestial mechanics. >>>> >>>> https://x.com/Starmaker111/status/2033817198998000030/photo/1 >>>> >>>> but it is not finished... >>> >>> Like a lot of other research projects. Mostly when you dig deep enough, >>> you find out that an idea is never going to work. If your success rate >>> is better than 30% you are going to get scooped by other researchers >>> uncomfortably often. >>> >>> Good ideas have a nasty habit of striking different people in different >>> places at much the same time. A friend ended up making $A12 million out >>> of an idea he patented. Tektronix had applied for a provisional patent >>> six weeks earlier, but abandoned it without spending the much larger >>> sums that would have been required to register an actual patent. >> >> It's also not science fiction as you claim to be...\\ > > It certainly is science fiction, which doesn't stop people having > half-baked ideas about using it in real life. > >> Using refined tools and long series of experiments, Anton Zeilinger >> started to use entangled quantum states. >> Among other things, his research group has demonstrated a phenomenon >> called quantum teleportation, which makes it possible to move a >> quantum state from one particle to one at a distance. >> >> https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=4ae20d8bd47daad1&hl=en&gbv=2&sxsrf=ANbL-n4iBGManDUb2_O74J964ltj7MZlqg%3A1773767645872&q=nobel+prize+quantum+teleportation >> > > A quantum state doesn't have any mass. > >> The 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded to Alain Aspect, John F. >> Clauser, and Anton Zeilinger >> for their pioneering work on quantum entanglement, which laid the >> foundation for the field of quantum information science, including >> quantum teleportation. >> >> https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/2022/press-release/#:~:text=Using%20refined%20tools%20and%20long,the%20Nobel%20Committee%20for%20Physics. >> >> >> and that 'blackboard' is Albert Einstein's promotion for...teleportation. >> >> https://x.com/Starmaker111/status/2033817198998000030/photo/1 > >> 'beam me up, Scotty.' > > Since Scotty was always pixels on a screen, \it an illusion. > >> I notice you have a Scottish accent... > > Via my wife I hung out with quite a few dialect experts. My accent is > educated Australian, slightly soften by 22 years living in England. One > work colleague - with whom I'm still in contact - is Scottish, but I > don't seem to have picked up his accent. > >> are you slow? > > My surname is a west country surname - there are more pages of Slomans > in the Taunton telephone directory than in the London telephone > directory - and it is a contraction of Sloughman, who was some who > farmed bottom land close to a river. > > I'm not slow - both my parents had university degrees and I got a Ph.D. > All my nieces and nephews have been to university and graduated - one > now works for Google. My father's sister married a very clever vet, who > ended up with a D.Sc, and both their kids were professors at Adelaide > University for a bit. It isn't a high prestige school and both moved on > to better jobs. That is the clever branch of the family. My father's 25 > patents - I've only got three - instills a certain measure of humility. > Don't feed that leering menace.
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