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On 2024-09-07 14:18, Joe Gwinn wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Sep 2024 08:38:27 -0700, john larkin
> <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 06 Sep 2024 19:21:31 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 06 Sep 2024 08:59:06 -0700, john larkin
>>> <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 06 Sep 2024 11:27:38 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 06 Sep 2024 07:53:46 -0700, john larkin
>>>>> <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was driving and listening to the local mostly-annoying NPR radio
>>>>>> station, but they had an interesting interview with a book author. It
>>>>>> was about his novel or some poetry or something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What was interesting was his recalling a conversation that he'd had
>>>>>> with his wife. She was takling about a plant or something and asked
>>>>>> him to visualize it. He was astounded that she, or anyone, could close
>>>>>> their eyes and *see* something they were thinking about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was shocked to learn that there are people who can't form a mental
>>>>>> visual image.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Close your eyes and consider a nice white ceramic dinner plate with a
>>>>>> beautiful deep red apple sitting in the center. Can you see it? From
>>>>>> the side and from the top? Do you see the stem? The colors? Imagine it
>>>>>> slowly rotating? See the fruit fly?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the world is divided between people who can visualise and people
>>>>>> who can't, that could explain a great deal.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are definitely such people, and I've met them.  The example that
>>>>> springs to mind was a History Teaching Assistant I met in college in
>>>>> the 1960s.  It turned out that he had been an EE Undergrad, and
>>>>> discovered that he could not visualize the electrons in motion, unlike
>>>>> his colleagues.  This TA was wise enough to know that this was
>>>>> crippling - he would never be able to compete with those who could
>>>>> visualize electrons.  So he switched to History.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Gwinn
>>>>
>>>> The statistics would be interesting, whether the non-visualization
>>>> thing is common or maybe very rare. I'll have to google that some
>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> There is a small fraction of the population that don't like music, for
>>>> example. That includes me. Some people absolutely can't remember
>>>> faces. I know a guy who can only recognize people by their hair.
>>>>
>>>> I'd expect that among CE/EE graduates, good visualizers would tend to
>>>> be more EE and less visualizers more CE. Things vs words.
>>>>
>>>> That would suggest a good interview question.
>>>>
>>>> I was drafted once (never served) and took a test to join the Marine
>>>> Corps. One part involved looking at a flat thing with various squares
>>>> painted with patterns, and then imagining a box that was folded up
>>> >from the flat thing. I guess that visualizing things would be useful
>>>> to a Marine.
>>>>
>>>> I think the original IQ test was for the military.
>>>
>>> It was.  Staring in WW1, when there were millions of new recruits to
>>> sort into jobs.
>>>
>>> There is another kind of visualization that is very common and quite
>>> useful:  Most people who take an internal combustion engine apart and
>>> reassembles it can diagnose mechanical problems from the sound made by
>>> the engine as a vehicle drives past - one can "see" the moving parts
>>> as they are making the noise in that engine.  Most auto mechanics can
>>> do this, and so can I.
>>>
>>> As for the EE who went into History, the usual path for people who
>>> cannot visualize is Mathematics.  But even that benefits from
>>> visualization.
>>>
>>> My father was a degreed aeronautical engineer.  But he really didn't
>>> visualize things like auto engines and cooling systems at all
>>> specialty was theory, and aeronautical engineering has far more
>>> complex math than EE.
>>>
>>> .<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navier%E2%80%93Stokes_equations>
>>>
>>> Plus lots of classical physics.  I never asked him if he could
>>> visualize fluid flow from the math, but I bet he could.
>>>
>>> Joe Gwinn
>>
>> Some people can "see" equations flow. Probably Phil can.
>>
>> I can visualize a circuit and see the voltages and the current flowing
>> around, but that falls apart at any great complexity, and I can
>> forget, so it helps to scribble the ideas in a bedside notebook.
>>
>> Some look great in the morning and some really don't.
>>
>> Some ideas happen in the shower so they are harder to scribble down. I
>> recall that someone once sold a waterproof sketch kit or whiteboard or
>> something.
> 
> Space Pen and waterproof surveyor's field notebook?
> 
> .<https://www.kokuyostore.com/en_US/field-notebook-waterproof-type/SE-Y11.html>
> 
> Waterproof markers are also used.  Many will write underwater.
> 
> Joe Gwinn
> 

Or just write on the tiles with a nice black grease pencil.  (Staying 
married afterwards is left as an exercise for the reader.) ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

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