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Re: AC switch fault current philosophy

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Date	2017-12-28 14:42 -0800
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Subject	Re: AC switch fault current philosophy
From	pcdhobbs@gmail.com

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>On Thursday, 28 December 2017 20:27:43 UTC, pcdh...@gmail.com  wrote: 
>> >You might limit the current and trip the mains breaker to cope with the 
>> >short. That way you simultaneously protect the shorted device and send 
>> >users a dramatic message that something's wrong. 
> 
>> You mean the breaker at the _panel_? How do you know if it's magnetic or thermal? 
>> 
>> And then somebody plugs it into daisy-chained extension cords and your 'safety 
>> device' burns down the building. Brilliant all round. :( 

>don't implement it stupidly. The current limiter must have overheat protection.

How are you going to do that if you don't know how it's connected?

Building a known fast breaker into the box, I get. Relying on the capabilities of a hypothetical breaker at an unknown upstream point, not so much. 

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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