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Re: energy and mass

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity, sci.electronics.design
Subject Re: energy and mass
Date 2026-02-28 10:28 +0100
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Am Donnerstag000026, 26.02.2026 um 18:54 schrieb Bill Sloman:
...
>>>>> The Greenland ice sheet
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_ice_sheet
>>>>>
>>>>> would be good for 7.4 meters of sea if it all slid off into the sea at
>>>>> once, and similar events happened at the end of the most recent ice 
>>>>> age.
>>>>>
>>>>> The West Antarctic ice sheet
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Antarctic_Ice_Sheet
>>>>>
>>>>> will probably deliver 3.3 meters of sea level rise rather sooner.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, it could but it is very unlikely that it will.
>>>
>>> That depends on how fast we cut our carbon emissions.
>>
>>
>> Well, yes, humans exhale CO2.
>>
>> But, please, don't stop to do that.
>>
>> But in case of sea-level rising due to climate change I can assure 
>> you, that emitting CO2 by you has absolutely zero effect upon sea-levels.
> 
> You can assure me as much as you like, but you don't strike me as having 
> a clue about what you are talking about.
> 
>> First:
>>
>> there is actually 'climate-change' as a real phenomenon in many places.
>>
>> But that isn't caused or even related to CO2, but has other reasons.
>>
>> Mainly the water is the key to understand weather. Climate is strictly 
>> local and the result from what is happening in a certain region.
> 
> Climate isn't remotely local. When the El Nino and La Nina states show 
> up, they are most clearly visible in the ocean surface temperatures in 
> the Pacific around the equator. They change the rainfall patterns in 
> Eastern Australia. Weather is about moving heat from the equator towards 
> the poles, and it ties into ocean currents that do the same job. We can 
> see the ones flowing on the surface. The deep currents that handle the 
> return flow are now being documented by the Argo Buoy program, but there 
> are only a couple of thousand of them and a great deal of ocean.

'Climate' was once defined as the mean local state of the atmosphere.


But once the scum took over, that was changed and the word was used to 
describe the word as a hole.

This was necessary, because the scandal is meant as justification of 
what I would call 'tax on air', which is apparently planned for the 
first world countries, where 'climate' is more or less OK, even it could 
be a little warmer in many areas.

The real problem occurs, of course, in much poorer regions, where 
pollution and population growth is out of control.

But even if the countries in that region are actually responsible for 
what they do, they are far too poor to allow to extract a lot of tax.

So, the industrialized world is blamed for what they are not responsible 
and what they could not change efficiently.

The means to justify this bunk is actually a redefinition of the world 
'climate', which is now used to describe the mean temperature of the 
entire Earth.

This was needed, because otherwise countries in the first world could 
rightfully claim, that they were not responisble and had nothing against 
warmer 'climate'.



...

TH

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  Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 07:44 -0800
    Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 06:19 +1100
      Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-19 21:41 +0100
      Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 15:48 -0800
        Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 18:45 +1100
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                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 15:15 +0100
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                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 11:25 +0100
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                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.invalid (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 22:38 +0100
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                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 23:12 -0800
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                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 17:40 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 22:53 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 12:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 00:17 +1100
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                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 11:21 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-21 16:16 +0100
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              Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-20 21:47 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 18:48 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-21 11:19 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 04:52 -0800
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-23 14:36 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 03:57 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 09:08 -0800
                Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-23 18:16 +0000
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 21:49 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 22:28 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 18:15 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 00:42 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-25 18:54 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 11:34 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-25 23:01 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 20:51 -0800
                Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-24 09:31 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 22:21 +1100
                Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-24 22:18 +0000
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 21:08 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 18:19 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-23 23:33 +0100
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-24 15:53 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-25 14:48 +0100
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-25 15:54 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-25 17:48 +0100
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-26 13:10 +0000
  Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-20 08:29 +0100

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