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| From | x <x@x.net> |
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| Newsgroups | sci.physics, sci.electronics.design |
| Subject | Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider |
| Date | 2026-03-30 02:41 -0700 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
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On 3/30/26 02:06, Jan Panteltje wrote: >> x <x@x.net>wrote: >>> On 3/29/26 22:31, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>> x <x@x.net>wrote: >>>>> On 3/29/26 06:30, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>> x <x@x.net>wrote: >>>>>>> On 3/28/26 23:05, Bill Sloman wrote: >>>>>>> On 27/03/2026 7:51 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>>>>> x <x@x.net>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 3/21/26 23:44, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2026 13:33:36 -0700, x <x@x.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/21/26 00:05, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Physicists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN’s Large >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hadron Collider >>>>>>>>>>>>> CERN scientists have discovered a long-predicted heavy cousin of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the proton, finally solving a 20-year mystery. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: >>>>>>>>>>>>> March 19, 2026 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Source: >>>>>>>>>>>>> University of Manchester >>>>>>>>>>>>> Summary: >>>>>>>>>>>>> A new subatomic particle known as the ?cc? (Xi-cc-plus) >>>>>>>>>>>>> has been discovered at CERN’s Large Hadron Collider. >>>>>>>>>>>>> This heavy proton-like particle contains two charm quarks and >>>>>>>>>>>>> was detected using the upgraded LHCb experiment. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Scientists observed it through its decay into lighter >>>>>>>>>>>>> particles in high-energy collisions. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The finding confirms predictions and settles a decades-long >>>>>>>>>>>>> question about its existence. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Link: >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/03/260319005106.htm >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just double checking. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In the science fiction story Lexxx, the Earth was >>>>>>>>>>>> destroyed by the superconducting supercollider in >>>>>>>>>>>> Texas, and not CERN. That is correct? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But the SSC was never built. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> They did finish the helium plant in Waxahachie. We supplied the cryo >>>>>>>>>>> instrumentation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nice. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I was thinking with ever more knowledge of ever smaller particles >>>>>>>>>> will we see chips that use interactions of those? >>>>>>>>>> I mean we are now into electrons and holes, but go an order of >>>>>>>>>> magnitude smaller, more on a chip. >>>>>>>>>> OTOH when you look at large colliders, to me is like shooting 2 >>>>>>>>>> Tesla cars at each other at supersonic speed. >>>>>>>>>> Sure, you may find some bolts and nuts, but will you ever figure out >>>>>>>>>> the inside of the chips in auto-pilot and their >>>>>>>>>> programming? >>>>>>>>>> You will find all sorts of shrapnel though... >>>>>>>>>> I really have no clue as to what 'quarks' exactly are, just math >>>>>>>>>> ideas?. >>>>>>>>>> So: >>>>>>>>>> " >>>>>>>>>> If you cannot do it with those small particles on the desktop >>>>>>>>>> then you will not be able to do it in a machine the size of the >>>>>>>>>> Universe. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When it comes to computers, I am thinking that the 'Heisenberg >>>>>>>>> uncertainty principle' is not really wanted. Yes there is 'on' >>>>>>>>> and there is 'off' in logic gates like 'flip flops' but you >>>>>>>>> do not want them jumping back and forth between the two. You >>>>>>>>> want a '1' to remain a '1' and a '0' to remain a '0' until >>>>>>>>> a read-write or chip select signal is to be sent and only at >>>>>>>>> that time can you set a '1' to a '0' or a '0' to a '1'. There >>>>>>>>> is also 'dynamic RAM', 'flash drives', and other phenomena but >>>>>>>>> the general idea is that you do not want random '1's and '0's >>>>>>>>> to appear except when a read-write is happening. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As for 'quarks' I am thinking there is supposed to be a 'strong >>>>>>>>> force'. In general the 'nucleus' of 'atoms' is supposed to have >>>>>>>>> certain 'charged' materials in them called 'protons'. These >>>>>>>>> 'protons' are all supposed to have a 'positive' electric charge >>>>>>>>> that repels each other. The 'strong force' is supposed to be >>>>>>>>> a strong force that holds all of those 'protons' together in >>>>>>>>> a 'nucleus'. Then there is a 'weak force'. The 'weak' force >>>>>>>>> is often much 'weaker' than the 'strong force' in a lot of >>>>>>>>> circumstances. In general, it allows the interconversion of >>>>>>>>> 'protons' into 'neutrons' and 'neutrons' into 'protons' >>>>>>>>> (also involving a 'little neutral one' in the process some times >>>>>>>>> called a 'neutrino'). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As for 'quarks' I am thinking it has to do with the phenomena >>>>>>>>> involved with building of 'protons' and 'neutrons' and not just >>>>>>>>> 'electrons' and 'positrons'. Then of course there is that >>>>>>>>> ancient Carl Sagan's 'can you know a grain of salt'? Well, >>>>>>>>> it might be difficult to memorize all of the specific positions >>>>>>>>> of every sodium and chlorine atom in a grain of salt. Can you >>>>>>>>> simplify, however? The 'sodium' and 'chlorine' atoms in a >>>>>>>>> 'crystal' might have certain relations with respect to each >>>>>>>>> other? It might be possible to simplify. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Then of course there is 'Broca's Brain'. In it there was >>>>>>>>> speculation. Could one read the positions of 'neurons' >>>>>>>>> with respect to each other in a preserved 'brain'? If so >>>>>>>>> one might be able to 'read' the 'information' in the >>>>>>>>> preserved brain, simulate how those interactions of 'neurons' >>>>>>>>> might have gone on when the 'brain' was alive, and then in >>>>>>>>> a limited sense that 'person' might 'live again' in the >>>>>>>>> simulated world. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I guess he has a web page on Wikipedia. It seems that he >>>>>>>>> died in Paris, France in 1880 age 56. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If I was a brain cell and had to remember things, a lot of things, I >>>>>>>> would store it locally in DNA or RNA >>>>>>>> Nature is very efficient, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe one day we can transfer 'wisdom' by a simple copy of DNA / RNA >>>>>>>> Like nature does :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It doesn't. If you wanted to copy memories you'd have to copy a whole >>>>>>> set of DNA molecules and the way they were interconnected. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nature transfer instincts via heritable DNA, but that's much more basic >>>>>>> stuff than wisdom. >>>>>> >>>>>> Totally disconnected from reality. That is not how the brain >>>>>> works. The brain stores information by changing the nature >>>>>> of the interconnections between the nerve cells. They change >>>>>> them based upon whether the nerve cells fire or do not fire, >>>>>> and that can be based at least somewhat on sensation from >>>>>> the environment. The DNA and RNA code for proteins that >>>>>> do that when the cells fire. It is pretty much the same >>>>>> DNA/RNA for humans and animals. The uniqueness of our >>>>>> thoughts and memories have to do with the specific >>>>>> connections between the nerve cel >>>>> >>>>> That is the old view / model. >>>>> done some coding with that model. >>>>> It raises the question if 'nerve cells' apart from building bias >>>>> also store the signals in time and amplitude and chemical composition >>>>> There is more than an electric signal between brain nerve cells, >>>>> actually there is a chemical transport that may contain different things >>>>> Humans will find out if not already did. >>>> >>>> Yea there are various levels of knowledge on >>>> many subjects. I am thinking that when I comes >>>> to microscopy of the nervous system I once >>>> took a class. on various subjects. I am thinking >>>> that when nerve cells are often studied the >>>> tissue is first exchanged with organic solvents, >>>> and then wax. Then the wax is cut into slices. >>>> Then the slices are placed on slides and the >>>> wax is re-exchanged with organic solvents. >>>> >>>> I have also, to the best of my recollection >>>> not made a diary entry for either today or >>>> yesterday. >>>> >>>> Sorry. >>> >>> No problem >>> There are every now and then nice papers referenced from https://www.sciencedaily.com/ >>> I once worked in the chemical lab of a big university hospital for a while. >>> All sorts of cool equipment, from mass spectrometers to DNA research related >>> and interesting things the students came up with for their projects, >>> help design electronics for those. >>> Had to keep the equipment running or fix stuff if needed, >>> >>> But I am no chemical genius like Bill. >>> >>> If I had to start again as a kid today, maybe I would have gone into DNA stuff >>> and design my own Dinos.. Or president ;-) >>> This US one needs a make-over! >> >> Yuck. Pretty pictures from machines called television >> sets and radios that are not actually true. > > ? Hmm. I am thinking that an exaggeration is a lie. I think that most things on television fall under the category of 'fiction'. > >> I remember back in college however a class where there >> was this biochem professor where there was this cow's >> liver and I am thinking there was centrifugation and >> electrophoresis to get enzymes from it to test the >> dynamics of the enzyme reactions. Some of that stuff >> is cool. > > Your name is x > are you AI? 'x' is a variable that I type into a thunderbird usenet reader. I think it involves one keystroke. Not everything involves only one keystroke nowadays. I am thinking that the 'A' stands for 'artificial'. If I answer 'no' I am arrogant. I can only guess that I am human. >
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