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| From | Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics, sci.electronics.design |
| Subject | Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider |
| Date | 2026-03-30 05:31 +0000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <10qd1rf$26cu8$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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>x <x@x.net>wrote: >>On 3/29/26 06:30, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>> x <x@x.net>wrote: >>>> On 3/28/26 23:05, Bill Sloman wrote: >>>> On 27/03/2026 7:51 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>> x <x@x.net>wrote: >>>>>>> On 3/21/26 23:44, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>>>> john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2026 13:33:36 -0700, x <x@x.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 3/21/26 00:05, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Physicists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN’s Large >>>>>>>>>> Hadron Collider >>>>>>>>>> CERN scientists have discovered a long-predicted heavy cousin of >>>>>>>>>> the proton, finally solving a 20-year mystery. >>>>>>>>>> Date: >>>>>>>>>> March 19, 2026 >>>>>>>>>> Source: >>>>>>>>>> University of Manchester >>>>>>>>>> Summary: >>>>>>>>>> A new subatomic particle known as the ?cc? (Xi-cc-plus) >>>>>>>>>> has been discovered at CERN’s Large Hadron Collider. >>>>>>>>>> This heavy proton-like particle contains two charm quarks and >>>>>>>>>> was detected using the upgraded LHCb experiment. >>>>>>>>>> Scientists observed it through its decay into lighter >>>>>>>>>> particles in high-energy collisions. >>>>>>>>>> The finding confirms predictions and settles a decades-long >>>>>>>>>> question about its existence. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Link: >>>>>>>>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/03/260319005106.htm >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just double checking. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In the science fiction story Lexxx, the Earth was >>>>>>>>> destroyed by the superconducting supercollider in >>>>>>>>> Texas, and not CERN. That is correct? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But the SSC was never built. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They did finish the helium plant in Waxahachie. We supplied the cryo >>>>>>>> instrumentation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nice. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was thinking with ever more knowledge of ever smaller particles >>>>>>> will we see chips that use interactions of those? >>>>>>> I mean we are now into electrons and holes, but go an order of >>>>>>> magnitude smaller, more on a chip. >>>>>>> OTOH when you look at large colliders, to me is like shooting 2 >>>>>>> Tesla cars at each other at supersonic speed. >>>>>>> Sure, you may find some bolts and nuts, but will you ever figure out >>>>>>> the inside of the chips in auto-pilot and their >>>>>>> programming? >>>>>>> You will find all sorts of shrapnel though... >>>>>>> I really have no clue as to what 'quarks' exactly are, just math >>>>>>> ideas?. >>>>>>> So: >>>>>>> " >>>>>>> If you cannot do it with those small particles on the desktop >>>>>>> then you will not be able to do it in a machine the size of the >>>>>>> Universe. >>>>>> >>>>>> When it comes to computers, I am thinking that the 'Heisenberg >>>>>> uncertainty principle' is not really wanted. Yes there is 'on' >>>>>> and there is 'off' in logic gates like 'flip flops' but you >>>>>> do not want them jumping back and forth between the two. You >>>>>> want a '1' to remain a '1' and a '0' to remain a '0' until >>>>>> a read-write or chip select signal is to be sent and only at >>>>>> that time can you set a '1' to a '0' or a '0' to a '1'. There >>>>>> is also 'dynamic RAM', 'flash drives', and other phenomena but >>>>>> the general idea is that you do not want random '1's and '0's >>>>>> to appear except when a read-write is happening. >>>>>> >>>>>> As for 'quarks' I am thinking there is supposed to be a 'strong >>>>>> force'. In general the 'nucleus' of 'atoms' is supposed to have >>>>>> certain 'charged' materials in them called 'protons'. These >>>>>> 'protons' are all supposed to have a 'positive' electric charge >>>>>> that repels each other. The 'strong force' is supposed to be >>>>>> a strong force that holds all of those 'protons' together in >>>>>> a 'nucleus'. Then there is a 'weak force'. The 'weak' force >>>>>> is often much 'weaker' than the 'strong force' in a lot of >>>>>> circumstances. In general, it allows the interconversion of >>>>>> 'protons' into 'neutrons' and 'neutrons' into 'protons' >>>>>> (also involving a 'little neutral one' in the process some times >>>>>> called a 'neutrino'). >>>>>> >>>>>> As for 'quarks' I am thinking it has to do with the phenomena >>>>>> involved with building of 'protons' and 'neutrons' and not just >>>>>> 'electrons' and 'positrons'. Then of course there is that >>>>>> ancient Carl Sagan's 'can you know a grain of salt'? Well, >>>>>> it might be difficult to memorize all of the specific positions >>>>>> of every sodium and chlorine atom in a grain of salt. Can you >>>>>> simplify, however? The 'sodium' and 'chlorine' atoms in a >>>>>> 'crystal' might have certain relations with respect to each >>>>>> other? It might be possible to simplify. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then of course there is 'Broca's Brain'. In it there was >>>>>> speculation. Could one read the positions of 'neurons' >>>>>> with respect to each other in a preserved 'brain'? If so >>>>>> one might be able to 'read' the 'information' in the >>>>>> preserved brain, simulate how those interactions of 'neurons' >>>>>> might have gone on when the 'brain' was alive, and then in >>>>>> a limited sense that 'person' might 'live again' in the >>>>>> simulated world. >>>>>> >>>>>> I guess he has a web page on Wikipedia. It seems that he >>>>>> died in Paris, France in 1880 age 56. >>>>> >>>>> If I was a brain cell and had to remember things, a lot of things, I >>>>> would store it locally in DNA or RNA >>>>> Nature is very efficient, >>>>> >>>>> Maybe one day we can transfer 'wisdom' by a simple copy of DNA / RNA >>>>> Like nature does :-) >>>> >>>> It doesn't. If you wanted to copy memories you'd have to copy a whole >>>> set of DNA molecules and the way they were interconnected. >>>> >>>> Nature transfer instincts via heritable DNA, but that's much more basic >>>> stuff than wisdom. >>> >>> Totally disconnected from reality. That is not how the brain >>> works. The brain stores information by changing the nature >>> of the interconnections between the nerve cells. They change >>> them based upon whether the nerve cells fire or do not fire, >>> and that can be based at least somewhat on sensation from >>> the environment. The DNA and RNA code for proteins that >>> do that when the cells fire. It is pretty much the same >>> DNA/RNA for humans and animals. The uniqueness of our >>> thoughts and memories have to do with the specific >>> connections between the nerve cel >> >> That is the old view / model. >> done some coding with that model. >> It raises the question if 'nerve cells' apart from building bias >> also store the signals in time and amplitude and chemical composition >> There is more than an electric signal between brain nerve cells, >> actually there is a chemical transport that may contain different things >> Humans will find out if not already did. > >Yea there are various levels of knowledge on >many subjects. I am thinking that when I comes >to microscopy of the nervous system I once >took a class. on various subjects. I am thinking >that when nerve cells are often studied the >tissue is first exchanged with organic solvents, >and then wax. Then the wax is cut into slices. >Then the slices are placed on slides and the >wax is re-exchanged with organic solvents. > >I have also, to the best of my recollection >not made a diary entry for either today or >yesterday. > >Sorry. No problem There are every now and then nice papers referenced from https://www.sciencedaily.com/ I once worked in the chemical lab of a big university hospital for a while. All sorts of cool equipment, from mass spectrometers to DNA research related and interesting things the students came up with for their projects, help design electronics for those. Had to keep the equipment running or fix stuff if needed, But I am no chemical genius like Bill. If I had to start again as a kid today, maybe I would have gone into DNA stuff and design my own Dinos.. Or president ;-) This US one needs a make-over!
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Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-21 07:05 +0000
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider x <x@x.net> - 2026-03-21 13:33 -0700
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-21 17:41 -0700
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-22 06:44 +0000
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-03-24 20:24 +0000
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider x <x@x.net> - 2026-03-25 02:31 -0700
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-27 08:51 +0000
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-29 17:05 +1100
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-29 07:03 +0000
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-03-29 10:51 +0100
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider x <x@x.net> - 2026-03-29 06:00 -0700
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-29 13:30 +0000
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider x <x@x.net> - 2026-03-29 11:23 -0700
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-03-29 20:32 +0100
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-30 05:31 +0000
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider x <x@x.net> - 2026-03-30 01:37 -0700
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-30 09:06 +0000
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider x <x@x.net> - 2026-03-30 02:41 -0700
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-30 14:27 +0000
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider x3 <x@x.net> - 2026-03-30 23:44 -0700
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider x3 <x@x.net> - 2026-03-31 00:45 -0700
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-31 01:55 +1100
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-31 14:24 +0000
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-01 16:37 +1100
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-04-01 06:50 +0000
Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-02 03:07 +1100
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Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-01 16:39 +1100
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