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| From | x <x@x.net> |
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| Newsgroups | sci.physics, sci.electronics.design |
| Subject | Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider |
| Date | 2026-03-30 01:37 -0700 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <10qdcon$293d7$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 3/29/26 22:31, Jan Panteltje wrote: >> x <x@x.net>wrote: >>> On 3/29/26 06:30, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>> x <x@x.net>wrote: >>>>> On 3/28/26 23:05, Bill Sloman wrote: >>>>> On 27/03/2026 7:51 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>>> x <x@x.net>wrote: >>>>>>>> On 3/21/26 23:44, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>>>>> john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2026 13:33:36 -0700, x <x@x.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 3/21/26 00:05, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Physicists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN’s Large >>>>>>>>>>> Hadron Collider >>>>>>>>>>> CERN scientists have discovered a long-predicted heavy cousin of >>>>>>>>>>> the proton, finally solving a 20-year mystery. >>>>>>>>>>> Date: >>>>>>>>>>> March 19, 2026 >>>>>>>>>>> Source: >>>>>>>>>>> University of Manchester >>>>>>>>>>> Summary: >>>>>>>>>>> A new subatomic particle known as the ?cc? (Xi-cc-plus) >>>>>>>>>>> has been discovered at CERN’s Large Hadron Collider. >>>>>>>>>>> This heavy proton-like particle contains two charm quarks and >>>>>>>>>>> was detected using the upgraded LHCb experiment. >>>>>>>>>>> Scientists observed it through its decay into lighter >>>>>>>>>>> particles in high-energy collisions. >>>>>>>>>>> The finding confirms predictions and settles a decades-long >>>>>>>>>>> question about its existence. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Link: >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/03/260319005106.htm >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just double checking. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In the science fiction story Lexxx, the Earth was >>>>>>>>>> destroyed by the superconducting supercollider in >>>>>>>>>> Texas, and not CERN. That is correct? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But the SSC was never built. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They did finish the helium plant in Waxahachie. We supplied the cryo >>>>>>>>> instrumentation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nice. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was thinking with ever more knowledge of ever smaller particles >>>>>>>> will we see chips that use interactions of those? >>>>>>>> I mean we are now into electrons and holes, but go an order of >>>>>>>> magnitude smaller, more on a chip. >>>>>>>> OTOH when you look at large colliders, to me is like shooting 2 >>>>>>>> Tesla cars at each other at supersonic speed. >>>>>>>> Sure, you may find some bolts and nuts, but will you ever figure out >>>>>>>> the inside of the chips in auto-pilot and their >>>>>>>> programming? >>>>>>>> You will find all sorts of shrapnel though... >>>>>>>> I really have no clue as to what 'quarks' exactly are, just math >>>>>>>> ideas?. >>>>>>>> So: >>>>>>>> " >>>>>>>> If you cannot do it with those small particles on the desktop >>>>>>>> then you will not be able to do it in a machine the size of the >>>>>>>> Universe. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When it comes to computers, I am thinking that the 'Heisenberg >>>>>>> uncertainty principle' is not really wanted. Yes there is 'on' >>>>>>> and there is 'off' in logic gates like 'flip flops' but you >>>>>>> do not want them jumping back and forth between the two. You >>>>>>> want a '1' to remain a '1' and a '0' to remain a '0' until >>>>>>> a read-write or chip select signal is to be sent and only at >>>>>>> that time can you set a '1' to a '0' or a '0' to a '1'. There >>>>>>> is also 'dynamic RAM', 'flash drives', and other phenomena but >>>>>>> the general idea is that you do not want random '1's and '0's >>>>>>> to appear except when a read-write is happening. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for 'quarks' I am thinking there is supposed to be a 'strong >>>>>>> force'. In general the 'nucleus' of 'atoms' is supposed to have >>>>>>> certain 'charged' materials in them called 'protons'. These >>>>>>> 'protons' are all supposed to have a 'positive' electric charge >>>>>>> that repels each other. The 'strong force' is supposed to be >>>>>>> a strong force that holds all of those 'protons' together in >>>>>>> a 'nucleus'. Then there is a 'weak force'. The 'weak' force >>>>>>> is often much 'weaker' than the 'strong force' in a lot of >>>>>>> circumstances. In general, it allows the interconversion of >>>>>>> 'protons' into 'neutrons' and 'neutrons' into 'protons' >>>>>>> (also involving a 'little neutral one' in the process some times >>>>>>> called a 'neutrino'). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for 'quarks' I am thinking it has to do with the phenomena >>>>>>> involved with building of 'protons' and 'neutrons' and not just >>>>>>> 'electrons' and 'positrons'. Then of course there is that >>>>>>> ancient Carl Sagan's 'can you know a grain of salt'? Well, >>>>>>> it might be difficult to memorize all of the specific positions >>>>>>> of every sodium and chlorine atom in a grain of salt. Can you >>>>>>> simplify, however? The 'sodium' and 'chlorine' atoms in a >>>>>>> 'crystal' might have certain relations with respect to each >>>>>>> other? It might be possible to simplify. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then of course there is 'Broca's Brain'. In it there was >>>>>>> speculation. Could one read the positions of 'neurons' >>>>>>> with respect to each other in a preserved 'brain'? If so >>>>>>> one might be able to 'read' the 'information' in the >>>>>>> preserved brain, simulate how those interactions of 'neurons' >>>>>>> might have gone on when the 'brain' was alive, and then in >>>>>>> a limited sense that 'person' might 'live again' in the >>>>>>> simulated world. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I guess he has a web page on Wikipedia. It seems that he >>>>>>> died in Paris, France in 1880 age 56. >>>>>> >>>>>> If I was a brain cell and had to remember things, a lot of things, I >>>>>> would store it locally in DNA or RNA >>>>>> Nature is very efficient, >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe one day we can transfer 'wisdom' by a simple copy of DNA / RNA >>>>>> Like nature does :-) >>>>> >>>>> It doesn't. If you wanted to copy memories you'd have to copy a whole >>>>> set of DNA molecules and the way they were interconnected. >>>>> >>>>> Nature transfer instincts via heritable DNA, but that's much more basic >>>>> stuff than wisdom. >>>> >>>> Totally disconnected from reality. That is not how the brain >>>> works. The brain stores information by changing the nature >>>> of the interconnections between the nerve cells. They change >>>> them based upon whether the nerve cells fire or do not fire, >>>> and that can be based at least somewhat on sensation from >>>> the environment. The DNA and RNA code for proteins that >>>> do that when the cells fire. It is pretty much the same >>>> DNA/RNA for humans and animals. The uniqueness of our >>>> thoughts and memories have to do with the specific >>>> connections between the nerve cel >>> >>> That is the old view / model. >>> done some coding with that model. >>> It raises the question if 'nerve cells' apart from building bias >>> also store the signals in time and amplitude and chemical composition >>> There is more than an electric signal between brain nerve cells, >>> actually there is a chemical transport that may contain different things >>> Humans will find out if not already did. >> >> Yea there are various levels of knowledge on >> many subjects. I am thinking that when I comes >> to microscopy of the nervous system I once >> took a class. on various subjects. I am thinking >> that when nerve cells are often studied the >> tissue is first exchanged with organic solvents, >> and then wax. Then the wax is cut into slices. >> Then the slices are placed on slides and the >> wax is re-exchanged with organic solvents. >> >> I have also, to the best of my recollection >> not made a diary entry for either today or >> yesterday. >> >> Sorry. > > No problem > There are every now and then nice papers referenced from https://www.sciencedaily.com/ > I once worked in the chemical lab of a big university hospital for a while. > All sorts of cool equipment, from mass spectrometers to DNA research related > and interesting things the students came up with for their projects, > help design electronics for those. > Had to keep the equipment running or fix stuff if needed, > > But I am no chemical genius like Bill. > > If I had to start again as a kid today, maybe I would have gone into DNA stuff > and design my own Dinos.. Or president ;-) > This US one needs a make-over! Yuck. Pretty pictures from machines called television sets and radios that are not actually true. I remember back in college however a class where there was this biochem professor where there was this cow's liver and I am thinking there was centrifugation and electrophoresis to get enzymes from it to test the dynamics of the enzyme reactions. Some of that stuff is cool.
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Re: Physisists discover a heavy cousin of the proton at CERN's Large Hadron Collider x <x@x.net> - 2026-03-21 13:33 -0700
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