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| From | Moses <moses.mason@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | news.groups.proposals |
| Subject | Re: RfD: Rationalization of talk.* |
| Date | 2026-05-18 02:31 -0400 |
| Organization | BWH Usenet Archive (https://usenet.blueworldhosting.com) |
| Message-ID | <86fr3pjvmt.fsf@gmail.com> (permalink) |
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The Big-8 hierarchies are still the first thing many servers
carry by default, and for many users they remain the public
face of Usenet.
Also, nobody is proposing “a few dozen topics”. The issue
here is whether keeping thousands of groups actually helps Usenet.
Usenet has always evolved. Groups have been created, reorganized, merged, and removed for decades. That is not “turning Usenet into a private forum”; that is normal maintenance.
And honestly, telling people to “start their own server” ignores how federation works in practice. Fragmentation makes discovery and participation harder, especially for newer users. A reasonably maintained shared hierarchy still has value.
>>>>> "noel" == noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> writes:
noel> On Sun, 10 May 2026 13:20:00 -0400, Koen Martens wrote:
>> I'm a bit late to the discussion, but my 2 cents
>> anyway: I'd be much more interested in a living
>> usenet rather then a usenet full of tombstones and
>> ancient threads. I do agree that old threads might be
>> interesting for an historical perspective, but maybe
>> a museum is a better place for those?
>>
>> If there is interest in preserving the old and
>> ancient, one could
noel> set up
>> an online archive of sorts.
>>
>> I'm trying to get back into usenet after 20+ years of
>> absence, and having to wade through endless lists of
>> dead newsgroups or groups
noel> that
>> seem interesting but are just full of spam or this
>> one person
noel> posting
>> nonsense daily is just reinforcing the image many
>> have that usenet
noel> is
>> dead and has been for decades.
>>
noel> Anyone who thinks culling a thousand groups that
noel> are under the big8's control is going to make any
noel> difference at all is falling for their fake
noel> propoganda appearances, given there are tens of
noel> thousands of groups not under their control and
noel> have absoluately zero say over - its almost to the
noel> point where the big8 is irrelevant these days
noel> anyway, but if some want to turn usenet into their
noel> own private forum with a few dozen areas topics,
noel> well start their own server up and go hard...
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Re: RfD: Rationalization of talk.* The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 08:13 -0400
Re: RfD: Rationalization of talk.* Moses <moses.mason@gmail.com> - 2026-05-18 02:31 -0400
Re: RfD: Rationalization of talk.* noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> - 2026-05-11 07:29 -0400
Re: RfD: Rationalization of talk.* Moses <moses.mason@gmail.com> - 2026-05-18 02:31 -0400
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Re: RfD: Rationalization of talk.* The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> - 2026-05-14 23:12 -0400
Re: RfD: Rationalization of talk.* gmc@metro.cx (Koen Martens) - 2026-05-15 04:39 -0400
Re: RfD: Rationalization of talk.* noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> - 2026-05-15 11:21 -0400
Re: RfD: Rationalization of talk.* The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> - 2026-05-15 11:22 -0400
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Re: RfD: Rationalization of talk.* Moses <moses.mason@gmail.com> - 2026-05-18 02:31 -0400
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Re: RfD: Rationalization of talk.* Moses <moses.mason@gmail.com> - 2026-05-18 02:31 -0400
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Re: RfD: Rationalization of talk.* Moses <moses.mason@gmail.com> - 2026-05-19 06:01 -0400
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Re: RfD: Rationalization of talk.* Moses <moses.mason@gmail.com> - 2026-05-18 02:31 -0400
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