Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages

From	Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.kernel, linux.debian.security, linux.debian.maint.boot, linux.debian.devel.release
Subject	Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages
Date	2023-10-26 14:00 +0200
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On Thu, Oct 05, 2023 at 07:59:54AM -0600, Sam Hartman wrote:
> I think that's what you mean by the first-level error.
> If not, I'm still confused.
> In the second level error case you are talking about is:

No, the first level is always: but the new kernel does not work.
The second is: I need to upgrade external modules.

> I think what you are saying is that
> 
> 1) the current system is fragile: sometimes you want a kernel headers
> that is not available and sometimes you have version skew between the
> kernel headers and kernel even though you have both installed.
> 
> 2) In your system, fewer things are possible, but the combination that
> is possible is more likely to work.

Yes.

> And I think people's response is that
> they care enough about some of the things you are breaking that they are
> willing to accept the fragility.

For now it looks like a better solution is to just create more meta
packages and accept that they become uninstallable from time to time.

In the future we might want to split off the modules into it's own
package anyway.  That will then allow
- a different image package containing prebuilt UKI,
- a different modules package to replace the special cloud flavours.

Regards,
Bastian

-- 
Without facts, the decision cannot be made logically.  You must rely on
your human intuition.
		-- Spock, "Assignment: Earth", stardate unknown

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Bug#1040901: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2023-09-24 15:10 +0200
  Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Andreas Beckmann <anbe@debian.org> - 2023-09-24 23:20 +0200
    Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2023-09-25 01:10 +0200
      Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Andreas Beckmann <anbe@debian.org> - 2023-09-25 04:40 +0200
        Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2023-10-01 12:10 +0200
          Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> - 2023-10-01 12:20 +0200
            Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2023-10-01 13:50 +0200
              Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> - 2023-10-01 16:40 +0200
          Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2023-10-03 16:40 +0200
            Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages herve <herve@couvelard.com> - 2023-10-03 17:30 +0200
              Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2023-10-03 19:10 +0200
                Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages herve <herve@couvelard.com> - 2023-10-03 20:40 +0200
            Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2023-10-03 19:50 +0200
              Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2023-10-03 22:00 +0200
                Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Robert Nelson <robertcnelson@gmail.com> - 2023-10-03 22:10 +0200
                Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2023-10-05 08:30 +0200
                Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2023-10-05 16:10 +0200
                Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-10-05 17:30 +0200
                Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2023-10-26 14:00 +0200
              Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Andreas Beckmann <anbe@debian.org> - 2023-10-04 00:00 +0200
                Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2023-10-05 08:10 +0200
  Bug#1040901: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2023-10-05 21:30 +0200
  Bug#1040901: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2023-10-07 17:00 +0200
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