Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages

From	Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.security, linux.debian.kernel, linux.debian.maint.boot, linux.debian.devel.release
Subject	Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages
Date	2023-10-03 19:50 +0200
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Hi Sam

On Tue, Oct 03, 2023 at 08:31:57AM -0600, Sam Hartman wrote:
> I still think it would help if you would work more on articulating what
> problem you are trying to solve with the linux-headers versioning
> change.  I have read multiple versions of this proposal, and your
> follow-ups, and I still do not understand what is prompting the
> linux-headers change.

The core problem is that people assume they can get headers matching the
currently running kernel, without upgrading first, see also the parallel
thread.  Or freak out because meta packages remain uninstallable in
backports for days.

With this plan you can only get the correct ones by using something
I think like:

| apt satisfy 'linux-headers (= $(uname -r))'

There is somewhere again a maybe possible plan to get meta packages in
place that actually support the case of always providing the headers to
the installed (not running!) kernel.

Then we need to use the same versioning anyway again.  In the end I
don't really care, but we need then a way to fix the version skew
between the different source package for the kernel.  Aka either redo
larger parts of the linux package (which can never fix it completely),
plus gcc or we change how backports works.

> My intuition mirrors others in the conversation that it is problematic
> to support multiple kernel versions without also supporting multiple
> header versions.

Usually you try to guard against one error.  Noone claimed that we can't
work with one error.  All the other conversations already have to argue
with two errors at the same time.  When should we stop then?

Regards,
Bastian

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Bug#1040901: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2023-09-24 15:10 +0200
  Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Andreas Beckmann <anbe@debian.org> - 2023-09-24 23:20 +0200
    Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2023-09-25 01:10 +0200
      Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Andreas Beckmann <anbe@debian.org> - 2023-09-25 04:40 +0200
        Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2023-10-01 12:10 +0200
          Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> - 2023-10-01 12:20 +0200
            Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2023-10-01 13:50 +0200
              Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> - 2023-10-01 16:40 +0200
          Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2023-10-03 16:40 +0200
            Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages herve <herve@couvelard.com> - 2023-10-03 17:30 +0200
              Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2023-10-03 19:10 +0200
                Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages herve <herve@couvelard.com> - 2023-10-03 20:40 +0200
            Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2023-10-03 19:50 +0200
              Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2023-10-03 22:00 +0200
                Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Robert Nelson <robertcnelson@gmail.com> - 2023-10-03 22:10 +0200
                Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2023-10-05 08:30 +0200
                Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2023-10-05 16:10 +0200
                Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-10-05 17:30 +0200
                Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2023-10-26 14:00 +0200
              Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Andreas Beckmann <anbe@debian.org> - 2023-10-04 00:00 +0200
                Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2023-10-05 08:10 +0200
  Bug#1040901: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2023-10-05 21:30 +0200
  Bug#1040901: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2023-10-07 17:00 +0200
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