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Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian

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From Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com>
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Subject Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian
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Dear Pascal,
I have a question. I'm trying to build Tycho, and all pom's  refer to
the "packaging eclipse-plugin". What is this? Offline Maven gives error
"Unknown packaging: eclipse-plugin". I suppose its source code is
somewhere else outside Tycho.


Il 21/10/2015 03:46, Pascal Rapicault ha scritto:
> Hi,
>
> I'm from the Eclipse community. I've been involved with Eclipse for
> over 10y where I've contributed to the previous build mechanism and to
> the Tycho based one. If you need, I can help shed some light on the
> why of things so you can save time navigating this by yourself.
> That said, I'm not familiar with the way fedora have done things (but
> I know one of the maintainer of the Eclipse build there if we need
> more details), though I assume they probably have to first white list
> a number of bundles to bootstrap tycho, then build the pieces
> originally white listed, and finally rebuild tycho and continue on.
>
> HTH
>
> Pascal
>
> On 15-10-20 01:06 PM, Markus Koschany wrote:
>> Am 20.10.2015 um 12:58 schrieb Luca Vercelli:
>>> I am not an expert with mh_make, however I see a problem here.
>>> Eclipse build depends on Tycho, however Tycho build depends on both
>>> Eclipse and Tycho itself!
>> Indeed that is nasty. But it looks like the Fedora maintainers have
>> solved this issue too. [1] We need to do something similar for Debian to
>> break this circular dependency.
>>
>>> So, two problems:
>>> (1) mh_make fails for both projects.
>>> Markus, can you explain me how were you able to build the base
>>> structure
>>> of Eclipse without mh_make? I should do the same with Tycho.
>> mh_make often chokes on bigger projects with a lot of unpackaged
>> dependencies. I simply ignored as many dependencies as I could and you
>> can find the end result in maven.rules and maven.ignoreRules. Then I
>> used the current packaging for Eclipse as a template. It should be
>> sufficient to start with a minimal debian/rules files. In the first
>> phase we only have to modify the maven.* files and debian/control. For
>> Tycho you can basically do the same.
>>
>> If you can answer the question why mh_make fails with Tycho, you will
>> know what dependency we should package first. Just let me know what
>> dependencies we need for Tycho and I can lend you a hand.
>>
>>
>>> (2) How to build everything?
>>> Fedora packagers were able to build just a tiny part of Tycho (a
>>> "bootstrap"), then a tiny part of Eclipse, then Tycho, and at last
>>> Eclipse. What about Debian?
>> AFAIK they provide different build options. The bootstrap is one of them
>> but otherwise Eclipse and Tycho build-depend on each other. I don't know
>> how to solve this properly yet but I expect we will end up with doing
>> something similar. Remember that the optimization step is always the
>> last part, so feel free to solve this issue with the least amount of
>> effort.
>>
>> Markus
>>
>>
>> [1] http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/tycho.git/tree/
>>
>

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Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2015-10-09 18:50 +0200
  Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de> - 2015-10-09 19:30 +0200
    Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2015-10-10 09:00 +0200
      Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2015-10-10 09:10 +0200
      Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de> - 2015-10-10 11:40 +0200
        Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2015-10-13 09:50 +0200
          Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2015-10-13 09:50 +0200
    Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 15:10 +0200
      Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de> - 2015-10-17 17:10 +0200
        Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de> - 2015-10-18 17:50 +0200
          Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2015-10-20 13:00 +0200
            Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de> - 2015-10-20 19:10 +0200
              Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Pascal Rapicault <pascal@rapicorp.com> - 2015-10-21 03:50 +0200
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2015-10-25 22:20 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Pascal Rapicault <pascal@rapicorp.com> - 2015-10-27 01:30 +0100
              Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 21:00 +0200
              Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 13:30 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:50 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de> - 2015-10-31 16:40 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Pascal Rapicault <pascal@rapicorp.com> - 2015-11-02 08:50 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Michael Tautschnig <mt@debian.org> - 2015-10-31 15:50 +0100
              Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de> - 2015-11-10 20:00 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Mikołaj Izdebski <zurgunt@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 23:30 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2015-11-11 00:40 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Mikołaj Izdebski <zurgunt@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 01:10 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de> - 2015-11-13 19:00 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> - 2015-12-13 22:20 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2016-01-07 13:20 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> - 2016-01-07 13:50 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2016-01-07 15:40 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> - 2016-01-07 16:30 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 08:30 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Christopher Hoskin <christopher.hoskin@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 10:20 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2016-02-16 10:20 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 18:40 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2016-02-16 21:00 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 21:10 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2016-02-17 13:10 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Christopher Hoskin <christopher.hoskin@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 22:10 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 09:30 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 13:40 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> - 2016-02-29 13:40 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 15:00 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Christopher Hoskin <christopher.hoskin@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 00:20 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 09:40 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 10:30 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Christopher Hoskin <christopher.hoskin@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 11:30 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 18:40 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2016-02-29 14:10 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2016-02-29 14:10 +0100

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