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Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian

From	Pascal Rapicault <pascal@rapicorp.com>
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Subject	Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian
Date	2015-10-21 03:50 +0200
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Hi,

I'm from the Eclipse community. I've been involved with Eclipse for over 
10y where I've contributed to the previous build mechanism and to the 
Tycho based one. If you need, I can help shed some light on the why of 
things so you can save time navigating this by yourself.
That said, I'm not familiar with the way fedora have done things (but I 
know one of the maintainer of the Eclipse build there if we need more 
details), though I assume they probably have to first white list a 
number of bundles to bootstrap tycho, then build the pieces originally 
white listed, and finally rebuild tycho and continue on.

HTH

Pascal

On 15-10-20 01:06 PM, Markus Koschany wrote:
> Am 20.10.2015 um 12:58 schrieb Luca Vercelli:
>> I am not an expert with mh_make, however I see a problem here.
>> Eclipse build depends on Tycho, however Tycho build depends on both
>> Eclipse and Tycho itself!
> Indeed that is nasty. But it looks like the Fedora maintainers have
> solved this issue too. [1] We need to do something similar for Debian to
> break this circular dependency.
>
>> So, two problems:
>> (1) mh_make fails for both projects.
>> Markus, can you explain me how were you able to build the base structure
>> of Eclipse without mh_make? I should do the same with Tycho.
> mh_make often chokes on bigger projects with a lot of unpackaged
> dependencies. I simply ignored as many dependencies as I could and you
> can find the end result in maven.rules and maven.ignoreRules. Then I
> used the current packaging for Eclipse as a template. It should be
> sufficient to start with a minimal debian/rules files. In the first
> phase we only have to modify the maven.* files and debian/control. For
> Tycho you can basically do the same.
>
> If you can answer the question why mh_make fails with Tycho, you will
> know what dependency we should package first. Just let me know what
> dependencies we need for Tycho and I can lend you a hand.
>
>
>> (2) How to build everything?
>> Fedora packagers were able to build just a tiny part of Tycho (a
>> "bootstrap"), then a tiny part of Eclipse, then Tycho, and at last
>> Eclipse. What about Debian?
> AFAIK they provide different build options. The bootstrap is one of them
> but otherwise Eclipse and Tycho build-depend on each other. I don't know
> how to solve this properly yet but I expect we will end up with doing
> something similar. Remember that the optimization step is always the
> last part, so feel free to solve this issue with the least amount of effort.
>
> Markus
>
>
> [1] http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/tycho.git/tree/
>

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Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2015-10-09 18:50 +0200
  Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de> - 2015-10-09 19:30 +0200
    Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2015-10-10 09:00 +0200
      Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2015-10-10 09:10 +0200
      Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de> - 2015-10-10 11:40 +0200
        Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2015-10-13 09:50 +0200
          Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2015-10-13 09:50 +0200
    Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 15:10 +0200
      Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de> - 2015-10-17 17:10 +0200
        Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de> - 2015-10-18 17:50 +0200
          Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2015-10-20 13:00 +0200
            Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de> - 2015-10-20 19:10 +0200
              Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Pascal Rapicault <pascal@rapicorp.com> - 2015-10-21 03:50 +0200
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2015-10-25 22:20 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Pascal Rapicault <pascal@rapicorp.com> - 2015-10-27 01:30 +0100
              Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 21:00 +0200
              Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 13:30 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:50 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de> - 2015-10-31 16:40 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Pascal Rapicault <pascal@rapicorp.com> - 2015-11-02 08:50 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Michael Tautschnig <mt@debian.org> - 2015-10-31 15:50 +0100
              Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de> - 2015-11-10 20:00 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Mikołaj Izdebski <zurgunt@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 23:30 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2015-11-11 00:40 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Mikołaj Izdebski <zurgunt@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 01:10 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de> - 2015-11-13 19:00 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> - 2015-12-13 22:20 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2016-01-07 13:20 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> - 2016-01-07 13:50 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2016-01-07 15:40 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> - 2016-01-07 16:30 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 08:30 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Christopher Hoskin <christopher.hoskin@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 10:20 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2016-02-16 10:20 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 18:40 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2016-02-16 21:00 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 21:10 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2016-02-17 13:10 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Christopher Hoskin <christopher.hoskin@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 22:10 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 09:30 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 13:40 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> - 2016-02-29 13:40 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 15:00 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Christopher Hoskin <christopher.hoskin@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 00:20 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 09:40 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 10:30 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Christopher Hoskin <christopher.hoskin@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 11:30 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Luca Vercelli <luca.vercelli.to@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 18:40 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2016-02-29 14:10 +0100
                Re: plans for eclipse luna in debian Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2016-02-29 14:10 +0100

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