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Re: FYI: I created a Gradle issue for bootstrappable Debian support

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 > But we'll switch to Gradle if necessary in the future.

Typo: I meant Maven.


On 9/27/23 1:01 PM, Sean Gilligan wrote:
> Hi Emmanuel,
>
> FrankenGradle!  That's a great name!
>
> I know it's unlikely they are going to do anything, but I thought 
> there should at least be an up-to-date GitHub Issue for Gradle to look 
> at and for a discussion to hopefully occur.
>
> bitcoinj has franken-build-scripts that use a growing number of 
> conditionals to ensure they run on the latest Gradle as well as 
> FrankenGradle 4.4.x and Gradle 4.10.3 (which is the closest standard 
> version that we can easily use on GitHub CI.)  The scripts have been 
> difficult to maintain but they are currently working and they will 
> suffice through the 0.17 release. They are also supporting JDK 21, so 
> we are definitely OK for now.
>
> We use Debian Docker images for our GitLab CI builds and for our 
> reference build which can be run locally as well. Being Debian Free 
> Software Guidelines compliant is important to us. We would like to 
> eventually see the bitcoinj library, our "wallet-tool" command-line 
> app, and perhaps even a GUI wallet be available as Debian packages.
>
> Thinking longer-term, we have had brief discussions about switching to 
> Maven, but haven't made any serious effort yet. We've been hoping that 
> Gradle will see the light and/or you will make progress even without 
> their support. But we'll switch to Gradle if necessary in the future.
>
> Thanks gain for all your efforts!
>
> -- Sean
>
>
> On 9/26/23 12:19 AM, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
>> Hi Sean,
>>
>> Thank you for your support, I'm glad someone appreciates our 
>> FrankenGradle ;)
>>
>> Gradle is difficult to upgrade in Debian for a variety of reasons. 
>> For one thing it's a huge monolith and thus it's a bit all or 
>> nothing, if one part is missing your are stuck. Maven in comparison 
>> is highly modular and can be upgraded piece by piece. The major pain 
>> point currently is the Kotlin DSL, I wish the core of Gradle would 
>> have remained pure Java/Groovy. And then there is the non-free stuff 
>> like the Gradle enterprise plugin that gets in the way.
>>
>> Addressing these issues in Gradle isn't a trivial task, and I doubt 
>> the bootstrappability is compelling enough to motivate the Gradle 
>> developers to work on it.
>>
>> If this is important for bitcoinj I would suggest switching to 
>> another build tool, either Maven if you have a fairly standard 
>> project structure, or Ant if you need the flexibility of an 
>> imperative build system (and Ant is by far the easiest to bootstrap).
>>
>> Emmanuel Bourg
>>
>>
>> Le 25/09/2023 à 22:17, Sean Gilligan a écrit :
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> I appreciate the efforts of the Debian Java team and know that your 
>>> job is not easy.
>>>
>>> I work on bitcoinj (Java) and we are (for better or worse) using 
>>> Gradle for our builds. We are stuck supporting Gradle 4.4.x, when 
>>> the latest version of Gradle 8.3 (or 8.4) is required to support JDK 
>>> 21 (if you're not using the Debian-patched Gradle, of course.)
>>>
>>> I had thought there was already an issue for this on the Gradle 
>>> GitHub project, but today I couldn't find anything. So I created a 
>>> new one:
>>> https://github.com/gradle/gradle/issues/26516
>>>
>>> I thought I would share that with you for reference purposes. Or 
>>> maybe someone might want to comment on the issue, especially if 
>>> anyone from Gradle responds or asks questions.
>>>
>>> I'm hoping that priorities at Gradle may be changing now that 
>>> supply-chain security has become a more visible issue in the 
>>> industry. (Yes, I'll admit to being an optimist.)
>>>
>>> Anyway, thanks for your efforts. We do appreciate them.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>>> p.s. If you're interested in how we are dealing with this at 
>>> bitcoinj, I created an issue there as well:
>>> https://github.com/bitcoinj/bitcoinj/issues/3287
>>>
>>
>

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FYI: I created a Gradle issue for bootstrappable Debian support Sean Gilligan <sean@msgilligan.com> - 2023-09-25 22:20 +0200
  Re: FYI: I created a Gradle issue for bootstrappable Debian support Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2023-09-26 09:30 +0200
    Re: FYI: I created a Gradle issue for bootstrappable Debian support Sean Gilligan <sean@msgilligan.com> - 2023-09-27 22:10 +0200
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