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Re: Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a Thinkpad X11 Carbon Gen12

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Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> writes:
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2026 at 05:55:25PM +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
>>On 13/04/2026 à 15:52, Bjørn Mork wrote:
>>> 
>>> I downloaded
>>> http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz
>>> and UEFI netbooted from it from a tftp/dhcp-server using a realtek USB
>>> ethernet dongle.
>>
>>D-I people will confirm, but I am not sure that netboot archives include
>>firmware files.
>
> Correct - if you need firmware for those too, we have extra archives
> available to add for netboot - see
>
>   https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/firmware/trixie/current/ 
>
>>On the other hand, new users are not expected to install Debian with
>>netboot.
>
> Nod

Well, ok.  So this problem will not affect (most) new users because they
boot from a USB mass storage device, most likely using an an image with
firmware included?  That is relieving.

Would still be nice if firmware dependency detection just worked for
netboot too.  But it's not critical.  Most users will probably need a
recipe for netboot anyway, and the firmware requirement can be included
there.  Maybe it already is?

(netboot has been the most convenient way to boot the installer for a
long time in my opinion. I don't use mass storage devices for anything
else, so I would have to keep one just for the occasional installer use.
But I realise that most users won't see it like that, although they
should.  They probably have some Windows PC or OpenWrt router they could
use as a temporary boot server)



Bjørn

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  Re: Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a Thinkpad  X11 Carbon Gen12 Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2026-04-13 15:00 +0200
    Re: Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a  Thinkpad X11 Carbon Gen12 Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2026-04-13 15:50 +0200
      horribe developer experience to get bug reports while buying bread  (Re: Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a Thinkpad X11  Carbon Gen12) Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2026-04-13 20:40 +0200
  Re: Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a  Thinkpad X11 Carbon Gen12 Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2026-04-13 16:10 +0200
    Re: Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a Thinkpad  X11 Carbon Gen12 Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2026-04-13 18:00 +0200
      Re: Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a Thinkpad  X11 Carbon Gen12 Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2026-04-13 18:40 +0200
        Re: Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a  Thinkpad X11 Carbon Gen12 Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2026-04-13 20:20 +0200
          Re: Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a Thinkpad  X11 Carbon Gen12 Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2026-04-26 20:20 +0200
      Re: Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a  Thinkpad X11 Carbon Gen12 Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2026-04-13 21:10 +0200
    Re: Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a Thinkpad  X11 Carbon Gen12 Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2026-04-13 18:00 +0200

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