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Re: Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a Thinkpad X11 Carbon Gen12

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Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> writes:
> On 13/04/2026 at 12:56, Bjørn Mork wrote:
>> First boot, after what I perceived as a successful install, resulted
>> in
>> a black screen with a frozen cursor on top left.  No response to any key
>> press.  Hard power off was the only way out.
>> Booting in recovery mode and installing firmware-intel-graphics
>> fixed
>> the problem.
>
> This looks like a kernel driver bug. The system should not crash if
> some required firmware is missing.

Sure.  But it will. Because no one ever tests this.  It's not an
interesting use case for anyone writing a driver.

This bug might ave been there for a long time, and it might never
disappear.  Who should report it? Even if I had first hand experience
with it, I still don't have any useful logs to provide.  Debugging gpu
issues locking up the system is non-trivial since the primary console is
dead. I considered netconsole, but didn't go there since I had a strict
time limit and it wasn't my laptop.

>> This is NOT a question about non-free firmware blobs.  I'm fine with
>> asking users to explictly install those.  The problem is that there was
>> no such question, and the system was so broken without the firmware that
>> most users are unable to make that choice even if they knew about it.
>
> Which question should be asked ?

Do you want to install the firmware this laptop needs for wifi, sound
and gpu?

> By default, the installer (precisely the hw-detect component) tries to
> find out which firmware packages are needed based on device modalias
> and install them automatically. Installer logs in /var/log/installer
> may provide information about why this failed.

Don't have access to the laptop anymore, unfortunately. So I can't check
the logs.  But it's good to know that it was supposed to install those
packages.



Bjørn

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Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a Thinkpad  X11 Carbon Gen12 Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2026-04-13 13:30 +0200
  Re: Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a Thinkpad  X11 Carbon Gen12 Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2026-04-13 15:00 +0200
    Re: Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a  Thinkpad X11 Carbon Gen12 Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2026-04-13 15:50 +0200
      horribe developer experience to get bug reports while buying bread  (Re: Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a Thinkpad X11  Carbon Gen12) Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2026-04-13 20:40 +0200
  Re: Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a  Thinkpad X11 Carbon Gen12 Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2026-04-13 16:10 +0200
    Re: Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a Thinkpad  X11 Carbon Gen12 Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2026-04-13 18:00 +0200
      Re: Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a Thinkpad  X11 Carbon Gen12 Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2026-04-13 18:40 +0200
        Re: Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a  Thinkpad X11 Carbon Gen12 Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2026-04-13 20:20 +0200
          Re: Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a Thinkpad  X11 Carbon Gen12 Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2026-04-26 20:20 +0200
      Re: Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a  Thinkpad X11 Carbon Gen12 Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2026-04-13 21:10 +0200
    Re: Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a Thinkpad  X11 Carbon Gen12 Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2026-04-13 18:00 +0200

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