Re: Barriers between packages and other people

From	Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.devel
Subject	Re: Barriers between packages and other people
Date	2024-12-22 18:00 +0100
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* Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> [241222 10:15]:
> On Sun, Dec 22, 2024 at 07:26:15AM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> > >> Uploads to the archive are not irreversible. You can just as well
> > >> upload a new version reverting whatever was done.
> > 
> > >> Please everybody stop treating the archive as the holy thing that
> > >> only blessed maintainers can touch. This stance helps nobody.
> > >> ITS solely for QA work is in the same boat of wrong. Just NMU.
> > 
> > > Yes, quite.  Integers are cheap, and these are not uploads directly to
> > > stable.  We can always just upload again.
> > 
> > Uploading to unstable makes changes user-visible, that is a enormous
> > difference to a GIT commit. Also nowadays we consider unstable as
> > staging ground for our next release, we have gone away from the "thank
> > you for using unstable, if it breaks you may keep both pieces"-approach.
> 
> I think it's both? But that's for a different discussion.

I agree on both points in this line, and nevertheless stand by my
original message.

Chris

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