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ma 2.12.2024 klo 21.48 Jeremy Stanley (fungi@yuggoth.org) kirjoitti:
>
> On 2024-12-02 19:09:33 +0200 (+0200), Martin-Éric Racine wrote:
> > (non-subscriber; please keep me in CC whenever reply to this)
> >
> > ma 2.12.2024 klo 18.33 Andreas Tille (tille@debian.org) kirjoitti:
> > > Attracting newcomers
> [...]
> > From personal experience, jumping through hoops to become a DD, or
> > even just a DM, in a situation where I only maintain a handful of
> > packages and randomly contribute patches to other packages (or
> > overhaul the packaging before handing the package over to its next
> > maintainer) simply hasn't been worth the troubles.
> [...]
>
> I'll just say you're not alone. I've been around the Debian
> community since pre-Y2K and, if I'd cared, could probably have been
> a DD rather easily when the requirements were little more than say
> 'hi' and have enough DD signatures on your key.

The days when having enough signatures on your key and knowing Elmo on
IRC. I remember.

> Would I bother to go through NM now if the process were more
> simplified/streamlined? Maybe, but probably not. As you noted,
> priorities matter and it's entirely possible to be involved in
> Debian without that (depending on what exactly you want to do of
> course). There's quite a lot that doesn't require upload permissions
> in the archive, and also quite a lot of amazing people with upload
> permissions who are happy to help on the occasions it's needed.

The fallacy is to assume that just because someone contributed a
patch, their next step is to quit their dayjob and become a full-time
contributor. I keep on thinking of Con Kolivas, who contributed a very
popular Linux kernel patch while working as a paramedic. He didn't
quit his dayjob. Worse, once it became clear that his immensely
popular patch didn't fit the server-centric focus that prevailed on
the LKML back then, he stepped back from software development
altogether. I did something similar with Debian. I still primarily use
Debian, I still maintain a decreasing number of packages but,
otherwise, I really don't have the patience for ever trying NM again
and, quite frankly, I purposely keep my distances from Debian politics
and simply shake my head in disgust whenever yet another inconsiderate
decision impacts the life of rank-and-file users.

Martin-Éric

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Re: Bits from DPL Martin-Éric Racine <martin-eric.racine@iki.fi> - 2024-12-02 18:30 +0100
  Re: Bits from DPL Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> - 2024-12-02 20:50 +0100
    Re: Bits from DPL nick black <dankamongmen@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 23:40 +0100
    Re: Bits from DPL Martin-Éric Racine <martin-eric.racine@iki.fi> - 2024-12-03 09:20 +0100
      Re: Bits from DPL Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-12-03 09:50 +0100
        Barriers between packages and other people (Was: Bits from DPL) Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2024-12-04 18:10 +0100
          Re: Barriers between packages and other people Richard Lewis <richard.lewis.debian@googlemail.com> - 2024-12-04 22:30 +0100
          Re: Barriers between packages and other people (Was: Bits from DPL) Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-12-05 08:20 +0100
          Re: Barriers between packages and other people (Was: Bits from DPL) Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> - 2024-12-12 09:00 +0100
            Re: Barriers between packages and other people (Was: Bits from DPL) Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2024-12-12 09:40 +0100
              Re: Barriers between packages and other people (Was: Bits from DPL) Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-12-12 10:20 +0100
            Re: Barriers between packages and other people (Was: Bits from DPL) Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2024-12-12 12:50 +0100
              Re: Barriers between packages and other people (Was: Bits from DPL) Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> - 2024-12-15 07:00 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people (Was: Bits from DPL) Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2024-12-15 10:50 +0100
            Re: Barriers between packages and other people Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2024-12-21 03:20 +0100
          Re: Barriers between packages and other people (Was: Bits from DPL) Gioele Barabucci <gioele@svario.it> - 2024-12-12 10:50 +0100
            Re: Barriers between packages and other people Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2024-12-21 03:20 +0100
              Re: Barriers between packages and other people Gioele Barabucci <gioele@svario.it> - 2024-12-21 08:10 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2024-12-21 09:50 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2024-12-21 10:20 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people Aurélien COUDERC <libre@coucouf.fr> - 2024-12-21 12:00 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people Tobias Frost <tobi@debian.org> - 2024-12-21 15:50 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people Gioele Barabucci <gioele@svario.it> - 2024-12-21 22:30 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2024-12-22 03:00 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people Andreas Metzler <ametzler@bebt.de> - 2024-12-22 07:00 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people Gioele Barabucci <gioele@svario.it> - 2024-12-23 20:50 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people Andreas Metzler <ametzler@bebt.de> - 2024-12-24 12:00 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2024-12-24 13:20 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2024-12-22 08:40 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2024-12-22 02:40 +0100
              Re: Barriers between packages and other people Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2024-12-21 08:30 +0100
              Re: Barriers between packages and other people Santiago Ruano Rincón <santiagorr@riseup.net> - 2024-12-21 10:40 +0100
              Re: Barriers between packages and other people Tobias Frost <tobi@debian.org> - 2024-12-21 12:30 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2024-12-21 18:00 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people Jeremy Sowden <azazel@debian.org> - 2024-12-21 18:10 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2024-12-21 18:20 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2024-12-22 03:00 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people Andreas Metzler <ametzler@bebt.de> - 2024-12-22 07:30 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-12-22 10:20 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2024-12-22 18:00 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people Daniel Gröber <dxld@darkboxed.org> - 2024-12-23 17:40 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2024-12-21 19:00 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2024-12-22 03:20 +0100
                Re: Barriers between packages and other people Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2024-12-22 03:30 +0100
            Re: Barriers between packages and other people Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2024-12-21 09:40 +0100
              Re: Barriers between packages and other people Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2024-12-22 03:00 +0100
              Re: Barriers between packages and other people Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2024-12-22 03:10 +0100

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