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OT: "Every American"...

Started byAlan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
First post2017-02-03 15:45 -0800
Last post2017-02-08 17:22 +0000
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  OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-03 15:45 -0800
    Wrong group... (was Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-03 16:48 -0800
    Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-04 03:20 +0000
      Re: OT: "Every American"... JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-02-03 23:12 -0500
        Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-04 06:18 +0000
      Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 03:58 -0500
        Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-04 09:26 +0000
          Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-04 16:05 +0000
        Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-04 16:04 +0000
          Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-04 18:30 +0100
            Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-04 17:48 +0000
              Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-04 18:59 +0100
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-04 18:16 +0000
                  Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-04 20:03 +0100
                    Re: OT: "Every American"... Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-02-04 15:31 -0500
                    Re: OT: "Every American"... Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-02-04 17:50 -0800
                      Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-05 08:40 +0100
        Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-04 11:11 -0500
          Re: OT: "Every American"... Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-02-04 12:30 -0500
            Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-04 12:37 -0500
              Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-04 13:31 -0800
                Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-04 17:06 -0500
                  Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-04 16:33 -0800
                    Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-04 20:00 -0500
                      Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-04 17:06 -0800
                      Re: OT: "Every American"... Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-02-04 18:14 -0800
                        Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-04 21:32 -0500
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-04 18:38 -0800
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-04 21:47 -0500
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-04 19:06 -0800
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 06:18 -0500
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 06:17 -0500
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-05 15:14 -0500
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 21:19 -0500
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 18:11 -0500
                        Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-05 16:43 +0100
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-05 09:51 -0800
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-05 15:14 -0500
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 21:20 -0500
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 21:18 -0500
                      Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 06:16 -0500
                        Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-05 16:48 +0100
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-02-05 13:12 -0500
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-05 15:14 -0500
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-05 13:29 -0800
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 21:29 -0500
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-07 21:03 -0500
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-07 18:40 -0800
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:30 -0500
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-05 15:14 -0500
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 21:30 -0500
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-07 21:03 -0500
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:31 -0500
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-08 23:32 +0100
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:32 -0500
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 21:31 -0500
                                    Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 21:32 -0700
                                      Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 05:21 -0500
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 18:09 -0500
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 18:11 -0500
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 21:21 -0500
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-02-10 11:30 -0500
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-02-10 12:05 -0500
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-02-12 16:59 -0800
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 03:25 -0500
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-02-13 02:00 -0800
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-13 12:23 +0100
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 17:49 -0500
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-14 10:11 +1100
                        Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-05 15:14 -0500
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-05 13:30 -0800
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 21:34 -0500
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-07 21:03 -0500
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-07 18:39 -0800
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-07 19:57 -0700
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:33 -0500
                                    Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 16:36 -0700
                                      Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 21:33 -0500
                                        Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 21:11 -0700
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-08 14:52 +1100
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-07 23:00 -0500
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-07 20:02 -0800
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-09 10:05 +1100
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:34 -0500
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:32 -0500
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 21:36 -0500
                  Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 06:13 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-02-05 21:42 -0500
                  Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-07 21:03 -0500
                    Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-07 18:39 -0800
                    Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:34 -0500
                      Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 18:09 -0500
              Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 06:12 -0500
          Re: OT: "Every American"... Lloyd Parsons <email@domain.com> - 2017-02-04 12:18 -0600
            Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-04 13:21 -0500
          Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-04 13:30 -0800
            Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-04 17:06 -0500
              Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-04 16:32 -0800
              Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 06:19 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-05 15:14 -0500
                  Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 21:38 -0500
                    Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-07 21:03 -0500
                      Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-07 18:38 -0800
                        Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-08 13:46 -0500
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 11:54 -0700
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-08 14:18 -0500
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 12:54 -0700
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:38 -0500
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 16:46 -0700
                                    Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 21:37 -0500
                                      Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-08 19:05 -0800
                                        Re: OT: "Every American"... Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-02-08 20:08 -0800
                                      Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 21:14 -0700
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-09 09:55 +1100
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:36 -0500
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-08 11:23 -0800
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:35 -0500
                      Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:35 -0500
                        Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 18:09 -0500
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-09 17:09 -0700
            Re: OT: "Every American"... Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-02-04 17:51 -0800
          Re: OT: "Every American"... JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-02-05 01:44 -0500
            Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-05 08:39 +0100
            Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-05 16:52 +0100
          Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 06:10 -0500
            Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-06 14:14 +1100
        Re: OT: "Every American"... Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-02-04 12:52 -0500
          Re: OT: "Every American"... Lloyd Parsons <email@domain.com> - 2017-02-04 12:20 -0600
            Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 06:20 -0500
          Re: OT: "Every American"... Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-02-04 18:02 -0500
            Re: OT: "Every American"... Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-02-05 06:12 -0500
            Re: OT: "Every American"... Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-02-05 22:06 -0500
        Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-02-04 16:19 -0600
          Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-05 00:32 +0100
          Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-05 16:51 +0100
            Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-02-05 17:21 -0600
              Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-06 09:55 +0000
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-02-06 21:10 -0600
                  Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-08 10:20 +1100
                    Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-02-07 17:58 -0600
                      Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-07 18:35 -0700
                        Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-02-08 22:53 -0600
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-02-08 20:57 -0800
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 05:22 -0500
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-09 08:41 -0700
            Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-06 14:17 +1100
              Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-08 23:40 +0100
                Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-09 10:11 +1100
                  Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-16 01:35 +0100
                    Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-16 12:00 +1100
                      Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-16 08:05 +0100
                      Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-16 16:23 +0100
                        Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-16 12:27 -0800
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-16 15:32 -0500
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-16 12:38 -0800
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-16 15:42 -0500
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-16 12:44 -0800
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-16 21:51 +0100
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-02-16 16:15 -0500
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-16 13:33 -0800
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-02-17 14:38 -0500
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-17 12:01 -0800
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-17 10:02 +1100
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 19:08 -0500
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-17 01:25 +0100
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-02-17 14:54 -0500
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-18 11:58 +1100
                                    Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-20 11:41 +0100
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-20 11:40 +0100
                                    Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-20 14:09 +0100
                                    Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-21 10:24 +1100
                                      Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-21 15:36 +0100
                                        Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-22 07:01 +1100
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 19:05 -0500
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-02-16 23:19 -0500
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-16 22:50 -0700
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 06:35 -0500
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 06:36 -0500
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 06:45 -0500
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-17 16:50 +0100
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-02-18 11:15 -0600
                                    Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 16:31 -0500
                                    Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-18 22:27 +0000
                                      Re: OT: "Every American"... Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-02-18 15:23 -0800
                                        Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 01:49 -0500
                                          Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-19 19:05 +1100
                                            Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-19 09:30 +0000
                                              Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-19 22:18 +1100
                                                Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-19 14:08 +0000
                                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-19 16:55 +0100
                                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-20 10:37 +1100
                                                    Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-20 06:22 +0100
                                                    Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-20 10:16 +0000
                                                      Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-20 16:28 +0000
                                                        Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-20 17:56 +0100
                                                          Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-20 17:16 +0000
                                                            Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-20 19:01 +0100
                                                              Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-20 18:08 +0000
                                                                Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-20 18:41 +0000
                                                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-20 19:53 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-20 19:37 +0000
                                                                      Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-20 20:57 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-20 20:23 +0000
                                                                Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-20 18:42 +0000
                                                                Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-20 19:49 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-20 19:34 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-20 20:54 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-20 20:23 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-20 20:25 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-20 21:41 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-20 21:27 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-20 20:40 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-20 21:45 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-20 17:45 -0500
                                                                        Re: OT: "Every American"... Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-02-20 15:46 -0800
                                                                          Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-21 07:00 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT: "Every American"... Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-02-20 22:09 -0800
                                                                              Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-21 06:19 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-21 07:50 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-21 15:32 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-21 07:49 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-21 15:33 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-02-21 07:50 -0800
                                                                                    Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-21 16:04 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-21 19:07 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-21 19:46 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-21 21:00 +0100
                                                            Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-20 17:44 -0500
                                                              Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-21 15:42 +0100
                                                                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-21 18:00 -0500
                                                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-02-21 19:12 -0800
                                                                    Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-21 23:22 -0500
                                                                      Re: OT: "Every American"... Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-02-21 21:28 -0800
                                                        Re: OT: "Every American"... "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2017-02-20 10:05 -0700
                                                          Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-20 17:25 +0000
                                                      Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-21 10:18 +1100
                                              Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-20 11:55 +0100
                                                Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-20 14:09 +0100
                                    Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-20 11:44 +0100
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-17 01:15 +0100
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-17 11:51 +1100
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 18:29 -0500
                        Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-17 09:56 +1100
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-17 01:36 +0100
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-16 16:38 -0800
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-17 11:57 +1100
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-17 02:03 +0100
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-17 17:42 +1100
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-02-16 20:09 -0500
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 06:40 -0500
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-17 16:48 +0100
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 18:30 -0500
                        Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 19:02 -0500
                    Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 20:46 -0500
          Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-05 16:28 +0000
            Re: OT: "Every American"... Lloyd Parsons <email@domain.com> - 2017-02-05 10:41 -0600
              Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-05 16:51 +0000
                Re: OT: "Every American"... JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-02-05 13:32 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... ElfinArc <elfinarc6@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 15:05 -0600
                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 21:40 -0500
                  Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-07 16:41 +0000
                    Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-07 18:21 +0000
                      Re: OT: "Every American"... Lloyd Parsons <email@domain.com> - 2017-02-07 12:33 -0600
                        Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-07 18:36 +0000
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-07 19:00 +0000
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-07 21:31 +0000
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-07 21:47 +0000
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-07 21:55 +0000
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-07 22:12 +0000
                                    Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-07 16:11 -0700
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-07 16:11 -0700
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-08 10:33 +1100
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-08 10:31 +1100
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-08 09:07 +0000
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-08 14:51 +0000
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-08 10:26 +1100
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-08 09:06 +0000
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-08 14:45 +0000
                        Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-08 10:24 +1100
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-07 16:40 -0700
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-07 21:03 -0500
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-08 14:47 +1100
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-08 13:46 -0500
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-09 09:55 +1100
                                    Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 16:21 -0700
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:21 -0500
                                    Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 16:31 -0700
                                      Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 21:19 -0500
                                        Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 21:08 -0700
                                      Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 21:22 -0500
                                        Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 21:28 -0700
                                      Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 21:27 -0500
                                        Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 21:26 -0700
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-08 09:02 +0000
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 09:10 -0700
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-08 16:35 +0000
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 09:52 -0700
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-08 18:25 +0100
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... ElfinArc <elfinarc6@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 20:02 -0600
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-08 14:44 +1100
                        Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-02-07 18:06 -0600
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-08 00:17 +0000
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-07 18:30 -0700
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-07 21:03 -0500
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-07 18:34 -0700
                            Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 21:25 -0500
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-07 19:51 -0700
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-08 13:46 -0500
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 11:48 -0700
                                    Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-08 14:18 -0500
                                      Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 12:55 -0700
                                    Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:25 -0500
                                      Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 16:37 -0700
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:24 -0500
                                    Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 16:38 -0700
                                      Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 21:28 -0500
                                        Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 21:19 -0700
                                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:24 -0500
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 16:39 -0700
                                    Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 21:30 -0500
                                      Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 21:18 -0700
                                      Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-09 13:58 +0000
                                        Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 09:50 -0500
                                          Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-10 08:59 +1100
                                        Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-09 09:25 -0700
                                  Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 18:08 -0500
                                    Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-09 16:53 -0700
                              Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-08 09:10 +0000
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... ElfinArc <elfinarc6@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 20:02 -0600
                        Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-08 23:43 +0100
                          Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 16:48 -0700
                      Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-07 18:55 +0000
                    Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 18:21 -0500
                    Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-07 21:03 -0500
                  Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-07 21:03 -0500
                    Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-07 18:38 -0800
                      Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-07 23:00 -0500
                    Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-08 14:49 +1100
                    Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:28 -0500
                    Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:29 -0500
              Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-02-05 17:46 -0600
            Re: OT: "Every American"... JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-02-05 13:21 -0500
              Re: OT: "Every American"... Jim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 15:50 -0800
            Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-02-05 17:30 -0600
              Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-06 09:57 +0000
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-02-06 21:13 -0600
              Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-07 21:03 -0500
      Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-04 18:52 +0100
        Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-04 18:15 +0000
          Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-04 21:15 +0000
            Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-04 22:15 +0000
              Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-05 16:22 +0000
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-05 16:38 +0000
        Re: OT: "Every American"... JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-02-05 01:52 -0500
          Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-05 16:55 +0100
    Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-02-04 16:15 -0600
      Re: OT: "Every American"... Lloyd Parsons <email@domain.com> - 2017-02-04 17:45 -0600
        Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-02-05 17:49 -0600
      Re: OT: "Every American"... Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-02-04 18:10 -0800
        Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-02-05 17:53 -0600
      Re: OT: "Every American"... Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-02-04 20:24 -0800
        Re: OT: "Every American"... Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-02-04 21:34 -0800
          Re: OT: "Every American"... Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-02-04 22:53 -0800
            Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-05 17:01 +0100
              Re: OT: "Every American"... Lloyd Parsons <email@domain.com> - 2017-02-05 10:39 -0600
              Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-05 15:14 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 21:55 -0500
                  Re: OT: "Every American"... Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-02-06 19:35 -0800
                  Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-07 21:03 -0500
                    Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:41 -0500
            Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-02-05 18:01 -0600
      Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 06:23 -0500
    Re: OT: "Every American"... "Ed H." <phoney@bogus.com> - 2017-02-08 11:02 -0600
      Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-08 17:22 +0000

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#99721

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-06 21:38 -0500
Message-ID<o7bbr7$89j$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#99617
On 2017-02-05 15:14:51 -0500, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> said:

> In article <o771jv$52k$3@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> He did absolutely **everything** humanly possible to show us that he
>>>>>> was completely unqualified, unsuited, and unfit to hold the office of
>>>>>> the Presidency.
>>>>> 
>>>>> not as much as clinton did, who showed that she was even *less*
>>>>> qualified, including lying under oath and paying off the fbi director
>>>>> to not prosecute her.
>>>> 
>>>> You of course realize you have no clue, right?
>>> 
>>> more than you do.
>>> 
>>>> 1. You have no clue that Comey acted in any way improperly to benefit
>>>> Clinton.
>>> 
>>> the simple fact he didn't prosecute her is proof. had anyone other than
>>> her done the same thing, they'd be in jail.
>>> 
>>>> 2. The fact of his second announcement just before the election makes it
>>>> look far more like the whole thing was a setup to hurt her improperly at
>>>> the worse possible moment.
>>> 
>>> because he knew what she did.
>> 
>> he didn't
> 
> if he really didn't know what she did, then he's unfit to be the
> director of the fbi, who, along with a team of agents, supposedly
> investigated her. how could he not know?

How can you not know?

Faced with the choice of believing the FBI or you, there is no contest.
-- 
REP. JOHN DUNCAN (R): "Do you understand that great numbers of people 
feel, now, that there's one standard of justice for the Clintons and 
another for regular people?"

COMEY:  "Yeah, I've heard that a lot... it's NOT TRUE, but I've heard 
it a lot."

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#99807

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2017-02-07 21:03 -0500
Message-ID<070220172103396600%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#99721
In article <o7bbr7$89j$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:

> >>>> 1. You have no clue that Comey acted in any way improperly to benefit
> >>>> Clinton.
> >>> 
> >>> the simple fact he didn't prosecute her is proof. had anyone other than
> >>> her done the same thing, they'd be in jail.
> >>> 
> >>>> 2. The fact of his second announcement just before the election makes it
> >>>> look far more like the whole thing was a setup to hurt her improperly at
> >>>> the worse possible moment.
> >>> 
> >>> because he knew what she did.
> >> 
> >> he didn't
> > 
> > if he really didn't know what she did, then he's unfit to be the
> > director of the fbi, who, along with a team of agents, supposedly
> > investigated her. how could he not know?
> 
> How can you not know?
> 
> Faced with the choice of believing the FBI or you, there is no contest.

the fbi is not immune to corruption and comey has also lied under oath.

i watched him testify before congress for the apple-doj/fbi and the
clinton debacle. within minutes, he lied in both, under oath and in
front of congress.

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#99818

FromAlan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
Date2017-02-07 18:38 -0800
Message-ID<o7e0bn$n89$2@news.datemas.de>
In reply to#99807
On 2017-02-07 6:03 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <o7bbr7$89j$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> 1. You have no clue that Comey acted in any way improperly to benefit
>>>>>> Clinton.
>>>>>
>>>>> the simple fact he didn't prosecute her is proof. had anyone other than
>>>>> her done the same thing, they'd be in jail.
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. The fact of his second announcement just before the election makes it
>>>>>> look far more like the whole thing was a setup to hurt her improperly at
>>>>>> the worse possible moment.
>>>>>
>>>>> because he knew what she did.
>>>>
>>>> he didn't
>>>
>>> if he really didn't know what she did, then he's unfit to be the
>>> director of the fbi, who, along with a team of agents, supposedly
>>> investigated her. how could he not know?
>>
>> How can you not know?
>>
>> Faced with the choice of believing the FBI or you, there is no contest.
>
> the fbi is not immune to corruption and comey has also lied under oath.

Quote this lie...

>
> i watched him testify before congress for the apple-doj/fbi and the
> clinton debacle. within minutes, he lied in both, under oath and in
> front of congress.

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#99928

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2017-02-08 13:46 -0500
Message-ID<080220171346193651%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#99818
In article <o7e0bn$n89$2@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
<alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:

> >> Faced with the choice of believing the FBI or you, there is no contest.
> >
> > the fbi is not immune to corruption and comey has also lied under oath.
> 
> Quote this lie...
> 
> > i watched him testify before congress for the apple-doj/fbi and the
> > clinton debacle. within minutes, he lied in both, under oath and in
> > front of congress.

that's not a lie. watch/listen to his testimony before congress, where
he contradicts himself numerous times, *under* *oath*.

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#99934

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2017-02-08 11:54 -0700
Message-ID<D4C0B787.8F1B2%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to#99928
On 2/8/17, 11:46 AM, in article 080220171346193651%nospam@nospam.invalid,
"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <o7e0bn$n89$2@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
> <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> 
>>>> Faced with the choice of believing the FBI or you, there is no contest.
>>> 
>>> the fbi is not immune to corruption and comey has also lied under oath.
>> 
>> Quote this lie...
>> 
>>> i watched him testify before congress for the apple-doj/fbi and the
>>> clinton debacle. within minutes, he lied in both, under oath and in
>>> front of congress.
> 
> that's not a lie. watch/listen to his testimony before congress, where
> he contradicts himself numerous times, *under* *oath*.

Such as...???



-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#99941

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2017-02-08 14:18 -0500
Message-ID<080220171418450383%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#99934
In article <D4C0B787.8F1B2%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
<usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> >>>> Faced with the choice of believing the FBI or you, there is no contest.
> >>> 
> >>> the fbi is not immune to corruption and comey has also lied under oath.
> >> 
> >> Quote this lie...
> >> 
> >>> i watched him testify before congress for the apple-doj/fbi and the
> >>> clinton debacle. within minutes, he lied in both, under oath and in
> >>> front of congress.
> > 
> > that's not a lie. watch/listen to his testimony before congress, where
> > he contradicts himself numerous times, *under* *oath*.
> 
> Such as...???

comey claimed under oath that the fbi 'tried everything' to unlock the
san bernardino shooter's iphone. that was false. they did not try
everything. he lied.

he also said under oath that only apple could unlock it and if they
could have unlocked it without apple's help, they would have done so
rather than file a lawsuit. another lie. 

then a few weeks after the hearing, the fbi suddenly 'found' a way by
contracting with a well established forensics company. 

why didn't they contact this company *before* the lawsuit? 

clearly they had not tried everything.

comey also asked for people to call the fbi to help them unlock the
phone because maybe someone out there has an idea they had not tried.
that was pure bullshit. 

it turns out that several very knowledgeable people already had called
the fbi offering to assist them, including members of the iphone dev
team (who come up with the jailbreaks) and jonathan zdziarski, one of
the top ios security people on the planet (who also commented on the
fbi's numerous contradictions and completely bogus claims) only to be
told that the fbi had no interest in outside help.

there were several other instances during his many hours long testimony
where what he said either did not match reality or it contradicted what
he had previously said, either prior to the hearing, during the hearing
itself or in the legal briefs that were filed (which also had many of
their own false claims).

when people make easily disproven claims and have stories that keep
changing, you know you're dealing with liars. 

he lied under oath. simple as that.

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#99946

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2017-02-08 12:54 -0700
Message-ID<D4C0C578.8F1DE%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to#99941
On 2/8/17, 12:18 PM, in article 080220171418450383%nospam@nospam.invalid,
"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <D4C0B787.8F1B2%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> Faced with the choice of believing the FBI or you, there is no contest.
>>>>> 
>>>>> the fbi is not immune to corruption and comey has also lied under oath.
>>>> 
>>>> Quote this lie...
>>>> 
>>>>> i watched him testify before congress for the apple-doj/fbi and the
>>>>> clinton debacle. within minutes, he lied in both, under oath and in
>>>>> front of congress.
>>> 
>>> that's not a lie. watch/listen to his testimony before congress, where
>>> he contradicts himself numerous times, *under* *oath*.
>> 
>> Such as...???
> 
> comey claimed under oath that the fbi 'tried everything' to unlock the
> san bernardino shooter's iphone. that was false. they did not try
> everything. he lied.
> 
> he also said under oath that only apple could unlock it and if they
> could have unlocked it without apple's help, they would have done so
> rather than file a lawsuit. another lie.
> 
> then a few weeks after the hearing, the fbi suddenly 'found' a way by
> contracting with a well established forensics company.
> 
> why didn't they contact this company *before* the lawsuit?
> 
> clearly they had not tried everything.
> 
> comey also asked for people to call the fbi to help them unlock the
> phone because maybe someone out there has an idea they had not tried.
> that was pure bullshit.
> 
> it turns out that several very knowledgeable people already had called
> the fbi offering to assist them, including members of the iphone dev
> team (who come up with the jailbreaks) and jonathan zdziarski, one of
> the top ios security people on the planet (who also commented on the
> fbi's numerous contradictions and completely bogus claims) only to be
> told that the fbi had no interest in outside help.
> 
> there were several other instances during his many hours long testimony
> where what he said either did not match reality or it contradicted what
> he had previously said, either prior to the hearing, during the hearing
> itself or in the legal briefs that were filed (which also had many of
> their own false claims).
> 
> when people make easily disproven claims and have stories that keep
> changing, you know you're dealing with liars.
> 
> he lied under oath. simple as that.

I did not watch that testimony, but when people say they have tried
everything it is not meant to be taken literally. I doubt, for example, they
did shamanic rituals or sang lullabies to it.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#100003

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-08 18:38 -0500
Message-ID<o7ga37$kjs$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#99946
On 2017-02-08 14:54:16 -0500, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> said:

> On 2/8/17, 12:18 PM, in article 080220171418450383%nospam@nospam.invalid,
> "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> In article <D4C0B787.8F1B2%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>> Faced with the choice of believing the FBI or you, there is no contest.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> the fbi is not immune to corruption and comey has also lied under oath.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Quote this lie...
>>>>> 
>>>>>> i watched him testify before congress for the apple-doj/fbi and the
>>>>>> clinton debacle. within minutes, he lied in both, under oath and in
>>>>>> front of congress.
>>>> 
>>>> that's not a lie. watch/listen to his testimony before congress, where
>>>> he contradicts himself numerous times, *under* *oath*.
>>> 
>>> Such as...???
>> 
>> comey claimed under oath that the fbi 'tried everything' to unlock the
>> san bernardino shooter's iphone. that was false. they did not try
>> everything. he lied.
>> 
>> he also said under oath that only apple could unlock it and if they
>> could have unlocked it without apple's help, they would have done so
>> rather than file a lawsuit. another lie.
>> 
>> then a few weeks after the hearing, the fbi suddenly 'found' a way by
>> contracting with a well established forensics company.
>> 
>> why didn't they contact this company *before* the lawsuit?
>> 
>> clearly they had not tried everything.
>> 
>> comey also asked for people to call the fbi to help them unlock the
>> phone because maybe someone out there has an idea they had not tried.
>> that was pure bullshit.
>> 
>> it turns out that several very knowledgeable people already had called
>> the fbi offering to assist them, including members of the iphone dev
>> team (who come up with the jailbreaks) and jonathan zdziarski, one of
>> the top ios security people on the planet (who also commented on the
>> fbi's numerous contradictions and completely bogus claims) only to be
>> told that the fbi had no interest in outside help.
>> 
>> there were several other instances during his many hours long testimony
>> where what he said either did not match reality or it contradicted what
>> he had previously said, either prior to the hearing, during the hearing
>> itself or in the legal briefs that were filed (which also had many of
>> their own false claims).
>> 
>> when people make easily disproven claims and have stories that keep
>> changing, you know you're dealing with liars.
>> 
>> he lied under oath. simple as that.
> 
> I did not watch that testimony, but when people say they have tried
> everything it is not meant to be taken literally. I doubt, for example, they
> did shamanic rituals or sang lullabies to it.

He's nuts, you know...

When asked if Comey had finished his lunch, he said "Yes.  I ate everything".

Another obvious lie, as he had not actually eaten "everything".  I know 
because I also ate afterward, and I had plenty!
-- 
"I call my own shots, largely based on an accumulation of data, and 
everyone knows it. Some FAKE NEWS media, in order to marginalize, lies! 
-2017 
"WAR IS PEACE." "FREEDOM IS SLAVERY." "IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH!"  -1984 
Eric Arthur Blair

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#100006

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2017-02-08 16:46 -0700
Message-ID<D4C0FBD7.8F26A%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to#100003
On 2/8/17, 4:38 PM, in article o7ga37$kjs$1@dont-email.me, "FPP"
<fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2017-02-08 14:54:16 -0500, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> said:
> 
>> On 2/8/17, 12:18 PM, in article 080220171418450383%nospam@nospam.invalid,
>> "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <D4C0B787.8F1B2%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>>>> Faced with the choice of believing the FBI or you, there is no contest.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> the fbi is not immune to corruption and comey has also lied under oath.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Quote this lie...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> i watched him testify before congress for the apple-doj/fbi and the
>>>>>>> clinton debacle. within minutes, he lied in both, under oath and in
>>>>>>> front of congress.
>>>>> 
>>>>> that's not a lie. watch/listen to his testimony before congress, where
>>>>> he contradicts himself numerous times, *under* *oath*.
>>>> 
>>>> Such as...???
>>> 
>>> comey claimed under oath that the fbi 'tried everything' to unlock the
>>> san bernardino shooter's iphone. that was false. they did not try
>>> everything. he lied.
>>> 
>>> he also said under oath that only apple could unlock it and if they
>>> could have unlocked it without apple's help, they would have done so
>>> rather than file a lawsuit. another lie.
>>> 
>>> then a few weeks after the hearing, the fbi suddenly 'found' a way by
>>> contracting with a well established forensics company.
>>> 
>>> why didn't they contact this company *before* the lawsuit?
>>> 
>>> clearly they had not tried everything.
>>> 
>>> comey also asked for people to call the fbi to help them unlock the
>>> phone because maybe someone out there has an idea they had not tried.
>>> that was pure bullshit.
>>> 
>>> it turns out that several very knowledgeable people already had called
>>> the fbi offering to assist them, including members of the iphone dev
>>> team (who come up with the jailbreaks) and jonathan zdziarski, one of
>>> the top ios security people on the planet (who also commented on the
>>> fbi's numerous contradictions and completely bogus claims) only to be
>>> told that the fbi had no interest in outside help.
>>> 
>>> there were several other instances during his many hours long testimony
>>> where what he said either did not match reality or it contradicted what
>>> he had previously said, either prior to the hearing, during the hearing
>>> itself or in the legal briefs that were filed (which also had many of
>>> their own false claims).
>>> 
>>> when people make easily disproven claims and have stories that keep
>>> changing, you know you're dealing with liars.
>>> 
>>> he lied under oath. simple as that.
>> 
>> I did not watch that testimony, but when people say they have tried
>> everything it is not meant to be taken literally. I doubt, for example, they
>> did shamanic rituals or sang lullabies to it.
> 
> He's nuts, you know...
> 
> When asked if Comey had finished his lunch, he said "Yes.  I ate everything".
> 
> Another obvious lie, as he had not actually eaten "everything".  I know
> because I also ate afterward, and I had plenty!

He was asked to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
He did not tell ALL truths... thus not the whole truth. He lied!

What is amazing is Clinton supporters loved him when he opted to not indict.
At first I was not happy with that decision but before attacking him I
listened to the testimony. While I can see where others would disagree, I
found it convincing and -- even though it was not the outcome I wanted -- I
defended him as seemingly honorable. Clinton supporters loved it.

But then I noted what he actually said... they do not like that much.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#100040

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-08 21:37 -0500
Message-ID<o7gkij$fgb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#100006
On 2017-02-08 18:46:15 -0500, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> said:

> On 2/8/17, 4:38 PM, in article o7ga37$kjs$1@dont-email.me, "FPP"
> <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2017-02-08 14:54:16 -0500, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> said:
>> 
>>> On 2/8/17, 12:18 PM, in article 080220171418450383%nospam@nospam.invalid,
>>> "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In article <D4C0B787.8F1B2%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Faced with the choice of believing the FBI or you, there is no contest.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> the fbi is not immune to corruption and comey has also lied under oath.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Quote this lie...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> i watched him testify before congress for the apple-doj/fbi and the
>>>>>>>> clinton debacle. within minutes, he lied in both, under oath and in
>>>>>>>> front of congress.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> that's not a lie. watch/listen to his testimony before congress, where
>>>>>> he contradicts himself numerous times, *under* *oath*.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Such as...???
>>>> 
>>>> comey claimed under oath that the fbi 'tried everything' to unlock the
>>>> san bernardino shooter's iphone. that was false. they did not try
>>>> everything. he lied.
>>>> 
>>>> he also said under oath that only apple could unlock it and if they
>>>> could have unlocked it without apple's help, they would have done so
>>>> rather than file a lawsuit. another lie.
>>>> 
>>>> then a few weeks after the hearing, the fbi suddenly 'found' a way by
>>>> contracting with a well established forensics company.
>>>> 
>>>> why didn't they contact this company *before* the lawsuit?
>>>> 
>>>> clearly they had not tried everything.
>>>> 
>>>> comey also asked for people to call the fbi to help them unlock the
>>>> phone because maybe someone out there has an idea they had not tried.
>>>> that was pure bullshit.
>>>> 
>>>> it turns out that several very knowledgeable people already had called
>>>> the fbi offering to assist them, including members of the iphone dev
>>>> team (who come up with the jailbreaks) and jonathan zdziarski, one of
>>>> the top ios security people on the planet (who also commented on the
>>>> fbi's numerous contradictions and completely bogus claims) only to be
>>>> told that the fbi had no interest in outside help.
>>>> 
>>>> there were several other instances during his many hours long testimony
>>>> where what he said either did not match reality or it contradicted what
>>>> he had previously said, either prior to the hearing, during the hearing
>>>> itself or in the legal briefs that were filed (which also had many of
>>>> their own false claims).
>>>> 
>>>> when people make easily disproven claims and have stories that keep
>>>> changing, you know you're dealing with liars.
>>>> 
>>>> he lied under oath. simple as that.
>>> 
>>> I did not watch that testimony, but when people say they have tried
>>> everything it is not meant to be taken literally. I doubt, for example, they
>>> did shamanic rituals or sang lullabies to it.
>> 
>> He's nuts, you know...
>> 
>> When asked if Comey had finished his lunch, he said "Yes.  I ate everything".
>> 
>> Another obvious lie, as he had not actually eaten "everything".  I know
>> because I also ate afterward, and I had plenty!
> 
> He was asked to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
> He did not tell ALL truths... thus not the whole truth. He lied!
> 
> What is amazing is Clinton supporters loved him when he opted to not indict.
> At first I was not happy with that decision but before attacking him I
> listened to the testimony. While I can see where others would disagree, I
> found it convincing and -- even though it was not the outcome I wanted -- I
> defended him as seemingly honorable. Clinton supporters loved it.
> 
> But then I noted what he actually said... they do not like that much.

Comey violated Justice Department rules.  More than once.  He commented 
on an ongoing case, he made a public statement, he addressed Congress, 
and sent follow-up letters in violation of Justice Dept regs and direct 
advice from his superiors and watchdogs.

And, yet, when he had info on Trump weeks before the Hillary matter, he 
refused to make any of it known because he thought it was too close to 
the election and might sway voters and public opinion.

The EXACT opposite of what he did with the Clinton info.
He's a Republican, and he acted like it.  He has ZERO credibility any more.
-- 
"I call my own shots, largely based on an accumulation of data, and 
everyone knows it. Some FAKE NEWS media, in order to marginalize, lies! 
-2017 
"WAR IS PEACE." "FREEDOM IS SLAVERY." "IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH!"  -1984 
Eric Arthur Blair

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#100041

FromAlan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
Date2017-02-08 19:05 -0800
Message-ID<o7gmah$de2$2@news.datemas.de>
In reply to#100040
On 2017-02-08 6:37 PM, FPP wrote:
> On 2017-02-08 18:46:15 -0500, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> said:
>
>> On 2/8/17, 4:38 PM, in article o7ga37$kjs$1@dont-email.me, "FPP"
>> <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-02-08 14:54:16 -0500, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> said:
>>>
>>>> On 2/8/17, 12:18 PM, in article
>>>> 080220171418450383%nospam@nospam.invalid,
>>>> "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <D4C0B787.8F1B2%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Faced with the choice of believing the FBI or you, there is no
>>>>>>>>>> contest.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the fbi is not immune to corruption and comey has also lied
>>>>>>>>> under oath.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Quote this lie...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i watched him testify before congress for the apple-doj/fbi and
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> clinton debacle. within minutes, he lied in both, under oath
>>>>>>>>> and in
>>>>>>>>> front of congress.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that's not a lie. watch/listen to his testimony before congress,
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> he contradicts himself numerous times, *under* *oath*.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Such as...???
>>>>>
>>>>> comey claimed under oath that the fbi 'tried everything' to unlock the
>>>>> san bernardino shooter's iphone. that was false. they did not try
>>>>> everything. he lied.
>>>>>
>>>>> he also said under oath that only apple could unlock it and if they
>>>>> could have unlocked it without apple's help, they would have done so
>>>>> rather than file a lawsuit. another lie.
>>>>>
>>>>> then a few weeks after the hearing, the fbi suddenly 'found' a way by
>>>>> contracting with a well established forensics company.
>>>>>
>>>>> why didn't they contact this company *before* the lawsuit?
>>>>>
>>>>> clearly they had not tried everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> comey also asked for people to call the fbi to help them unlock the
>>>>> phone because maybe someone out there has an idea they had not tried.
>>>>> that was pure bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> it turns out that several very knowledgeable people already had called
>>>>> the fbi offering to assist them, including members of the iphone dev
>>>>> team (who come up with the jailbreaks) and jonathan zdziarski, one of
>>>>> the top ios security people on the planet (who also commented on the
>>>>> fbi's numerous contradictions and completely bogus claims) only to be
>>>>> told that the fbi had no interest in outside help.
>>>>>
>>>>> there were several other instances during his many hours long
>>>>> testimony
>>>>> where what he said either did not match reality or it contradicted
>>>>> what
>>>>> he had previously said, either prior to the hearing, during the
>>>>> hearing
>>>>> itself or in the legal briefs that were filed (which also had many of
>>>>> their own false claims).
>>>>>
>>>>> when people make easily disproven claims and have stories that keep
>>>>> changing, you know you're dealing with liars.
>>>>>
>>>>> he lied under oath. simple as that.
>>>>
>>>> I did not watch that testimony, but when people say they have tried
>>>> everything it is not meant to be taken literally. I doubt, for
>>>> example, they
>>>> did shamanic rituals or sang lullabies to it.
>>>
>>> He's nuts, you know...
>>>
>>> When asked if Comey had finished his lunch, he said "Yes.  I ate
>>> everything".
>>>
>>> Another obvious lie, as he had not actually eaten "everything".  I know
>>> because I also ate afterward, and I had plenty!
>>
>> He was asked to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the
>> truth.
>> He did not tell ALL truths... thus not the whole truth. He lied!
>>
>> What is amazing is Clinton supporters loved him when he opted to not
>> indict.
>> At first I was not happy with that decision but before attacking him I
>> listened to the testimony. While I can see where others would disagree, I
>> found it convincing and -- even though it was not the outcome I wanted
>> -- I
>> defended him as seemingly honorable. Clinton supporters loved it.
>>
>> But then I noted what he actually said... they do not like that much.
>
> Comey violated Justice Department rules.  More than once.  He commented
> on an ongoing case, he made a public statement, he addressed Congress,
> and sent follow-up letters in violation of Justice Dept regs and direct
> advice from his superiors and watchdogs.
>
> And, yet, when he had info on Trump weeks before the Hillary matter, he
> refused to make any of it known because he thought it was too close to
> the election and might sway voters and public opinion.
>
> The EXACT opposite of what he did with the Clinton info.
> He's a Republican, and he acted like it.  He has ZERO credibility any more.

As an interesting point...

If James Comey acted so very badly with bias in favour of Clinton...

...why does he still have his job?

<https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/24/us/politics/trump-comey-fbi-director-.html>

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#100043

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2017-02-08 20:08 -0800
Message-ID<2017020820084677844-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#100041
On 2017-02-09 03:05:53 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:

> On 2017-02-08 6:37 PM, FPP wrote:
>> On 2017-02-08 18:46:15 -0500, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> said:
>> 
>>> On 2/8/17, 4:38 PM, in article o7ga37$kjs$1@dont-email.me, "FPP"
>>> <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 2017-02-08 14:54:16 -0500, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2/8/17, 12:18 PM, in article
>>>>> 080220171418450383%nospam@nospam.invalid,
>>>>> "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> In article <D4C0B787.8F1B2%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Faced with the choice of believing the FBI or you, there is no
>>>>>>>>>>> contest.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> the fbi is not immune to corruption and comey has also lied
>>>>>>>>>> under oath.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Quote this lie...
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> i watched him testify before congress for the apple-doj/fbi and
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> clinton debacle. within minutes, he lied in both, under oath
>>>>>>>>>> and in
>>>>>>>>>> front of congress.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> that's not a lie. watch/listen to his testimony before congress,
>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>> he contradicts himself numerous times, *under* *oath*.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Such as...???
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> comey claimed under oath that the fbi 'tried everything' to unlock the
>>>>>> san bernardino shooter's iphone. that was false. they did not try
>>>>>> everything. he lied.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> he also said under oath that only apple could unlock it and if they
>>>>>> could have unlocked it without apple's help, they would have done so
>>>>>> rather than file a lawsuit. another lie.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> then a few weeks after the hearing, the fbi suddenly 'found' a way by
>>>>>> contracting with a well established forensics company.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> why didn't they contact this company *before* the lawsuit?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> clearly they had not tried everything.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> comey also asked for people to call the fbi to help them unlock the
>>>>>> phone because maybe someone out there has an idea they had not tried.
>>>>>> that was pure bullshit.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> it turns out that several very knowledgeable people already had called
>>>>>> the fbi offering to assist them, including members of the iphone dev
>>>>>> team (who come up with the jailbreaks) and jonathan zdziarski, one of
>>>>>> the top ios security people on the planet (who also commented on the
>>>>>> fbi's numerous contradictions and completely bogus claims) only to be
>>>>>> told that the fbi had no interest in outside help.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> there were several other instances during his many hours long
>>>>>> testimony
>>>>>> where what he said either did not match reality or it contradicted
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> he had previously said, either prior to the hearing, during the
>>>>>> hearing
>>>>>> itself or in the legal briefs that were filed (which also had many of
>>>>>> their own false claims).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> when people make easily disproven claims and have stories that keep
>>>>>> changing, you know you're dealing with liars.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> he lied under oath. simple as that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I did not watch that testimony, but when people say they have tried
>>>>> everything it is not meant to be taken literally. I doubt, for
>>>>> example, they
>>>>> did shamanic rituals or sang lullabies to it.
>>>> 
>>>> He's nuts, you know...
>>>> 
>>>> When asked if Comey had finished his lunch, he said "Yes.  I ate
>>>> everything".
>>>> 
>>>> Another obvious lie, as he had not actually eaten "everything".  I know
>>>> because I also ate afterward, and I had plenty!
>>> 
>>> He was asked to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the
>>> truth.
>>> He did not tell ALL truths... thus not the whole truth. He lied!
>>> 
>>> What is amazing is Clinton supporters loved him when he opted to not
>>> indict.
>>> At first I was not happy with that decision but before attacking him I
>>> listened to the testimony. While I can see where others would disagree, I
>>> found it convincing and -- even though it was not the outcome I wanted
>>> -- I
>>> defended him as seemingly honorable. Clinton supporters loved it.
>>> 
>>> But then I noted what he actually said... they do not like that much.
>> 
>> Comey violated Justice Department rules.  More than once.  He commented
>> on an ongoing case, he made a public statement, he addressed Congress,
>> and sent follow-up letters in violation of Justice Dept regs and direct
>> advice from his superiors and watchdogs.
>> 
>> And, yet, when he had info on Trump weeks before the Hillary matter, he
>> refused to make any of it known because he thought it was too close to
>> the election and might sway voters and public opinion.
>> 
>> The EXACT opposite of what he did with the Clinton info.
>> He's a Republican, and he acted like it.  He has ZERO credibility any more.
> 
> As an interesting point...
> 
> If James Comey acted so very badly with bias in favour of Clinton...
> 
> ...why does he still have his job?

Bannon hasn't found a billionaire, neo-nazi, or white supremacist who 
wants the job.
...yet.


-- 
Regards,

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#100045

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2017-02-08 21:14 -0700
Message-ID<D4C13AD0.8F2F9%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to#100040
On 2/8/17, 7:37 PM, in article o7gkij$fgb$1@dont-email.me, "FPP"
<fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> He's nuts, you know...
>>> 
>>> When asked if Comey had finished his lunch, he said "Yes.  I ate
>>> everything".
>>> 
>>> Another obvious lie, as he had not actually eaten "everything".  I know
>>> because I also ate afterward, and I had plenty!
>> 
>> He was asked to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
>> He did not tell ALL truths... thus not the whole truth. He lied!
>> 
>> What is amazing is Clinton supporters loved him when he opted to not indict.
>> At first I was not happy with that decision but before attacking him I
>> listened to the testimony. While I can see where others would disagree, I
>> found it convincing and -- even though it was not the outcome I wanted -- I
>> defended him as seemingly honorable. Clinton supporters loved it.
>> 
>> But then I noted what he actually said... they do not like that much.
> 
> Comey violated Justice Department rules.  More than once.  He commented
> on an ongoing case, he made a public statement, he addressed Congress,
> and sent follow-up letters in violation of Justice Dept regs and direct
> advice from his superiors and watchdogs.

By all means list the rules. Keep in mind, though, that if we look JUST at
rules then it is clear Clinton broke the law in a way that should have made
her disqualified from holding public office. So you have to not just show
the law but also show the precedent that these rules and laws have lead to
any problems for people.

> And, yet, when he had info on Trump weeks before the Hillary matter, he
> refused to make any of it known because he thought it was too close to
> the election and might sway voters and public opinion.

What case do you mean?

> The EXACT opposite of what he did with the Clinton info.
> He's a Republican, and he acted like it.  He has ZERO credibility any more.

He VERY easily could have pushed to indict and her supporters cheered him
when he chose not to (and Clinton then promptly lied about what he said).

The Democrats were idiots to push her as a candidate. They handed us Trump.
Every one of her supporters has a hand in pushing Trump to the White House
(I mean the ones who pushed her before she was the nominee).



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#99967

Fromdorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Date2017-02-09 09:55 +1100
Message-ID<do_ray_me-544270.09555909022017@46.sub-75-242-165.myvzw.com>
In reply to#99941
In article <080220171418450383%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> he lied under oath. simple as that.

Everything is simple for you, but then you are that sort of simple 
black and white sort of guy, aren't you?

-- 
dorayme

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#99999

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-08 18:36 -0500
Message-ID<o7g9ug$isu$12@dont-email.me>
In reply to#99941
On 2017-02-08 14:18:45 -0500, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> said:

> In article <D4C0B787.8F1B2%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> Faced with the choice of believing the FBI or you, there is no contest.
>>>>> 
>>>>> the fbi is not immune to corruption and comey has also lied under oath.
>>>> 
>>>> Quote this lie...
>>>> 
>>>>> i watched him testify before congress for the apple-doj/fbi and the
>>>>> clinton debacle. within minutes, he lied in both, under oath and in
>>>>> front of congress.
>>> 
>>> that's not a lie. watch/listen to his testimony before congress, where
>>> he contradicts himself numerous times, *under* *oath*.
>> 
>> Such as...???
> 
> comey claimed under oath that the fbi 'tried everything' to unlock the
> san bernardino shooter's iphone. that was false. they did not try
> everything. he lied.
> 
> he also said under oath that only apple could unlock it and if they
> could have unlocked it without apple's help, they would have done so
> rather than file a lawsuit. another lie.
> 
> then a few weeks after the hearing, the fbi suddenly 'found' a way by
> contracting with a well established forensics company.
> 
> why didn't they contact this company *before* the lawsuit?
> 
> clearly they had not tried everything.
> 
> comey also asked for people to call the fbi to help them unlock the
> phone because maybe someone out there has an idea they had not tried.
> that was pure bullshit.
> 
> it turns out that several very knowledgeable people already had called
> the fbi offering to assist them, including members of the iphone dev
> team (who come up with the jailbreaks) and jonathan zdziarski, one of
> the top ios security people on the planet (who also commented on the
> fbi's numerous contradictions and completely bogus claims) only to be
> told that the fbi had no interest in outside help.
> 
> there were several other instances during his many hours long testimony
> where what he said either did not match reality or it contradicted what
> he had previously said, either prior to the hearing, during the hearing
> itself or in the legal briefs that were filed (which also had many of
> their own false claims).
> 
> when people make easily disproven claims and have stories that keep
> changing, you know you're dealing with liars.
> 
> he lied under oath. simple as that.

Simple as *you*.
-- 
"Now Trump and his minions are in the driver’s seat, attempting to pose 
as respectable participants in American politics, when their views come 
out of a playbook written in German."  -Ron Rosenbaum, Author of 
'Explaining Hitler'
https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/normalization-lesson-munich-post/

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#99943

FromAlan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
Date2017-02-08 11:23 -0800
Message-ID<o7fr8d$tn6$2@news.datemas.de>
In reply to#99928
On 2017-02-08 10:46 AM, nospam wrote:
> In article <o7e0bn$n89$2@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
> <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>
>>>> Faced with the choice of believing the FBI or you, there is no contest.
>>>
>>> the fbi is not immune to corruption and comey has also lied under oath.
>>
>> Quote this lie...
>>
>>> i watched him testify before congress for the apple-doj/fbi and the
>>> clinton debacle. within minutes, he lied in both, under oath and in
>>> front of congress.
>
> that's not a lie. watch/listen to his testimony before congress, where
> he contradicts himself numerous times, *under* *oath*.
>

You're the one making the claim...

...so produce some examples.

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#99998

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-08 18:35 -0500
Message-ID<o7g9t4$isu$11@dont-email.me>
In reply to#99928
On 2017-02-08 13:46:19 -0500, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> said:

> In article <o7e0bn$n89$2@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
> <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> 
>>>> Faced with the choice of believing the FBI or you, there is no contest.
>>> 
>>> the fbi is not immune to corruption and comey has also lied under oath.
>> 
>> Quote this lie...
>> 
>>> i watched him testify before congress for the apple-doj/fbi and the
>>> clinton debacle. within minutes, he lied in both, under oath and in
>>> front of congress.
> 
> that's not a lie. watch/listen to his testimony before congress, where
> he contradicts himself numerous times, *under* *oath*.

Why don't you just show us?

Hint:  We KNOW why you won't show us...
-- 
"Now Trump and his minions are in the driver’s seat, attempting to pose 
as respectable participants in American politics, when their views come 
out of a playbook written in German."  -Ron Rosenbaum, Author of 
'Explaining Hitler'
https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/normalization-lesson-munich-post/

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#99997

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-08 18:35 -0500
Message-ID<o7g9rv$isu$10@dont-email.me>
In reply to#99807
On 2017-02-07 21:03:39 -0500, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> said:

> In article <o7bbr7$89j$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> 1. You have no clue that Comey acted in any way improperly to benefit
>>>>>> Clinton.
>>>>> 
>>>>> the simple fact he didn't prosecute her is proof. had anyone other than
>>>>> her done the same thing, they'd be in jail.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2. The fact of his second announcement just before the election makes it
>>>>>> look far more like the whole thing was a setup to hurt her improperly at
>>>>>> the worse possible moment.
>>>>> 
>>>>> because he knew what she did.
>>>> 
>>>> he didn't
>>> 
>>> if he really didn't know what she did, then he's unfit to be the
>>> director of the fbi, who, along with a team of agents, supposedly
>>> investigated her. how could he not know?
>> 
>> How can you not know?
>> 
>> Faced with the choice of believing the FBI or you, there is no contest.
> 
> the fbi is not immune to corruption and comey has also lied under oath.
> 
> i watched him testify before congress for the apple-doj/fbi and the
> clinton debacle. within minutes, he lied in both, under oath and in
> front of congress.

Then show where he lied.
-- 
"Now Trump and his minions are in the driver’s seat, attempting to pose 
as respectable participants in American politics, when their views come 
out of a playbook written in German."  -Ron Rosenbaum, Author of 
'Explaining Hitler'
https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/normalization-lesson-munich-post/

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#100138

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-09 18:09 -0500
Message-ID<o7isnp$unj$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#99997
On 2017-02-08 23:35:07 +0000, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> said:

> On 2017-02-07 21:03:39 -0500, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> said:
> 
>> In article <o7bbr7$89j$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>> 1. You have no clue that Comey acted in any way improperly to benefit
>>>>>>> Clinton.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> the simple fact he didn't prosecute her is proof. had anyone other than
>>>>>> her done the same thing, they'd be in jail.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2. The fact of his second announcement just before the election makes it
>>>>>>> look far more like the whole thing was a setup to hurt her improperly at
>>>>>>> the worse possible moment.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> because he knew what she did.
>>>>> 
>>>>> he didn't
>>>> 
>>>> if he really didn't know what she did, then he's unfit to be the
>>>> director of the fbi, who, along with a team of agents, supposedly
>>>> investigated her. how could he not know?
>>> 
>>> How can you not know?
>>> 
>>> Faced with the choice of believing the FBI or you, there is no contest.
>> 
>> the fbi is not immune to corruption and comey has also lied under oath.
>> 
>> i watched him testify before congress for the apple-doj/fbi and the
>> clinton debacle. within minutes, he lied in both, under oath and in
>> front of congress.
> 
> Then show where he lied.

Still waiting...
-- 
"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty," -Thos. Jefferson
Tiny hands... yoooge asshole.

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#100146

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2017-02-09 17:09 -0700
Message-ID<D4C252B8.8F4EE%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to#100138
On 2/9/17, 4:09 PM, in article o7isnp$unj$7@dont-email.me, "FPP"
<fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> the fbi is not immune to corruption and comey has also lied under oath.
>>> 
>>> i watched him testify before congress for the apple-doj/fbi and the
>>> clinton debacle. within minutes, he lied in both, under oath and in
>>> front of congress.
>> 
>> Then show where he lied.
> 
> Still waiting...

You keep posting that phrase as you discount ALL the content of Comey's
testimony AND all of the following content about Clinton. Interesting.


Just a small sampling of where Clinton has been deceptive or lied.

* Her emails: she repeatedly claims she merely did what others have done but
has yet to name even one other who had a private email server installed in
their house. NO examples of someone truly doing as she did. She could argue
that this allowed her to make the email more private and try to turn it into
a positive, but her dishonesty on this at least makes it seem she has
something to hide - perhaps emails that should be public that she does not
want others to see. She also committed perjury and said she released all
emails when she had not (and later admitted to) and of the deleted emails
she said many went to her husband who publicly says he does not use email!
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/14/state-dept-cites-gaps-hillar
y-clinton-email-record/?page=all
https://youtu.be/T0Xtv1QMzy0
https://youtu.be/jzA-NEmAQaQ?t=8m40s

* Her speeches: She refuses to release them. Why not? She gives the
impression that either the speeches have info in them that she does not want
out or that they are mundane enough to make it so the payments for them were
payoffs. Either way she looks bad. She again refuses to be open. Oh, and she
lies about them time and time again:
https://www.facebook.com/itstheGADFLY/videos/1141125379240531/

* She argues against the fact that she is the establishment candidate. She
is - if there was any question the super delegate (establishment) votes
prove it. Instead of being honest and speaking about how this can be an
advantage she lies and denies. Why not instead speak about how she and
Sanders want many of there same things but as the establishment candidate
she has more connections and more influence and will be able to get more
done. She COULD be (mostly) honest and point out the benefits (showing the
good side is what we all do in an interview... I get that).

* She claims to not want to speak of the 1990s, whining often when Sanders
brings the time up. She, however, repeatedly brings up the 1990s. This
happens time and time again in the debates. More than that, when you run for
president it is completely predictable that your past record will be asked
about... to complain about people doing so is immature and silly. She at
least comes across as having something to hide and deflecting.
 
* She feels the need to repeatedly twist Sanders' record. The Washington
Post goes into some detail here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/10/5-times-hillary-cl
inton-has-played-fast-and-loose-with-the-facts-on-bernie-sanderss-record.
She makes things up about or twists Sanders' record on immigration, the auto
bailout, the Minutemen, the Koch brothers, his work with bank regulation,
and more. At the very least this indicates she is afraid of his growing
popularity and is playing dirty to try to win the candidacy. She shows she
does not think she can stand on her own record.

* Her answer about fracking was wordy and never really answered the question
(a common theme with her, really). Mother Jones has an article about a
likely reason why: 
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shal
e-state-department-chevron If she thinks fracking should be used why does
she not just say she is for it (and then can add that she wants to make sure
it is well regulated). Why the deception and double talk from her?

* Her comments on immigration were anything but clear, too. More on that
from the New York Post:
http://nypost.com/2016/03/11/immigration-experts-have-no-idea-what-hillary-i
s-talking-about/ She repeatedly talks in circles and does not give clear
answers.

* Her comments about health care. When Sanders speaks of healthcare for all
she says it would cost too much... but then in the next moment she says she
wants to expand ObamaCare so that it covers healthcare for all (not just
90%). She cannot just give a clear answer.

* Lying about not knowing where Sanders was as she pushed for better health
care. 
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/272790-sanders-spokes
person-fires-back-at-clinton-for-healthcare

* On her own voting record she is just as unclear. The Onion had fun with
this fact with this article:
http://www.theonion.com/article/clinton-throws-flash-grenade-divert-attentio
n-ques-52499 Clearly that is satire, but the point it makes is serious - she
repeatedly gives non-answers to questions.

* Repeatedly it seems like after breaks she has stronger answers to
questions. I (and others) have hypothesized that she is getting assistance
from her advisers. Now there seems to be direct evidence to back this up:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sanders-campaign-says-this-photo-proves-clinton-b
roke-rules-during-univision-debate/ She at least seems to be unable to play
by the rules.

* She backs supporters of hers even when they act badly - in one example
going so far as to play the sexist card claiming that there is a special
place in hell for women who back Sanders.

* Her husband at the very least skirts campaign laws by even hanging around
polling places and blocking people in strong Sanders areas from voting:
http://mediaite.com/a/vkkzf and
http://www.snopes.com/clinton-campaign-laws-massachusetts/

* Her husband also sinks to saying Sanders' supporters, who back his fight
for greater equality, are just as bad as Trump supporters who fight heavily
against equality.

* Lying about the Reagan's response to the HIV/AIDS crisis. I will grant and
commend her for retracting this praise... and as such can see it as more of
a mistake than a lie. I leave it on this list because I previously noted the
inaccuracy of her claim.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/11/hillary-clin
ton-apologizes-for-praising-nancy-reagans-response-to-hivaids/

* Lying about where her funding comes from and trying to sounds like she is
similar to Sanders in this.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/clinton-claim-small-donors-mostly-false-politifac
t-finds

* Her lie about avoiding a New York debate because of Sanders' tone when
everyone know it is because she fears it will harm her chances of winning
the state. In the past she has directly said "You should be willing to
debate anytime, anywhere.":
https://www.facebook.com/berniesanders/videos/1016591345062536/

* She lied when Sanders noted her money from the oil industry. Worse than
that, she lost her temper over it... even though she used the SAME attack
against Obama when she was running against him.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/01/politics/hillary-clinton-oil-gas-donations-oba
ma/ and her ad against Obama: https://youtu.be/3satJnoBXi8  She refuses to
sign the agreement Sanders did to NOT take oil money, maybe because she has
had massive amounts of oil money flow into the Clinton Foundation:
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/04/09/oil-money-flowed-clinton-turned-
back-rights-abuses-colombia-report

* Her fighting against Sanders for the $15 / hour minimum wage and then in
New York working with the people fighting for it pretending she was backing
it the whole time and is with them on their fight.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-na-clinton-minimum-wage-20160404-s
tory.html



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use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

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