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Mac Malware

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First post2017-03-08 08:44 +0000
Last post2017-03-12 23:19 -0400
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  Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-08 08:44 +0000
    Re: Mac Malware android <here@there.was> - 2017-03-08 10:20 +0100
    Re: Mac Malware Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2017-03-08 10:38 +0100
    Re: Mac Malware Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-03-08 09:39 +0000
      Re: Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-10 16:33 +0000
    Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-08 15:07 +0000
      Re: Mac Malware michaelunowho@gmail.com - 2017-03-09 14:34 -0800
      Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 18:22 -0500
        Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-09 23:27 +0000
          Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 03:23 -0500
            Re: Mac Malware android <here@there.was> - 2017-03-10 09:43 +0100
              Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-11 06:16 -0500
                Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-13 07:26 +0000
      Re: Mac Malware Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-11 11:24 -0500
    Re: Mac Malware Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-03-08 11:17 -0500
      Re: Mac Malware dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-09 07:43 +1100
      Re: Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-10 16:39 +0000
        Re: Mac Malware Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-03-10 18:55 -0500
    Re: Mac Malware Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-09 14:25 -0500
      Re: Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-10 16:31 +0000
        Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-10 11:44 -0500
        Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-10 16:45 +0000
          Knock-knock (Was: Re: Mac Malware) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-11 11:10 +0000
          Re: Mac Malware Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-11 11:28 -0500
            Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-11 16:32 +0000
              Re: Mac Malware Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-11 11:53 -0500
        Re: Mac Malware Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-10 11:22 -0700
          Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-10 13:45 -0500
            Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-10 19:27 +0000
              Re: Mac Malware Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-11 13:41 -0500
                Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-11 20:05 +0000
                  Re: Mac Malware Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-11 19:39 -0500
                  Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-12 16:44 -0400
                    Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-12 16:55 -0400
                      Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-13 07:22 -0400
                        Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-13 14:42 +0000
                          Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 03:36 -0400
                            Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-15 09:59 -0400
                              Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 06:04 -0400
                                Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-16 14:46 +0000
                                Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-16 10:55 -0400
                            Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-15 15:45 +0000
                              Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 06:09 -0400
                                Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-16 14:48 +0000
                                Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-16 10:55 -0400
                        Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-13 11:50 -0400
                    Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-12 22:25 +0000
                      Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-13 07:26 -0400
                        Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-13 14:06 +0000
                        Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-13 14:45 +0000
                          Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 03:38 -0400
                            Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-15 15:47 +0000
                              Re: Mac Malware Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-03-15 10:18 -0700
                                Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-15 13:21 -0400
                                  Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 06:13 -0400
                                    Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-17 04:07 +0000
                                Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-15 17:25 +0000
                              Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 06:11 -0400
                                Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-16 10:55 -0400
                                  Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 07:14 -0400
                                    Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-18 14:49 +0000
                        Re: Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-13 15:22 +0000
                          Re: Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-13 15:35 +0000
                        Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-13 11:50 -0400
                          Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 03:40 -0400
                        Re: Mac Malware YK <xxxxx@dialme.com> - 2017-04-03 12:19 -0400
            Re: Mac Malware Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-10 14:14 -0700
              Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-10 16:53 -0500
                Re: Mac Malware Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-11 09:04 -0700
                  Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-11 16:26 +0000
                    Re: Mac Malware Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-11 17:24 -0700
                  Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-11 12:54 -0500
                  Re: Mac Malware Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-03-11 17:01 -0500
                    Re: Mac Malware Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-11 17:21 -0700
                      Re: Mac Malware Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-03-11 23:23 -0500
                        Re: Mac Malware Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-12 04:23 -0600
          Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-10 19:25 +0000
            Re: Mac Malware Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-10 14:04 -0700
          Re: Mac Malware Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-03-10 23:24 +0000
            Re: Mac Malware dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-11 13:35 +1100
          Re: Mac Malware Don Bruder <Don@sonic.net> - 2017-03-10 19:07 -0800
            Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-10 22:11 -0500
            Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-11 08:14 +0000
            Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-11 11:27 +0000
            Re: Mac Malware Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-03-11 12:13 -0600
              Re: Mac Malware Don Bruder <Don@sonic.net> - 2017-03-11 18:16 -0800
              Re: Mac Malware befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2017-03-13 09:42 +0100
          Re: Mac Malware Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-11 11:38 -0500
        Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-11 11:03 +0000
          Re: Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-11 11:46 +0000
            Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-11 13:55 +0000
            Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-11 14:17 +0000
              Re: Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-12 08:51 +0000
            Re: Mac Malware Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-03-11 17:58 +0000
              Re: Mac Malware Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-03-11 18:10 +0000
                Re: Mac Malware Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-03-12 14:36 +0000
                  Re: Mac Malware Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-03-12 11:34 -0400
                    Re: Mac Malware Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-03-13 22:46 +0000
                      Re: Mac Malware Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-03-16 13:27 -0400
                        Re: Mac Malware Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-03-16 19:46 +0000
          Re: Mac Malware John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2017-03-11 23:14 -0500
            Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-11 23:31 -0500
              Re: Mac Malware John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2017-03-12 23:18 -0400
                Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-12 23:20 -0400
            Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-12 14:16 +0000
              Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-14 09:48 +0000
                Re: Mac Malware dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-15 01:21 +1300
                Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-14 15:19 +0000
                  Re: Mac Malware gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-03-14 15:01 -0700
                    Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-14 22:13 +0000
                      Re: Mac Malware gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-03-14 15:35 -0700
                        Re: Mac Malware gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-03-14 15:45 -0700
                          Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-15 00:16 +0000
                            Re: Mac Malware gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-03-15 10:55 -0700
                        Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-15 00:14 +0000
                          Re: Mac Malware gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-03-15 10:54 -0700
                Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 03:43 -0400
            Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-12 16:14 +0000
              Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-12 16:34 +0000
                Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-12 20:33 +0000
                  Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-12 22:26 +0000
                    Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-13 07:31 -0400
                  Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-15 08:31 +0000
                    Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-15 09:59 -0400
                      Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-16 08:59 +0000
                        Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-16 10:55 -0400
                          Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-16 22:08 +0000
                            Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-16 18:48 -0400
                              Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-21 18:57 +0000
                    Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-15 15:00 +0000
                      Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-16 08:59 +0000
                        Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-16 14:16 +0000
                          Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-16 22:08 +0000
                            Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-16 18:48 -0400
                              Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-16 23:33 +0000
                            Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-16 23:33 +0000
                              Re: Mac Malware dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-17 13:56 +1300
                                Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-17 16:01 +0000
                                  Re: Mac Malware dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-18 10:17 +1300
                                    Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-17 21:53 +0000
                                    Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-18 14:46 +0000
                                      Re: Mac Malware dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-19 10:48 +1300
                                  Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-18 14:23 +0000
                                    Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-18 11:17 -0400
                                      Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-19 16:44 +0000
                                      Re: Mac Malware befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2017-03-20 11:02 +0100
                          Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-17 04:01 +0000
                            Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-17 15:30 +0000
                              Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-18 14:10 +0000
                                Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-18 14:56 +0000
                                  Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-19 16:43 +0000
                                    Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-19 16:57 +0000
                        Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-17 03:59 +0000
                          Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-21 18:57 +0000
                            Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-21 15:06 -0400
                              Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-23 07:51 +0000
                            Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-21 20:42 +0000
                              Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-23 07:51 +0000
                            Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-23 05:09 +0000
              Re: Mac Malware John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2017-03-12 23:19 -0400

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#102215

FromJohn Albert <j.albert@snet.net>
Date2017-03-11 23:14 -0500
Message-ID<TW3xA.24187$IX2.5072@fx03.iad>
In reply to#102188
On 3/11/17 6:03 AM, Lewis wrote:
> Well, since the odds of anyone actually /having/ malware are near
> zero...

After 30 years of Mac'ing, I finally had an appearance of 
malware/adware a few days ago.

I was trying some kind of YouTube download extension for 
Safari, can't even remember the name at the moment.
(Safari 6.2.8 running on OS 10.8.5)

I routinely run Malwarebytes Anti-Malware for Mac, since I 
have it and it takes but a few moments. And this time, it 
had two "hits" for [what I think it called] adware related 
to the new extension. It offered to remove it, and I clicked 
ok. It showed the stuff as having been removed.

Subsequent re-runs of Malwarebytes show nothing to report.

Aside:
I've noticed that the latest versions of Safari don't seem 
to cooperate with any older extensions designed to grab 
video from YouTube. Things that still work back in 10.8 
won't work or even install in Safari 10.x on El Capitan.

I'm going to guess that Apple has come to some agreement 
with YouTube (that's google, is it?) to actively block 
downloading of content, whether it be through Flash or HTML5.

On the other hand, Firefox and Opera both can still do the 
job quite well.

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#102217

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2017-03-11 23:31 -0500
Message-ID<110320172331447209%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#102215
In article <TW3xA.24187$IX2.5072@fx03.iad>, John Albert
<j.albert@snet.net> wrote:

> I've noticed that the latest versions of Safari don't seem 
> to cooperate with any older extensions designed to grab 
> video from YouTube. Things that still work back in 10.8 
> won't work or even install in Safari 10.x on El Capitan.

try updating the extensions.

there is no issue with youtube download extensions and recent versions
of safari.

> I'm going to guess that Apple has come to some agreement 
> with YouTube (that's google, is it?) to actively block 
> downloading of content, whether it be through Flash or HTML5.

your guess is absolutely wrong.

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#102245

FromJohn Albert <j.albert@snet.net>
Date2017-03-12 23:18 -0400
Message-ID<1coxA.11368$Y11.6422@fx12.iad>
In reply to#102217
On 3/11/17 11:31 PM, nospam wrote:
> there is no issue with youtube download extensions and recent versions
> of safari.

OK, then.
Which ones would you suggest I try?

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#102247

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2017-03-12 23:20 -0400
Message-ID<120320172320104740%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#102245
In article <1coxA.11368$Y11.6422@fx12.iad>, John Albert
<j.albert@snet.net> wrote:

> > there is no issue with youtube download extensions and recent versions
> > of safari.
> 
> OK, then.
> Which ones would you suggest I try?

<https://kwizzu.com>

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#102222

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2017-03-12 14:16 +0000
Message-ID<eil3i1FcfrcU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#102215
John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> wrote:
> On 3/11/17 6:03 AM, Lewis wrote:
>> Well, since the odds of anyone actually /having/ malware are near
>> zero...
> 
> After 30 years of Mac'ing, I finally had an appearance of 
> malware/adware a few days ago.
> 
> I was trying some kind of YouTube download extension for 
> Safari, can't even remember the name at the moment.
> (Safari 6.2.8 running on OS 10.8.5)

Did you download that thing from a site like VersionTracker, MacUpdate, or
CNET Downloads? All three of those services are well-known for modifying
installers on their sites to add adware to them. 

As a rule, I never download software through third parties. And I also
always look at the file listing in Apple's installer app (available in the
menu bar once the installer is running) to see exactly what will be
installed. If I see anything questionable, I don't install until I know
what it is.

> Aside:
> I've noticed that the latest versions of Safari don't seem 
> to cooperate with any older extensions designed to grab 
> video from YouTube. Things that still work back in 10.8 
> won't work or even install in Safari 10.x on El Capitan.

Which extensions are you talking about in particular? I've been using an
app called MacX YouTube Downloader for a while, and while it's a little
clunky compared with an in-browser extension, it works great.

> I'm going to guess that Apple has come to some agreement 
> with YouTube (that's google, is it?) to actively block 
> downloading of content, whether it be through Flash or HTML5.
> 
> On the other hand, Firefox and Opera both can still do the 
> job quite well.

Nah. It's all Youtube trying to prevent people from downloading their
videos. Apple's not involved.

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JR

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#102294

Fromdcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen)
Date2017-03-14 09:48 +0000
Message-ID<1n2tehq.15tobgy1fghra5N%dcohenspam@talktalk.net>
In reply to#102222
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> Did you download that thing from a site like VersionTracker, MacUpdate, or
> CNET Downloads? All three of those services are well-known for modifying
> installers on their sites to add adware to them. 
> 
> As a rule, I never download software through third parties.

I agree about going to the developer's site, and also about
VersionTracker and CNET.

Are you correct about MacUpdate? I know that they introduced this at one
point and got a very negative response from users. I never heard if the
went back to the better policy as a result or if they stayed with
including adware. They lost me when they started this, so I never
checked to see if they still do it.
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#102298

Fromdempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date2017-03-15 01:21 +1300
Message-ID<1n2wlh4.1cvn06gf8065yN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
In reply to#102294
Daniel Cohen <dcohenspam@talktalk.net> wrote:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > Did you download that thing from a site like VersionTracker, MacUpdate, or
> > CNET Downloads? All three of those services are well-known for modifying
> > installers on their sites to add adware to them. 
> > 
> > As a rule, I never download software through third parties.
> 
> I agree about going to the developer's site, and also about
> VersionTracker and CNET.
> 
> Are you correct about MacUpdate? I know that they introduced this at one
> point and got a very negative response from users.

MacUpdate has gone through several phases of messing with downloads.

I recall a period where selected items would give you a download of
something infested with adware and/or try to install MacUpdate Desktop.
This prompted enough complaints that I think they stopped, until they
came up with a new scheme.

> I never heard if the went back to the better policy as a result or if they
> stayed with including adware. They lost me when they started this, so I
> never checked to see if they still do it.

The revised scheme (in the order of two years ago) appeared to be that
all downloads gave you adware or MacUpdate Desktop instead of what you
wanted, unless you were signed into the web site (even with a free
account), in which case the download was not modified. I continued
downloading files via MacUpdate during this phase.

I stopped downloading anything from them recently, when I found that a
download had been modified despite the fact that I was signed in to the
MacUpdate web site. I now only look at their main page occasionally to
see if I've missed any updates of things I have installed but haven't
used recently. I then go directly to the developer's site (not via
MacUpdate's detail page or developer link) to do the actual download.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#102300

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2017-03-14 15:19 +0000
Message-ID<eiqg0lFf0hbU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#102294
Daniel Cohen <dcohenspam@talktalk.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
>> Did you download that thing from a site like VersionTracker, MacUpdate, or
>> CNET Downloads? All three of those services are well-known for modifying
>> installers on their sites to add adware to them. 
>> 
>> As a rule, I never download software through third parties.
> 
> I agree about going to the developer's site, and also about
> VersionTracker and CNET.
> 
> Are you correct about MacUpdate? I know that they introduced this at one
> point and got a very negative response from users. I never heard if the
> went back to the better policy as a result or if they stayed with
> including adware. They lost me when they started this, so I never
> checked to see if they still do it.

Yep, I'm sure of it. They are NOT to be trusted.

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#102328

Fromgtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Date2017-03-14 15:01 -0700
Message-ID<oa9p7j$tgv$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#102300
On 2017-03-14 15:19:49 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> Daniel Cohen <dcohenspam@talktalk.net> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Did you download that thing from a site like VersionTracker, MacUpdate, or
>>> CNET Downloads? All three of those services are well-known for modifying
>>> installers on their sites to add adware to them.
>>> 
>>> As a rule, I never download software through third parties.
>> 
>> I agree about going to the developer's site, and also about
>> VersionTracker and CNET.
>> 
>> Are you correct about MacUpdate? I know that they introduced this at one
>> point and got a very negative response from users. I never heard if the
>> went back to the better policy as a result or if they stayed with
>> including adware. They lost me when they started this, so I never
>> checked to see if they still do it.
> 
> Yep, I'm sure of it. They are NOT to be trusted.

I've used them for about four years and have had no problems with 
adware.  A couple of years ago they were messing up some downloads 
though, leaving the program inoperable.  For this reason I started 
using their system only to *find out* which of my apps needed updating, 
and then updating them myself.

They managed to correct that issue and so for about two years I've let 
them do the updating of apps directly.  Again no issues.  Recently they 
set it up so they will only update 5 apps each month for free, but if 
you subscribe they'll do as many as you deem necessary.

Again, I've had no issue with them relative to adware.

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#102330

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2017-03-14 22:13 +0000
Message-ID<eir87rFjubnU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#102328
gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> On 2017-03-14 15:19:49 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
> 
>> Daniel Cohen <dcohenspam@talktalk.net> wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Did you download that thing from a site like VersionTracker, MacUpdate, or
>>>> CNET Downloads? All three of those services are well-known for modifying
>>>> installers on their sites to add adware to them.
>>>> 
>>>> As a rule, I never download software through third parties.
>>> 
>>> I agree about going to the developer's site, and also about
>>> VersionTracker and CNET.
>>> 
>>> Are you correct about MacUpdate? I know that they introduced this at one
>>> point and got a very negative response from users. I never heard if the
>>> went back to the better policy as a result or if they stayed with
>>> including adware. They lost me when they started this, so I never
>>> checked to see if they still do it.
>> 
>> Yep, I'm sure of it. They are NOT to be trusted.
> 
> I've used them for about four years and have had no problems with 
> adware.  

You are a paying customer, right? IIRC, they don't foist adware installers
on their paying customers (oh, how gracious of them to extort money just
for ad-free installers! Praise be!).

> A couple of years ago they were messing up some downloads 
> though, leaving the program inoperable.  

They are still bundling adware in their downloaded installers:

<https://blog.malwarebytes.com/cybercrime/2015/11/has-macupdate-fallen-to-the-adware-plague/>

<http://mjtsai.com/blog/2015/11/04/macupdate-adware-installers/>

> For this reason I started 
> using their system only to *find out* which of my apps needed updating, 
> and then updating them myself.

The only way I recommend using macupdate or any other software tracking
site is to use it strictly as a reference and go directly to the source to
actually download the software.

> They managed to correct that issue and so for about two years I've let 
> them do the updating of apps directly.  

Yep - paying customer. MacUpdate Desktop isn't free last I checked, right?

> Again no issues.  

You'll need to try it without being logged in and after deleting all of
their cookies to see the adware infested installers. And you'd have to
download them directly from the web site rather than through MacUpdate
Desktop.

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#102331

Fromgtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Date2017-03-14 15:35 -0700
Message-ID<oa9r8a$tin$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#102330
On 2017-03-14 22:13:15 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> On 2017-03-14 15:19:49 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>> 
>>> Daniel Cohen <dcohenspam@talktalk.net> wrote:
>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Did you download that thing from a site like VersionTracker, MacUpdate, or
>>>>> CNET Downloads? All three of those services are well-known for modifying
>>>>> installers on their sites to add adware to them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As a rule, I never download software through third parties.
>>>> 
>>>> I agree about going to the developer's site, and also about
>>>> VersionTracker and CNET.
>>>> 
>>>> Are you correct about MacUpdate? I know that they introduced this at one
>>>> point and got a very negative response from users. I never heard if the
>>>> went back to the better policy as a result or if they stayed with
>>>> including adware. They lost me when they started this, so I never
>>>> checked to see if they still do it.
>>> 
>>> Yep, I'm sure of it. They are NOT to be trusted.
>> 
>> I've used them for about four years and have had no problems with
>> adware.
> 
> You are a paying customer, right?

No.  At some point in the past I was a subscriber, I believe.  But I 
was spending a lot of time overseas and away from the computer, so I 
unhooked from them.  Since then I have only used the app occasionally 
to see what needed updating.  I additionally make use of their periodic 
software bundles where I've managed to get discounts on software I find 
too expensive.

They have recently changed their modus operandi and are now charging 
$20/6 mo. for their service.

> IIRC, they don't foist adware installers
> on their paying customers (oh, how gracious of them to extort money just
> for ad-free installers! Praise be!).
> 
>> A couple of years ago they were messing up some downloads
>> though, leaving the program inoperable.
> 
> They are still bundling adware in their downloaded installers:
> 
> <https://blog.malwarebytes.com/cybercrime/2015/11/has-macupdate-fallen-to-the-adware-plague/> 
> 
> 
> <http://mjtsai.com/blog/2015/11/04/macupdate-adware-installers/>

I searched for "adware" at the MacUpdate support page and instructions 
on this Yahoo installer was the only information I got.  Perhaps their 
complicity in this download is to be considered.

>> For this reason I started
>> using their system only to *find out* which of my apps needed updating,
>> and then updating them myself.
> 
> The only way I recommend using macupdate or any other software tracking
> site is to use it strictly as a reference and go directly to the source to
> actually download the software.
> 
>> They managed to correct that issue and so for about two years I've let
>> them do the updating of apps directly.
> 
> Yep - paying customer. MacUpdate Desktop isn't free last I checked, right?'

Not any more, no.  They ended it only a week or so ago.

>> Again no issues.
> 
> You'll need to try it without being logged in and after deleting all of
> their cookies to see the adware infested installers. And you'd have to
> download them directly from the web site rather than through MacUpdate
> Desktop.

It's very rare that I would go to MacUpdate's page directly to download 
an update for a program; I tend to go to the software company's page 
directly.

I always appreciate your recommendations, and certainly give them great 
credibility. But it does make me wonder how MacUpdate could have 
financial arrangements with so many significant software companies with 
their "bundleware" discounts if they produced adware installations.

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#102332

Fromgtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Date2017-03-14 15:45 -0700
Message-ID<oa9rql$t8t$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#102331
Apparently most of the MacUpdate offenses took place in late 2015 and 
may have extended into 2016, accompanied by hand-wringing by those 
folks, including developers, who trusted MacUpdate. I see no indication 
of a mea culpa on their part, on the other hand all the chatter on the 
topic seems to be limited to a period from late 2015 until early 2016.

I wonder if they have cleaned it up.  It's no way to run a business, 
that's for sure; one significant lapse of ethics is certainly enough 
for a lot of people to pull the plug.  Had I experienced it in November 
of 2015, I feel sure I would have done the same.

But I didn't.  Unfortunately for MacUpdate's new paradigm ($20@6 
months), I was teetering on subscribing and will have to reassess.

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#102338

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2017-03-15 00:16 +0000
Message-ID<eirfesFkt2uU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#102332
On 2017-03-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> Apparently most of the MacUpdate offenses took place in late 2015 and 
> may have extended into 2016, accompanied by hand-wringing by those 
> folks, including developers, who trusted MacUpdate. I see no indication 
> of a mea culpa on their part, on the other hand all the chatter on the 
> topic seems to be limited to a period from late 2015 until early 2016.
> 
> I wonder if they have cleaned it up.  It's no way to run a business, 
> that's for sure; one significant lapse of ethics is certainly enough 
> for a lot of people to pull the plug.  Had I experienced it in November 
> of 2015, I feel sure I would have done the same.
>
> But I didn't.  Unfortunately for MacUpdate's new paradigm ($20@6 
> months), I was teetering on subscribing and will have to reassess.

"Fool me once..." ; )

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#102388

Fromgtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Date2017-03-15 10:55 -0700
Message-ID<oabv6l$cth$2@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#102338
On 2017-03-15 00:16:29 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> On 2017-03-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> Apparently most of the MacUpdate offenses took place in late 2015 and
>> may have extended into 2016, accompanied by hand-wringing by those
>> folks, including developers, who trusted MacUpdate. I see no indication
>> of a mea culpa on their part, on the other hand all the chatter on the
>> topic seems to be limited to a period from late 2015 until early 2016.
>> 
>> I wonder if they have cleaned it up.  It's no way to run a business,
>> that's for sure; one significant lapse of ethics is certainly enough
>> for a lot of people to pull the plug.  Had I experienced it in November
>> of 2015, I feel sure I would have done the same.
>> 
>> But I didn't.  Unfortunately for MacUpdate's new paradigm ($20@6
>> months), I was teetering on subscribing and will have to reassess.
> 
> "Fool me once..." ; )

I've yet to be fooled once.

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#102337

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2017-03-15 00:14 +0000
Message-ID<eirfbhFkt2uU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#102331
On 2017-03-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> On 2017-03-14 22:13:15 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>> On 2017-03-14 15:19:49 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>> 
>>>> Yep, I'm sure of it. They are NOT to be trusted.
>>> 
>>> I've used them for about four years and have had no problems with
>>> adware.
>> 
>> You are a paying customer, right?
>
> No.  At some point in the past I was a subscriber, I believe.

Subscriber? Meaning you paid them money? What makes you think they
couldn't have purposefully give paying customers ad-free isntallers
while giving non-paying visitors adware-infested installers?

> Since then I have only used the app occasionally to see what needed
> updating.i

My point was you *paid* for MacUpdate Desktop - it's *not* free.

BTW, I don't suppose you ever saw an ad for MacKeeper (a well-known Mac
malware trojan) while using MacUpdate Desktop? Others surely have:

<https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7198413>

Others have noticed that MacUpdate actually omitted adware from paying
customer downloads:

"Update (Nov. 3, 2015): It turns out that this is now a “feature” of
MacUpdate. If you are a paid member of MacUpdate and are logged in, you
won’t see the adware installers. If you are not logged in, you will see
them. This is evidently configurable in the profile preferences on a
paid MacUpdate account, though not having such an account, I can’t
provide specifics."

<https://blog.malwarebytes.com/cybercrime/2015/11/has-macupdate-fallen-to-the-adware-plague/>

> They have recently changed their modus operandi and are now charging
> $20/6 mo. for their service.

Too little, too late, IMO. Fucking their visitors by bundling adware in
installers downloaded from their web site, and pushing malware like
MacKeeper on their paying customer, means they *cannot* and *will* not
be trusted by me. They've burned themselves for eternity in my eyes. 

>> IIRC, they don't foist adware installers on their paying customers
>> (oh, how gracious of them to extort money just for ad-free
>> installers! Praise be!).
>> 
>>> A couple of years ago they were messing up some downloads though,
>>> leaving the program inoperable.
 
"I’ve also been told that the MacUpdate Desktop app will download the
real app rather than the adware installer, though I’m unclear as to
whether that only applies to a paid copy of MacUpdate Desktop."

<https://blog.malwarebytes.com/cybercrime/2015/11/has-macupdate-fallen-to-the-adware-plague/>

>> They are still bundling adware in their downloaded installers:
>> 
>> <https://blog.malwarebytes.com/cybercrime/2015/11/has-macupdate-fallen-to-the-adware-plague/> 
>> 
>> 
>> <http://mjtsai.com/blog/2015/11/04/macupdate-adware-installers/>
>
> I searched for "adware" at the MacUpdate support page and instructions
> on this Yahoo installer was the only information I got.

That's not proof that they don't bundle adware with installers
downloaded from their website; rather it's proof that their support
department was likely so inundated by calls for help and complaints by
visitors about them bundling Yahoo adware in their installers that they
decided to create a support page for it.

I've actually downloaded adware-infested installers from MacUpdate. I
saw, with my own two eyes, the adware they had purposely bundled with
their installer. They took the time to create their own "MacUpdate
Installer" containing the original software developer's installer
package and adding adware installer packages to it. So I know it's not a
grand conspiracy - it happened.  And as soon as I saw that, they
permanently lost my respect.

> Perhaps their complicity in this download is to be considered.

Which download would that be? It's interesting they don't bother to
mention which downloaded installers contain the Yahoo search assist
adware they foisted on their unsuspecting victims. Wonder why they'd
omit that important detail... ; )

>>> For this reason I started using their system only to *find out*
>>> which of my apps needed updating, and then updating them myself.
>> 
>> The only way I recommend using macupdate or any other software
>> tracking site is to use it strictly as a reference and go directly to
>> the source to actually download the software.
>> 
>>> They managed to correct that issue and so for about two years I've
>>> let them do the updating of apps directly.

So you trust them even though they have a proven track record of
unscrupulous behavior, and as soon as they decide to bundle adware in an
installer you download from them, you're toast. Sucker. ; )
 
>> Yep - paying customer. MacUpdate Desktop isn't free last I checked,
>> right?'
>
> Not any more, no.  They ended it only a week or so ago.
>
>>> Again no issues.
>> 
>> You'll need to try it without being logged in and after deleting all
>> of their cookies to see the adware infested installers. And you'd
>> have to download them directly from the web site rather than through
>> MacUpdate Desktop.
>
> It's very rare that I would go to MacUpdate's page directly to
> download an update for a program; I tend to go to the software
> company's page directly.

You said above you also use their MacUpdate Desktop app to download
updates. Where do you think those come from - some website *other* than
MacUpdate?  : )

> I always appreciate your recommendations, and certainly give them
> great credibility. But it does make me wonder how MacUpdate could have
> financial arrangements with so many significant software companies
> with their "bundleware" discounts if they produced adware
> installations.

The adware installers weren't used for every single piece of software.
From what I've read, it was mainly for popular titles. And for all we
know, they excluded adware from installers for software developers who
participated in MacUpdate Bundle promotions, just like they did for
paying customers.

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#102387

Fromgtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Date2017-03-15 10:54 -0700
Message-ID<oabv5e$cth$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#102337
On 2017-03-15 00:14:41 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> On 2017-03-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> On 2017-03-14 22:13:15 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>>> On 2017-03-14 15:19:49 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>>> 
>>>>> Yep, I'm sure of it. They are NOT to be trusted.
>>>> 
>>>> I've used them for about four years and have had no problems with
>>>> adware.
>>> 
>>> You are a paying customer, right?
>> 
>> No.  At some point in the past I was a subscriber, I believe.
> 
> Subscriber? Meaning you paid them money? What makes you think they
> couldn't have purposefully give paying customers ad-free isntallers
> while giving non-paying visitors adware-infested installers?
> 
>> Since then I have only used the app occasionally to see what needed
>> updating.i
> 
> My point was you *paid* for MacUpdate Desktop - it's *not* free.
> 
> BTW, I don't suppose you ever saw an ad for MacKeeper (a well-known Mac
> malware trojan) while using MacUpdate Desktop? Others surely have:
> 
> <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7198413>
> 
> Others have noticed that MacUpdate actually omitted adware from paying
> customer downloads:
> 
> "Update (Nov. 3, 2015): It turns out that this is now a “feature” of
> MacUpdate. If you are a paid member of MacUpdate and are logged in, you
> won’t see the adware installers. If you are not logged in, you will see
> them. This is evidently configurable in the profile preferences on a
> paid MacUpdate account, though not having such an account, I can’t
> provide specifics."
> 
> <https://blog.malwarebytes.com/cybercrime/2015/11/has-macupdate-fallen-to-the-adware-plague/> 
> 
> 
>> They have recently changed their modus operandi and are now charging
>> $20/6 mo. for their service.
> 
> Too little, too late, IMO. Fucking their visitors by bundling adware in
> installers downloaded from their web site, and pushing malware like
> MacKeeper on their paying customer, means they *cannot* and *will* not
> be trusted by me. They've burned themselves for eternity in my eyes.
> 
>>> IIRC, they don't foist adware installers on their paying customers
>>> (oh, how gracious of them to extort money just for ad-free
>>> installers! Praise be!).
>>> 
>>>> A couple of years ago they were messing up some downloads though,
>>>> leaving the program inoperable.
> 
> "I’ve also been told that the MacUpdate Desktop app will download the
> real app rather than the adware installer, though I’m unclear as to
> whether that only applies to a paid copy of MacUpdate Desktop."
> 
> <https://blog.malwarebytes.com/cybercrime/2015/11/has-macupdate-fallen-to-the-adware-plague/> 
> 
> 
>>> They are still bundling adware in their downloaded installers:
>>> 
>>> <https://blog.malwarebytes.com/cybercrime/2015/11/has-macupdate-fallen-to-the-adware-plague/> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <http://mjtsai.com/blog/2015/11/04/macupdate-adware-installers/>
>> 
>> I searched for "adware" at the MacUpdate support page and instructions
>> on this Yahoo installer was the only information I got.
> 
> That's not proof that they don't bundle adware with installers
> downloaded from their website; rather it's proof that their support
> department was likely so inundated by calls for help and complaints by
> visitors about them bundling Yahoo adware in their installers that they
> decided to create a support page for it.
> 
> I've actually downloaded adware-infested installers from MacUpdate. I
> saw, with my own two eyes, the adware they had purposely bundled with
> their installer. They took the time to create their own "MacUpdate
> Installer" containing the original software developer's installer
> package and adding adware installer packages to it. So I know it's not a
> grand conspiracy - it happened.  And as soon as I saw that, they
> permanently lost my respect.
> 
>> Perhaps their complicity in this download is to be considered.
> 
> Which download would that be? It's interesting they don't bother to
> mention which downloaded installers contain the Yahoo search assist
> adware they foisted on their unsuspecting victims. Wonder why they'd
> omit that important detail... ; )
> 
>>>> For this reason I started using their system only to *find out*
>>>> which of my apps needed updating, and then updating them myself.
>>> 
>>> The only way I recommend using macupdate or any other software
>>> tracking site is to use it strictly as a reference and go directly to
>>> the source to actually download the software.
>>> 
>>>> They managed to correct that issue and so for about two years I've
>>>> let them do the updating of apps directly.
> 
> So you trust them even though they have a proven track record of
> unscrupulous behavior, and as soon as they decide to bundle adware in an
> installer you download from them, you're toast. Sucker. ; )

All trhe downloads I've done with them, preceded my knowledge they'd 
ever done such things.

>>> Yep - paying customer. MacUpdate Desktop isn't free last I checked,
>>> right?'
>> 
>> Not any more, no.  They ended it only a week or so ago.
>> 
>>>> Again no issues.
>>> 
>>> You'll need to try it without being logged in and after deleting all
>>> of their cookies to see the adware infested installers. And you'd
>>> have to download them directly from the web site rather than through
>>> MacUpdate Desktop.
>> 
>> It's very rare that I would go to MacUpdate's page directly to
>> download an update for a program; I tend to go to the software
>> company's page directly.
> 
> You said above you also use their MacUpdate Desktop app to download
> updates.

No, I said I *only* use the desktop a..

> Where do you think those come from - some website *other* than
> MacUpdate?  : )

I don't know.

>> I always appreciate your recommendations, and certainly give them
>> great credibility. But it does make me wonder how MacUpdate could have
>> financial arrangements with so many significant software companies
>> with their "bundleware" discounts if they produced adware
>> installations.
> 
> The adware installers weren't used for every single piece of software.
> From what I've read, it was mainly for popular titles. And for all we
> know, they excluded adware from installers for software developers who
> participated in MacUpdate Bundle promotions, just like they did for
> paying customers.

"For all we know" the moon is made of green cheese.  My point is this: 
You know and understand everything you need to know and understand.  I 
do not.

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#102353

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-15 03:43 -0400
Message-ID<oaar5q$lkl$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#102294
On 2017-03-14 09:48:48 +0000, dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) said:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
>> Did you download that thing from a site like VersionTracker, MacUpdate, or
>> CNET Downloads? All three of those services are well-known for modifying
>> installers on their sites to add adware to them.
>> 
>> As a rule, I never download software through third parties.
> 
> I agree about going to the developer's site, and also about
> VersionTracker and CNET.
> 
> Are you correct about MacUpdate? I know that they introduced this at one
> point and got a very negative response from users. I never heard if the
> went back to the better policy as a result or if they stayed with
> including adware. They lost me when they started this, so I never
> checked to see if they still do it.

Got a virus from MacUpdate last year.  Their rep has dropped, in the 
last few years, to the point where I wouldn't trust anything from them.

CNET never had a rep to lose...  and VersionTracker has really been 
gone for quite a while.
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#102225

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2017-03-12 16:14 +0000
Message-ID<slrnocat59.ih9.g.kreme@snow.local>
In reply to#102215
In message <TW3xA.24187$IX2.5072@fx03.iad> John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> wrote:
> I'm going to guess that Apple has come to some agreement 
> with YouTube (that's google, is it?) to actively block 
> downloading of content, whether it be through Flash or HTML5.

Ridiculous. I download videos from youtube with Safari with no issues at
all.

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#102227

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2017-03-12 16:34 +0000
Message-ID<eilbl2Fe2t5U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#102225
On 2017-03-12, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <TW3xA.24187$IX2.5072@fx03.iad> John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> wrote:
>> I'm going to guess that Apple has come to some agreement 
>> with YouTube (that's google, is it?) to actively block 
>> downloading of content, whether it be through Flash or HTML5.
>
> Ridiculous. I download videos from youtube with Safari with no issues at
> all.

Which extension do you use?

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#102230

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2017-03-12 20:33 +0000
Message-ID<slrnocbcag.spg.g.kreme@snow.local>
In reply to#102227
In message <eilbl2Fe2t5U2@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2017-03-12, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <TW3xA.24187$IX2.5072@fx03.iad> John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> wrote:
>>> I'm going to guess that Apple has come to some agreement 
>>> with YouTube (that's google, is it?) to actively block 
>>> downloading of content, whether it be through Flash or HTML5.
>>
>> Ridiculous. I download videos from youtube with Safari with no issues at
>> all.

> Which extension do you use?

I'm not on that machine, but I think it is YouTube Downloader? Or Faster
Tube?

This looks like it:

<https://kwizzu.com>

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