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[NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-10-06 09:38 +1300
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-05 18:17 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-05 22:21 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-05 18:42 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-05 22:56 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-06 13:03 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-06 16:17 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-10-07 13:25 +1300
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-06 20:38 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-05 23:28 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-06 13:06 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-10-07 13:13 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-07 18:29 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-07 11:35 -0700
Re: Outlook -- [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-10-07 14:15 -0500
Re: Outlook -- [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-07 19:25 +0000
Re: Outlook -- [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-07 12:32 -0700
Re: Outlook -- [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-07 20:18 +0000
Re: Outlook -- [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-07 16:25 -0700
Re: Outlook -- [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-10-07 18:40 -0500
Re: Outlook -- [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-07 17:36 -0700
Re: Outlook -- [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-10 09:30 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-07 19:38 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-07 12:56 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-07 20:06 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-07 16:16 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 00:29 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-07 17:40 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-10 09:35 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-10 10:07 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-10 17:52 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-10 11:11 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 09:50 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-11 11:52 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 15:56 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-11 13:20 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-11 21:14 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 17:35 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-12 03:26 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-12 09:28 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-12 15:56 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-12 12:50 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-07 19:36 +0000
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-07 17:36 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Outlook -- [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian |
| Message-ID | <D23B0880.5F6FD%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #82430 |
On 10/7/15, 4:40 PM, in article d7losjFsog5U1@mid.individual.net, "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > On 7 Oct 2015 16:25, Snit wrote: >> On 10/7/15, 1:18 PM, in article d7ld0aForrnU4@mid.individual.net, "Lloyd >> Parsons" <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>> To me, Mac's Outlook 2011 (in Mac OS X v10.10.5 [Yosemite] and haven't >>>>>> tried 2016 yet) is missing a lot of features like being able to edit >>>>>> others' e-mails, viewing others' shared calendars, etc. They all work >>>>>> in Windows' Outlook 2010. >>>>> >>>>> I use Outlook 2016 since I'm an Office365 subscriber. I don't know if >>>>> it does those things because I have no need for them. But my O2016 has >>>>> been solid as a rock since I started using it, even with the El Capitan >>>>> public beta. >>>>> >>>>> I wish I could say about the new version of Apple Mail. Up until El >>>>> Capitan I had always used it and was pretty pleased with it. But the >>>>> constant lags and spinning wheel showing up way too often have made me >>>>> put it on the "don't bother" list. >>>> >>>> Do you use any add-ons? I used to use a PGP addon and found it made Mail >>>> flakey. Got rid of it and things are better... esp. after rebuilding >>>> mailboxes. I have a LOT of old mail. Would make sense to actually delete >>>> a lot of it I do not need. >>> >>> Nope, no add-ons >> >> Have you re-built the mailboxes? Deleted the Envelope Indexes? I did that as >> well... seems to have helped. >> > Yep been there, done that and it helped some. But Outlook 2016 is just > much better in all respects imo. And since I own it (well, OK just rent > it), why not use it? > Fair enough. You know my motto: use what you like. :) -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-10-10 09:30 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Outlook -- [NEWS] Bugs in Microsoft Office under El Captian |
| Message-ID | <9dydnaCl8oxwj4TLnZ2dnUU7-R-dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #82320 |
On 2015-10-07 15:25, Lloyd Parsons wrote: > > I wish I could say about the new version of Apple Mail. Up until El > Capitan I had always used it and was pretty pleased with it. But the > constant lags and spinning wheel showing up way too often have made me > put it on the "don't bother" list. No issues with Mail from 10.11 here. There were two "start up" issues (PGP plugin caused Mail to crash and had to rebuild two folders). And the dreaded losing config settings bug has yet to appear (it's been less than a week, so ...) I do need Excel and Word to be reliable, so until the bugs are cleared up and tested by others I'll keep running the 2008/2011 versions of office.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-07 19:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d7laksFogllU9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #82284 |
On 2015-10-07, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, 07 Oct 2015 13:13:39 -0500, Ant wrote: > >>> >> Good to hear - major issue is with Outlook in any case. Outlook is >>> >> pretty good on a Windows machine, but both times I've tried Outlook >>> >> on a Mac it's been a disaster. >>> > >>> > Outlook has been incomplete and buggy from the very first version. >> >>> Pity. It's rather well integrated and powerful on Windows, esp. with >>> Exchange Server. >> >> Yeah, I am not impressed with Outlook on Mac compared to Windows. :( > > Oddly I like the Mac version better. And I sure like it a hell of a lot > better than the Apple Mail in El Capitan! I quite like OS X Mail in Yosemite and previous versions, and I'm sure Apple will fix any lingering bugs in Mail on El Capitan in time. Until then, nobody is forcing me to upgrade to El Caputan. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-07 12:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D23AC6FB.5F5DC%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #82327 |
On 10/7/15, 12:38 PM, in article d7laksFogllU9@mid.individual.net, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2015-10-07, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Wed, 07 Oct 2015 13:13:39 -0500, Ant wrote: >> >>>>>> Good to hear - major issue is with Outlook in any case. Outlook is >>>>>> pretty good on a Windows machine, but both times I've tried Outlook >>>>>> on a Mac it's been a disaster. >>>>> >>>>> Outlook has been incomplete and buggy from the very first version. >>> >>>> Pity. It's rather well integrated and powerful on Windows, esp. with >>>> Exchange Server. >>> >>> Yeah, I am not impressed with Outlook on Mac compared to Windows. :( >> >> Oddly I like the Mac version better. And I sure like it a hell of a lot >> better than the Apple Mail in El Capitan! > > I quite like OS X Mail in Yosemite and previous versions, and I'm sure > Apple will fix any lingering bugs in Mail on El Capitan in time. Until > then, nobody is forcing me to upgrade to El Caputan. My biggest complaint is I have a lot of email accounts and prefer POP... and they get re-ordered for no good reason. Then putting them back in the "right" order takes forever and a day. Drag and then have to wait and wait. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-07 20:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d7lcaaFpka6U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #82340 |
On 2015-10-07, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > On 10/7/15, 12:38 PM, in article d7laksFogllU9@mid.individual.net, "Jolly > Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> I quite like OS X Mail in Yosemite and previous versions, and I'm sure >> Apple will fix any lingering bugs in Mail on El Capitan in time. Until >> then, nobody is forcing me to upgrade to El Caputan. > > My biggest complaint is I have a lot of email accounts and prefer POP... and > they get re-ordered for no good reason. Then putting them back in the > "right" order takes forever and a day. Drag and then have to wait and wait. Why does the order matter? -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-07 16:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D23AF5E0.5F6AE%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #82346 |
On 10/7/15, 1:06 PM, in article d7lcaaFpka6U3@mid.individual.net, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2015-10-07, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >> On 10/7/15, 12:38 PM, in article d7laksFogllU9@mid.individual.net, "Jolly >> Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> >>> I quite like OS X Mail in Yosemite and previous versions, and I'm sure >>> Apple will fix any lingering bugs in Mail on El Capitan in time. Until >>> then, nobody is forcing me to upgrade to El Caputan. >> >> My biggest complaint is I have a lot of email accounts and prefer POP... and >> they get re-ordered for no good reason. Then putting them back in the >> "right" order takes forever and a day. Drag and then have to wait and wait. > > Why does the order matter? I have an unusual situation... I have * A personal account * Two home business accounts * Multiple organizations I work for (mostly schools) * My Usenet Account * A "junk" account I use to sign up for things All in all 10 different email accounts, six of which I use often and four of which I use only rarely. I have an order I like which helps keep those groupings together / with least to most used in each grouping. I realize most people would never have that many email accounts. :) -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-08 00:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d7lrmtFt3hcU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #82421 |
On 2015-10-07, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > On 10/7/15, 1:06 PM, in article d7lcaaFpka6U3@mid.individual.net, "Jolly > Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> On 2015-10-07, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>> On 10/7/15, 12:38 PM, in article d7laksFogllU9@mid.individual.net, "Jolly >>> Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I quite like OS X Mail in Yosemite and previous versions, and I'm sure >>>> Apple will fix any lingering bugs in Mail on El Capitan in time. Until >>>> then, nobody is forcing me to upgrade to El Caputan. >>> >>> My biggest complaint is I have a lot of email accounts and prefer POP... and >>> they get re-ordered for no good reason. Then putting them back in the >>> "right" order takes forever and a day. Drag and then have to wait and wait. >> >> Why does the order matter? > > I have an unusual situation... I have > > * A personal account > * Two home business accounts > * Multiple organizations I work for (mostly schools) > * My Usenet Account > * A "junk" account I use to sign up for things > > All in all 10 different email accounts, six of which I use often and four of > which I use only rarely. I have an order I like which helps keep those > groupings together / with least to most used in each grouping. > > I realize most people would never have that many email accounts. :) Oh you mean the order in which they appear in the Inbox list? Yeah, I do wish that were configurable. I've also noticed Mail seems to forget which mailbox (including the global "Inbox") I had selected after I quit it, and defaults to selecting an ancient hotmail inbox instead when I run it again. I have several gripes about Mail, but it gets the job done well enough I'm not looking for alternatives. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-07 17:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D23B0982.5F700%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #82444 |
On 10/7/15, 5:29 PM, in article d7lrmtFt3hcU7@mid.individual.net, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2015-10-07, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >> On 10/7/15, 1:06 PM, in article d7lcaaFpka6U3@mid.individual.net, "Jolly >> Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> >>> On 2015-10-07, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>>> On 10/7/15, 12:38 PM, in article d7laksFogllU9@mid.individual.net, "Jolly >>>> Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I quite like OS X Mail in Yosemite and previous versions, and I'm sure >>>>> Apple will fix any lingering bugs in Mail on El Capitan in time. Until >>>>> then, nobody is forcing me to upgrade to El Caputan. >>>> >>>> My biggest complaint is I have a lot of email accounts and prefer POP... >>>> and >>>> they get re-ordered for no good reason. Then putting them back in the >>>> "right" order takes forever and a day. Drag and then have to wait and wait. >>> >>> Why does the order matter? >> >> I have an unusual situation... I have >> >> * A personal account >> * Two home business accounts >> * Multiple organizations I work for (mostly schools) >> * My Usenet Account >> * A "junk" account I use to sign up for things >> >> All in all 10 different email accounts, six of which I use often and four of >> which I use only rarely. I have an order I like which helps keep those >> groupings together / with least to most used in each grouping. >> >> I realize most people would never have that many email accounts. :) > > Oh you mean the order in which they appear in the Inbox list? Yeah, I do > wish that were configurable. It is. You can drag, drop, go order a pizza, have it delivered, eat it, and then it will be done. Simple as that! :) > I've also noticed Mail seems to forget which mailbox (including the global > "Inbox") I had selected after I quit it, and defaults to selecting an ancient > hotmail inbox instead when I run it again. I have several gripes about Mail, > but it gets the job done well enough I'm not looking for alternatives. Ditto here, esp. with the addition of DockStar. <https://www.creativeinaustria.com/DockStar> I have smart mailboxes with DockStar reports on so I know if I have personal emails, home business emails, organization emails, or something from "VIP" people. Also my voice mail goes to my email so I have a "badge" for that. Some show on my menu bar so I can see them at a glance (as if looking at the dock is oh-so-hard). -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-10-10 09:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <9dydnaOl8oyniYTLnZ2dnUU7-R-dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #82346 |
On 2015-10-07 16:06, Jolly Roger wrote: > On 2015-10-07, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >> On 10/7/15, 12:38 PM, in article d7laksFogllU9@mid.individual.net, "Jolly >> Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> >>> I quite like OS X Mail in Yosemite and previous versions, and I'm sure >>> Apple will fix any lingering bugs in Mail on El Capitan in time. Until >>> then, nobody is forcing me to upgrade to El Caputan. >> >> My biggest complaint is I have a lot of email accounts and prefer POP... and >> they get re-ordered for no good reason. Then putting them back in the >> "right" order takes forever and a day. Drag and then have to wait and wait. > > Why does the order matter? I like mine in a particular order. But if you go change settings on an account then it bubbles to the top. It's no big deal to re-order and doesn't take any time after that. Not sure what Snit is on about.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-10 10:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D23E93EE.5FCDD%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #82912 |
On 10/10/15, 6:35 AM, in article 9dydnaOl8oyniYTLnZ2dnUU7-R-dnZ2d@giganews.com, "Alan Browne" <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2015-10-07 16:06, Jolly Roger wrote: >> On 2015-10-07, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>> On 10/7/15, 12:38 PM, in article d7laksFogllU9@mid.individual.net, "Jolly >>> Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I quite like OS X Mail in Yosemite and previous versions, and I'm sure >>>> Apple will fix any lingering bugs in Mail on El Capitan in time. Until >>>> then, nobody is forcing me to upgrade to El Caputan. >>> >>> My biggest complaint is I have a lot of email accounts and prefer POP... and >>> they get re-ordered for no good reason. Then putting them back in the >>> "right" order takes forever and a day. Drag and then have to wait and wait. >> >> Why does the order matter? > > I like mine in a particular order. But if you go change settings on an > account then it bubbles to the top. It's no big deal to re-order and > doesn't take any time after that. Not sure what Snit is on about. > When I move drag the order of them it takes a LONG time to complete. Could be tied to me having a lot of saved emails? -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-10 17:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d7t1i0Fne5nU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #82924 |
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:07:42 -0700, Snit wrote: > On 10/10/15, 6:35 AM, in article > 9dydnaOl8oyniYTLnZ2dnUU7-R-dnZ2d@giganews.com, "Alan Browne" > <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: > >> On 2015-10-07 16:06, Jolly Roger wrote: >>> On 2015-10-07, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>>> On 10/7/15, 12:38 PM, in article d7laksFogllU9@mid.individual.net, >>>> "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I quite like OS X Mail in Yosemite and previous versions, and I'm >>>>> sure Apple will fix any lingering bugs in Mail on El Capitan in >>>>> time. Until then, nobody is forcing me to upgrade to El Caputan. >>>> >>>> My biggest complaint is I have a lot of email accounts and prefer >>>> POP... and they get re-ordered for no good reason. Then putting them >>>> back in the "right" order takes forever and a day. Drag and then have >>>> to wait and wait. >>> >>> Why does the order matter? >> >> I like mine in a particular order. But if you go change settings on an >> account then it bubbles to the top. It's no big deal to re-order and >> doesn't take any time after that. Not sure what Snit is on about. >> > When I move drag the order of them it takes a LONG time to complete. > Could be tied to me having a lot of saved emails? It shouldn't because you aren't really moving anything except the title of the box. The only way I would think it could be slow because of lots of mail is maybe it resorts the unified 'inbox'?? -- Lloyd
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-10 11:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D23EA2CE.5FD06%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #82927 |
On 10/10/15, 10:52 AM, in article d7t1i0Fne5nU1@mid.individual.net, "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:07:42 -0700, Snit wrote: > >> On 10/10/15, 6:35 AM, in article >> 9dydnaOl8oyniYTLnZ2dnUU7-R-dnZ2d@giganews.com, "Alan Browne" >> <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: >> >>> On 2015-10-07 16:06, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>> On 2015-10-07, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>>>> On 10/7/15, 12:38 PM, in article d7laksFogllU9@mid.individual.net, >>>>> "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I quite like OS X Mail in Yosemite and previous versions, and I'm >>>>>> sure Apple will fix any lingering bugs in Mail on El Capitan in >>>>>> time. Until then, nobody is forcing me to upgrade to El Caputan. >>>>> >>>>> My biggest complaint is I have a lot of email accounts and prefer >>>>> POP... and they get re-ordered for no good reason. Then putting them >>>>> back in the "right" order takes forever and a day. Drag and then have >>>>> to wait and wait. >>>> >>>> Why does the order matter? >>> >>> I like mine in a particular order. But if you go change settings on an >>> account then it bubbles to the top. It's no big deal to re-order and >>> doesn't take any time after that. Not sure what Snit is on about. >>> >> When I move drag the order of them it takes a LONG time to complete. >> Could be tied to me having a lot of saved emails? > > It shouldn't because you aren't really moving anything except the title > of the box. The only way I would think it could be slow because of lots > of mail is maybe it resorts the unified 'inbox'?? Yeah... hard to understand. I did just test it again... after I have wiped out my envelope index's it is faster. But even then I move the first one and all seems fine but I cannot move a second one for some time. It is not like I often move them around so not a HUGE deal but clearly buggy and quirky. When you are doing this it should be much better. No excusing Apple for this. And it is not just my system - have tried it on my wife's and it is just as bad. She has no extensions to Mail so it is not caused by that. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-10-11 09:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <PM6dnZaNefGi9IfLnZ2dnUU7-TGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #82924 |
On 2015-10-10 13:07, Snit wrote: > On 10/10/15, 6:35 AM, in article > 9dydnaOl8oyniYTLnZ2dnUU7-R-dnZ2d@giganews.com, "Alan Browne" > <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: > >> On 2015-10-07 16:06, Jolly Roger wrote: >>> On 2015-10-07, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>>> On 10/7/15, 12:38 PM, in article d7laksFogllU9@mid.individual.net, "Jolly >>>> Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I quite like OS X Mail in Yosemite and previous versions, and I'm sure >>>>> Apple will fix any lingering bugs in Mail on El Capitan in time. Until >>>>> then, nobody is forcing me to upgrade to El Caputan. >>>> >>>> My biggest complaint is I have a lot of email accounts and prefer POP... and >>>> they get re-ordered for no good reason. Then putting them back in the >>>> "right" order takes forever and a day. Drag and then have to wait and wait. >>> >>> Why does the order matter? >> >> I like mine in a particular order. But if you go change settings on an >> account then it bubbles to the top. It's no big deal to re-order and >> doesn't take any time after that. Not sure what Snit is on about. >> > When I move drag the order of them it takes a LONG time to complete. Could > be tied to me having a lot of saved emails? Maybe - but I've got tons and no issues. You could sqlite vacuum your mail folder as well. Look up the correct command for your v. of Mail and verify where your "Envelope" is located: Exit Mail first. sqlite3 ~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/Envelope\ Index vacuum; Yosemite (V3) sqlite3 ~/Library/Mail/V3/MailData/Envelope\ Index vacuum;
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-11 11:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D23FFE18.5FEF9%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #83023 |
On 10/11/15, 6:50 AM, in article PM6dnZaNefGi9IfLnZ2dnUU7-TGdnZ2d@giganews.com, "Alan Browne" <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2015-10-10 13:07, Snit wrote: >> On 10/10/15, 6:35 AM, in article >> 9dydnaOl8oyniYTLnZ2dnUU7-R-dnZ2d@giganews.com, "Alan Browne" >> <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: >> >>> On 2015-10-07 16:06, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>> On 2015-10-07, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>>>> On 10/7/15, 12:38 PM, in article d7laksFogllU9@mid.individual.net, "Jolly >>>>> Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I quite like OS X Mail in Yosemite and previous versions, and I'm sure >>>>>> Apple will fix any lingering bugs in Mail on El Capitan in time. Until >>>>>> then, nobody is forcing me to upgrade to El Caputan. >>>>> >>>>> My biggest complaint is I have a lot of email accounts and prefer POP... >>>>> and they get re-ordered for no good reason. Then putting them back in the >>>>> "right" order takes forever and a day. Drag and then have to wait and >>>>> wait. >>>>> >>>> Why does the order matter? >>> >>> I like mine in a particular order. But if you go change settings on an >>> account then it bubbles to the top. It's no big deal to re-order and >>> doesn't take any time after that. Not sure what Snit is on about. >>> >> When I move drag the order of them it takes a LONG time to complete. Could >> be tied to me having a lot of saved emails? > > > Maybe - but I've got tons and no issues. You could sqlite vacuum your > mail folder as well. Look up the correct command for your v. of Mail > and verify where your "Envelope" is located: > > Exit Mail first. > > sqlite3 ~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/Envelope\ Index vacuum; > > Yosemite (V3) > sqlite3 ~/Library/Mail/V3/MailData/Envelope\ Index vacuum; Tried it and the first one I does goes fast... but if I try another it will not let me for a long time. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-10-11 15:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <sqSdnaiVYu6eIofLnZ2dnUU7-c2dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #83084 |
On 2015-10-11 14:52, Snit wrote: > On 10/11/15, 6:50 AM, in article > PM6dnZaNefGi9IfLnZ2dnUU7-TGdnZ2d@giganews.com, "Alan Browne" >> >> Maybe - but I've got tons and no issues. You could sqlite vacuum your >> mail folder as well. Look up the correct command for your v. of Mail >> and verify where your "Envelope" is located: >> >> Exit Mail first. >> >> sqlite3 ~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/Envelope\ Index vacuum; >> >> Yosemite (V3) >> sqlite3 ~/Library/Mail/V3/MailData/Envelope\ Index vacuum; > > Tried it and the first one I does goes fast... but if I try another it will > not let me for a long time. I really have no idea what the last part of that means. IAC, vacuuming the envelope is something one does seldomly. If it makes Mail behave quicker then fine. Otherwise you may have other issues. Also suggest backing up old mail and deleting them from Mail.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-11 13:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D2401283.5FF20%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #83093 |
On 10/11/15, 12:56 PM, in article sqSdnaiVYu6eIofLnZ2dnUU7-c2dnZ2d@giganews.com, "Alan Browne" <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2015-10-11 14:52, Snit wrote: >> On 10/11/15, 6:50 AM, in article >> PM6dnZaNefGi9IfLnZ2dnUU7-TGdnZ2d@giganews.com, "Alan Browne" > >>> >>> Maybe - but I've got tons and no issues. You could sqlite vacuum your >>> mail folder as well. Look up the correct command for your v. of Mail >>> and verify where your "Envelope" is located: >>> >>> Exit Mail first. >>> >>> sqlite3 ~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/Envelope\ Index vacuum; >>> >>> Yosemite (V3) >>> sqlite3 ~/Library/Mail/V3/MailData/Envelope\ Index vacuum; >> >> Tried it and the first one I does goes fast... but if I try another it will >> not let me for a long time. > > I really have no idea what the last part of that means. I vacuumed. Then re-opened Mail. Now I can move one on the list quickly and other things seem to work, but when I try to move a second it will not let me. Eventually it does. > IAC, vacuuming the envelope is something one does seldomly. > > If it makes Mail behave quicker then fine. Otherwise you may have other > issues. > > Also suggest backing up old mail and deleting them from Mail. I thought I would have more but on checking see I "only" have about 50,000 emails saved. Still, not exactly a small number. Most have been moved out of my inboxes, though (about 1000 in those, total). -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-10-11 21:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnn1lkea.bvl.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #83093 |
In message <sqSdnaiVYu6eIofLnZ2dnUU7-c2dnZ2d@giganews.com> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: >>> sqlite3 ~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/Envelope\ Index vacuum; This has not been necessary (or in anyway useful) for many years now. It is a complete and utter waste of time. > IAC, vacuuming the envelope is something one does seldomly. Never. -- Ninety percent of true love is acute, ear-burning embarrassment. --Wyrd Sisters
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-10-11 17:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <R5adnV6BYKaKS4fLnZ2dnUU7-eOdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #83112 |
On 2015-10-11 17:14, Lewis wrote: > In message <sqSdnaiVYu6eIofLnZ2dnUU7-c2dnZ2d@giganews.com> > Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: >>>> sqlite3 ~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/Envelope\ Index vacuum; > > This has not been necessary (or in anyway useful) for many years now. It > is a complete and utter waste of time. Why? Source? Reference? > >> IAC, vacuuming the envelope is something one does seldomly. > > Never. >
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-10-12 03:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnn1ma6j.f9b.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #83114 |
In message <R5adnV6BYKaKS4fLnZ2dnUU7-eOdnZ2d@giganews.com> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2015-10-11 17:14, Lewis wrote: >> In message <sqSdnaiVYu6eIofLnZ2dnUU7-c2dnZ2d@giganews.com> >> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: >>>>> sqlite3 ~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/Envelope\ Index vacuum; >> >> This has not been necessary (or in anyway useful) for many years now. It >> is a complete and utter waste of time. > Why? Source? Reference? Why bother? You'll simply deny it. -- -=> <http://xkcd.com/241/> <http://xkcd.com/304/> <http://xkcd.com/635/> <=-
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-10-12 09:28 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <VKudnfpXRPMVKIbLnZ2dnUU7-VOdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #83168 |
On 2015-10-11 23:26, Lewis wrote: > In message <R5adnV6BYKaKS4fLnZ2dnUU7-eOdnZ2d@giganews.com> > Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: >> On 2015-10-11 17:14, Lewis wrote: >>> In message <sqSdnaiVYu6eIofLnZ2dnUU7-c2dnZ2d@giganews.com> >>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: >>>>>> sqlite3 ~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/Envelope\ Index vacuum; >>> >>> This has not been necessary (or in anyway useful) for many years now. It >>> is a complete and utter waste of time. > >> Why? Source? Reference? > > Why bother? You'll simply deny it. Not at all. While I've used the vacuum command about once per year, if there is no need for it I won't use it.
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