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Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS.

From Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS.
Date 2017-02-26 16:01 +0000
Organization People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
Message-ID <ehgcdsF212rU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
References (5 earlier) <barmar-38263C.19354325022017@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu> <ehet4qFnl7bU1@mid.individual.net> <o8tm1h$2ai$1@dont-email.me> <ehgahqF1p91U1@mid.individual.net> <here-7DBC87.16441126022017@news.individual.net>

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On 2017-02-26, android <here@there.was> wrote:
> In article <ehgahqF1p91U1@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On 2017-02-26 02:34:02 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said:
>> > 
>> >> Nobody can argue with the fact that file system name space
>> >> conflicts are drastically reduced with case insensitivity
>> > 
>> > I hesitate to point out that by removing case sensitivity, you have
>> > reduced the available namespace by half and thus can only have
>> > increased the potential for conflicts - Foo, FoO, and FOO now
>> > conflict, where before they did not.
>> 
>> And how often does that *actually* happen in real-world usage? As a
>> user of case-preserving file systems daily for many years, I can tell
>> you the honest answer: roughly never. 
>> 
>> Forcing users to worry about capitalization only complicates matters
>> for the user. Reducing complication (and, yes, the name space)
>> *improves* usability.
>
> There's no reason to remove the case sensitivity of the filesystem.

Reducing complication and improving usability as explained above are
both good enough reasons for me. It's telling that the Mac news groups
and web forums aren't filled with complaints about lack of cases
sensitivity. Most Mac users seem to be perfectly happy to reap the
benefits without complaint.

> My guess is that this is the consequence of Adobes refusal to let apps
> work from case sensitive filesystems

No. Apple's HFS file system have always been case preserving / case
insensitive. And macOS predates Adobe applications; in fact the very
first Adobe application, Adobe Illustrator, was first released in 1987
(three years after the first Mac was introduced) as a Mac-only product.
Apple's decision to go with a case insensitive file system had
absolutely nothing to do with Adobe.

> and IIRC on systems with case sensitive root directories.

Not sure what you are talking about. Can you remember any more?

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JR

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  Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-25 09:52 -0500
    Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2017-02-25 09:58 -0800
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        Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 16:03 -0500
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              Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2017-02-25 19:31 -0500
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                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-26 09:29 +0100
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            Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-26 05:58 +0000
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                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-26 17:25 +0000
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                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 14:50 -0500
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-26 12:12 -0800
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 15:33 -0500
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-26 12:40 -0800
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 15:50 -0500
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-26 15:14 -0800
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 18:42 -0500
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-26 16:29 -0800
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 19:47 -0500
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-02-27 05:53 +0000
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2017-02-27 01:31 -0500
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 11:11 -0500
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-26 13:29 -0700
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2017-02-27 01:30 -0500
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-27 07:02 -0500
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      Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-25 21:15 +0000
        Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-25 16:25 -0500
          Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2017-02-25 19:35 -0500
            Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-26 02:34 +0000
              Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 23:39 -0500
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-25 21:30 -0800
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-26 02:53 -0500
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-26 15:28 +0000
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                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-26 16:01 +0000
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-26 17:53 +0100
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-26 17:02 +0000
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-26 12:12 -0500
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-26 17:16 +0000
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-26 18:18 +0100
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-26 17:23 +0000
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-26 18:30 +0100
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-26 18:44 +0000
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-27 06:50 +0100
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                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-02-27 05:41 +0000
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-27 06:53 +0100
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                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-27 10:48 +0100
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                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-27 12:33 +0100
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                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-26 22:58 -0700
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                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-27 06:50 +0100
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                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-26 18:14 +0100
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                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2017-02-27 01:28 -0500
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-27 16:23 +0000
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-27 17:34 +0100
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-27 09:34 -0700
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 11:40 -0500
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-27 09:53 -0700
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 12:12 -0500
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-27 17:19 +0000
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-27 10:27 -0700
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-02-28 10:31 +0000
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 09:17 -0500
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-27 17:17 +0000
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-27 12:25 -0500
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-27 18:29 +0000
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-27 12:58 -0700
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 14:10 -0500
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-27 18:23 -0500
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-27 10:27 -0700
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 12:47 -0500
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-27 18:24 +0000
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 14:03 -0500
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-27 20:48 +0000
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 16:12 -0500
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-27 21:23 +0000
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-02-27 20:33 +0000
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-27 20:51 +0000
                Re: Unable to migrate TM's encrypted case sensitive datas to a new drive with non-case sensitive encrypted HFS. Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2017-02-27 01:26 -0500
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