Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software

From	flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org>
Newsgroups	alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software
Date	2016-11-17 19:25 -0500
Message-ID	<e97040Firc0U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:19:53 +0100 (CET), Jeremy Bentham wrote:

> Back in 2003, the city of Munich announced its plans to switch 
> from Microsoft Windows to Linux on 14,000 PCs which were under 
> usage at municipal government. Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer flew 
> to Munich to meet the mayor to reverse their decision. But they 
> declined Steve Ballmer’s request and completed their plan in 
> December 2013. The sad news is that the end users were not so 
> happy with Linux and the government was also not happy with the 
> price savings it offered when compared to Windows.
> 
> Today, TechRepublic reported that Munich is planning to move 
> back to Microsoft Windows and Office on its PCs. As per the 
> report commissioned by current mayor Dieter Reiter, they have 
> started a project to make Windows 10 and Microsoft Office 
> available to employees as a choice when they choose their PC. If 
> majority of the users liked Windows over Linux, they will 
> investigate whether it makes economic sense to continue using 
> Linux as a client operating system.
> 
> The city’s human resources department (POR) is particularly 
> critical of LiMux, saying that since 2006 when the POR started 
> using LiMux and OpenOffice, later switching to LibreOffice, that 
> “the efficiency and productivity of the POR-supported workplaces 
> has decreased noticeably” – referencing crashes, display and 
> printing errors.
> 
> “Even 10 years after the start of the LiMuX migration, the users 
> and users of the POR are dissatisfied,” says the letter, 
> claiming that, even after updates, LiMux and LibreOffice are 
> “far behind the current technical possibilities of established 
> standard solutions”.
> 
> Read more about this story here. Recently, we reported that 
> Microsoft has reached an agreement with the Italian Ministry of 
> Defence to deploy Windows 10 on all the PCs of ministry’s civil 
> and military employees. Looks like Windows on the desktop is 
> becoming stronger than ever. What do you think?
> 
> Comments:
> 
> DarthTheme • 8 days ago
> Some people think that open source software is a good choice 
> just because they are free, but forget to analyze the quality of 
> this software.
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> donzebe  DarthTheme • 8 days ago
> Yep, Free always come with a price that ends up being more 
> expensive.
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> Burning Smile  DarthTheme • a day ago
> Actually its just end users who don't understand how to use 
> Linux as an operating system since they are used to Windows. In 
> reality Linux is FAR Superior to Windows and LibreOffice is 
> about the same as Microsoft office. It just falls on end users 
> not being trained on how to use it.
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> Bryce Motte  Burning Smile • a day ago
> Training cost time and money. With windows half of the training 
> can be done at home on their own system. Desktop Linux isn't 
> even close to the usability demographic that windows is. Just 
> because it can do more for a power user it can hinder a standard 
> user.
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> John  Bryce Motte • 3 hours ago
> The money saved on Microsoft licensing will be spent on end-user 
> training and wasted IT labor.
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> traffikator  Burning Smile • 21 hours ago
> Yes. And it is the end users we are trying to satisfy and make 
> productive. Limux did not work for them after 13 years. It this 
> case and in most other cases, a majority of users had similar 
> experiences. I hope you are not a manager who insist on forcing 
> a software change on employees that will decrease production, 
> increase frustration and decrease effective workers. Jackass!
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> John  Burning Smile • a day ago
> There are a lot of people like you in IT, but none of them 
> understand "grown-up" IT, it's all "how can we hack-job this the 
> hardest for cheap, screw end-user experience".
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> Alin Maior • 8 days ago
> Learning the hard way
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> Alfred Soyemi  Alin Maior • 8 days ago
> I disagree, because you missed "VERY" in front of the hard way
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> https://mspoweruser.com/munich-city-planning-to-move-back-to-
> microsoft-windows-and-office-from-open-source-software/

I, along with several other so called Windows "trolls" predicted this
many years ago.

The entire migration plan has been a disaster and the prediction has
always been that as soon as the end users got their say, and it leaked
out, the revolt and ultimately the return to Windows software would
transpire.

It's just another example of how desktop Linux is not suitable for the
average, non-technical end user.

The Linux loons will be silent on this one as they search for some way
to discredit the claims, blame the users, blame Microsoft, blame
anyone or anything but the true source of the problem which is desktop
Linux itself.


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Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Jeremy Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> - 2016-11-17 23:19 +0100
  Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-17 19:25 -0500
    Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-11-17 19:33 -0500
      Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-17 19:43 -0500
        Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-11-17 20:44 -0500
      More trolls purveying "fake news" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-11-18 05:31 -0500
        Re: More trolls purveying "fake news" Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-18 09:18 -0500
          Re: More trolls purveying "fake news" flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-18 09:38 -0500
        Re: Propaganda "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 22:21 +0800
        Re: More trolls purveying "fake news" Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-11-18 19:26 -0500
          Re: More trolls purveying "fake news" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-11-19 06:29 -0500
            Re: More trolls purveying "fake news" Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-11-19 09:03 -0500
              Re: More trolls purveying "fake news" flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-19 09:08 -0500
              Re: More trolls purveying "fake news" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-11-19 09:58 -0500
                Re: More trolls purveying "fake news" Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-11-19 10:25 -0500
                Re: More trolls purveying "fake news" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-11-19 14:43 -0500
                Re: More trolls purveying "fake news" flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-19 15:56 -0500
                Re: More trolls purveying "fake news" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-21 07:06 -0600
                Re: More trolls purveying "fake news" flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-21 08:46 -0500
                Re: More trolls purveying "fake news" Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-21 11:52 -0500
                Re: More trolls purveying "fake news" flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-21 12:01 -0500
                Re: More trolls purveying "fake news" GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-11-22 13:44 -0700
                Re: More trolls purveying "fake news" Jeremy Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> - 2016-11-23 00:30 +0100
                Re: More trolls purveying "fake news" Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2016-11-22 01:53 +0100
                Re: More trolls purveying "fake news" GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-11-19 15:05 -0700
                Re: More trolls purveying "fake news" Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201611.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2016-11-20 11:33 +0000
                Re: More trolls purveying "fake news" flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-20 10:04 -0500
                Re: More trolls purveying "fake news" GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-11-20 21:47 -0700
          Re: More trolls purveying "fake news" flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-19 07:50 -0500
      Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-18 08:08 -0500
        Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 21:45 +0800
          Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 21:46 +0800
            Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-18 09:22 -0500
              Re: Running Micro$oft Office in Linux "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 22:29 +0800
                Re: Running Micro$oft Office in Linux Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-18 09:51 -0500
                Re: Running Micro$oft Office in Linux "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 22:55 +0800
                Re: Running Micro$oft Office in Linux Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-18 12:03 -0500
                Re: Running Micro$oft Office in Linux android <here@there.was> - 2016-11-20 06:33 +0100
                Re: Running Micro$oft Office in Linux GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-11-18 12:12 -0700
                Re: Running Micro$oft Office in Linux Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> - 2016-11-24 16:06 +0200
              Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software pinnerite <pinnerite@gmail.com> - 2016-11-22 11:45 +0000
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software android <here@there.was> - 2016-11-22 13:35 +0100
          Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-18 09:21 -0500
            Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 22:28 +0800
              Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-18 09:50 -0500
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-18 09:53 -0500
                Re: Office 2003 and big monitor "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 22:56 +0800
                Re: Office 2003 and big monitor flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-18 10:02 -0500
                Re: Office 2003 and big monitor "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 23:22 +0800
                Re: Office 2003 and big monitor flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-18 11:49 -0500
                Re: Office 2003 and big monitor "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-19 10:58 +0800
                Re: Office 2003 and big monitor flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-19 07:47 -0500
                Re: Office 2003 and big monitor "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-20 00:25 +0800
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-18 12:00 -0500
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-18 08:47 -0700
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 23:50 +0800
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-18 11:48 -0700
            Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-18 09:41 -0500
              Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-18 09:53 -0500
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 22:59 +0800
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-18 12:05 -0500
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-18 10:01 -0500
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-18 12:06 -0500
    Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 18:54 +0800
    Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-18 08:06 -0500
    Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Bob Chapman <msu79@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-19 21:56 +0000
      Fake News: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-11-19 18:56 -0500
        Re: News: Munich city considering a  move back to Windows and Office flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-20 09:40 -0500
      Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-20 09:36 -0500
        Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-20 10:40 -0500
          Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-20 10:47 -0500
            Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-11-20 12:17 -0500
              Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-20 15:26 -0500
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-20 15:03 -0700
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-11-21 00:00 +0100
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-20 18:15 -0500
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-20 16:18 -0700
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-20 16:17 -0700
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-20 18:41 -0500
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-20 18:52 -0500
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-21 07:56 -0500
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2016-11-22 02:13 +0100
              Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-21 07:52 -0600
  Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2016-11-18 09:15 +0100
  Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 18:52 +0800
  Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2016-11-18 18:34 -0500
  Re: Munich city planning to move back  to Windows and Office from open-source software Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2016-11-23 16:02 -0800
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