Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
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Subject	Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software
Date	2016-11-20 15:03 -0700
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On 11/20/16, 1:26 PM, in article e9ef88Fcmp1U1@mid.individual.net,
"flatfish+++" <flatfish@linuxmail.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 12:17:27 -0500, Wolf K wrote:
> 
>> On 2016-11-20 10:47, flatfish+++ wrote:
>> [...]
>>> It's called LIEing for LIEnux and it's a tactic the Linux loons have
>>> been using for years.
>>> 
>>> One of the herd will make up some lie about Linux and wait for the
>>> other herd members to come along and back him up. Or, they will
>>> completely ignore the lies rather than discipline one of their own.
>>> This is the technique they use with that moron 7. Rather than
>>> correcting his insane lies, they either ignore them or try to explain
>>> them away as "satire". Which they are not.
>>> 
>>> Anything to score some positive to Linux hits in Google.
>>> It's a very strange culture of losers this Linux movement.
>> 
>> The main problem with Linux is that every 'droid and his dog wants to
>> customize it, and they refuse to conform to anything resembling a
>> standard. "Freedom!" they yell, "it's  about freedom!". Standards
>> interfere with
>> freedom, you see, so of course they must be resisted. On Linux NGs
>> (which I now ignore) I was targeted with spitting rage for suggesting
>> that standards matter. I've seen frothing hate for Ubuntu/Mint, because
>> the Ubnutu people actually want to make an easy-to-use, convenient, and
>> reliable desktop Linux. Like Windows or Mac.
> 
> I've been saying this for years, if not decades.
> I do understand the FOSS philosophy and why the core leaders of the
> movement are against a single "super distribution" but at the same
> time Linux's biggest problem is fragmentation and no matter how much
> the community squawks that most any distribution within a family, say
> Debian, can be made into any other distribution, it really isn't
> practical for average Jane.
> 
> Had the Linux community pooled their resources behind a single
> distribution, say Ubuntu or Redhat/Fedora, 15 years ago we just might
> be running Linux now instead of Windows and even if that didn't
> happen, a real threat to Microsoft's Windows desktop market would
> ultimately result in a higher quality Windows system as well.
> 
> I'm not opposed to choice but seriously 500+ different versions of
> Linux is far too many and if you look at say distrowatch.org, the top
> tier distributions like LinuxMint have the vast majority of hits so
> average people seem to agree.
> 
> Having more choices isn't always better.
> Have more choices between high quality, bug free software *is* always
> better but Linux hasn't been able to manage that yet. As you go down
> the list to the less popular distributions, the quality plummets.

Part of the problem with Linux is that it does NOT offer much real choice.
Sure, you can have a bunch of DEs and different ways to install software.
So? You end up running the same rather limited selection of apps (in the
desktop space). And even then, when you have so many DEs the apps are not
designed to take advantage of them all so you end up with software written
for the lowest common denominator. This LIMITS workflow choices.

And the "advocates" know this. It is the primary reason they freak out when
I show them something BASIC on the competition like the different ways of
editing a PDF and saving it as well as emailing it. Trivial on the
competition and with lots of choice as to how to do it. A VERY basic task.

But on Linux there is not much choice. The task is hardly difficult, but it
is not streamlined, either. This is true of many EASY tasks... but whenever
I show an example the "advocates" focus on that ONE example and fail to see
the big picture. They tend to think in terms of machines being used for a
single task... it is as if the idea of a machine being used for lots of
things is just beyond their thinking.

But that is what a general desktop SHOULD do... work for many tasks and do
most well.

>> That being said, Ubuntu/Mint is a nice distro, but unfortunately limited
>> in the available software. Beyond Firefox and Thunderbird, there isn't
>> much to choose from. OTOH, some people who want the (relative) security
>> of Linux, dual-boot Windows (for work) and Ubuntu/Mint(for the web),
>> with a common data drive/partition. Only problem: reboots. It would be
>> nice to have a server OS on the machine, so you could switch between
>> programs running on different OSs just as if you were switching between
>> terminals. But that's another thread....
> 
> +1 on LinuxMint. I've just installed both the Mate and kde versions,
> in a VM, and compared to Manjaro which kept locking up on me,
> LinuxMint is quite nice. I prefer the kde version as it has more eye
> candy.

I keep meaning to play with the newest Mint KDE... likely will not get much
of a chance until next year, though. Right now tied up with real work.

>> Have a good day,
> 
> U2.
> 



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Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Jeremy Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> - 2016-11-17 23:19 +0100
  Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-17 19:25 -0500
    Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-11-17 19:33 -0500
      Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-17 19:43 -0500
        Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-11-17 20:44 -0500
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                Re: More trolls purveying "fake news" flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-21 08:46 -0500
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                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-18 08:47 -0700
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 23:50 +0800
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-18 11:48 -0700
            Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-18 09:41 -0500
              Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-18 09:53 -0500
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                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-18 10:01 -0500
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-18 12:06 -0500
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    Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-18 08:06 -0500
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        Re: News: Munich city considering a  move back to Windows and Office flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-20 09:40 -0500
      Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-20 09:36 -0500
        Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-20 10:40 -0500
          Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-20 10:47 -0500
            Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-11-20 12:17 -0500
              Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-20 15:26 -0500
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-20 15:03 -0700
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-11-21 00:00 +0100
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-20 18:15 -0500
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-20 16:18 -0700
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-20 16:17 -0700
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-20 18:41 -0500
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software flatfish+++ <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2016-11-20 18:52 -0500
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-11-21 07:56 -0500
                Re: Munich city planning to move back to Windows and Office from open-source software Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2016-11-22 02:13 +0100
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