Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X?

From	dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X?
Date	2015-09-06 08:01 +1000
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Message-ID	<do_ray_me-AFB9BF.08015806092015@aioe.org> (permalink)
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In article <050920151658122154%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <do_ray_me-5BEFD8.22264205092015@aioe.org>, dorayme
> <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> >In article <050920151230345571%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
> > Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >
> >> And yet the warmists use these same short periods of time to claim that
> >> doomsday is approaching. You can't have it both ways.
> >
> >They don't use "the same short periods". You mentioned something about 
> >ten years ago.
> 
> Of course they do. We've had, I'm told, 18 years of no warming.

What some people say and what actually happens are different things. 
It is not surprising that there may be various slowdowns in the sum 
total of warming over short periods. 

> The
> claim, now bolstered by such experts as Banksy Moon and the Pope, is of
> about some 4C rise by 2050, or 2100 or whatever. All those time
> periods, in the context of the rate the climate actually alters, are
> zero. Even the little ice age of a few hundred years ago lasted longer
> than that.
>

Whatever the degree of warming, the consensus among climate scientists 
is that it is of concern, that it is significantly due to human 
activity and that we can do things to ameliorate it. Don't worry about 
the pope, wtf would he know, he believes in a big man in the sky with 
a white beard doesn't he?
 
> >> >And the idea that models do not tell you anything is pretty silly, 
> >> >science is built on models of reality (webs of theories including all 
> >> >manner of assumptions and general statements).
> >> 
> >> As I said, models don't tell you anything. They make predictions, which
> >> must be testable if the model is to be of any use. 
> >
> >The last is right in the long run, there are predictions and you will 
> >see them come true, if the climate scientists (which you and I are 
> >not) are right. 
> >
> >The first is silly, as I said before. Copernicus's theory was no 
> >better on predictions in the short term than Ptolemy's but it would be 
> >either untrue or highly misleading to say it did not *tell you* 
> >anything. You are trying to isolate some one thing, some one model, 
> >from everything else the climate scientists rely on and trying to 
> >pretend that somehow every single thing they think depends on *it*. It 
> >does not and it is not like that. About models and theories, do you 
> >really think that climate scientists the world over have not 
> >considered various alternatives.
> 
> My point is that people are told that "the models tell us blah blah 4
> degrees Centigrade". And they thereafter take that as gospel, rather
> than as a prediction, because the models "tell" us that.
>

Don't worry about what what some people say. Worry that there is a 
very big consensus among climate scientists that the earth is warming, 
that it is likely due to human activity and that the consequences can 
be quite dire, costly, very disruptive etc and that we should be more 
careful about contributing to it any further.

> >You can snipe at all sorts of things when people propose theories. But 
> >the best way to oppose convincingly is to offer an alternative theory 
> >for what is happening. Your few remarks about ice ages and a few 
> >selected facts about a few years hardly amounts to such.
> 
> Who say anything is happening? Or, more interestingly, who says that if
> something *is* happening, that human activity is primarily to blame?
>

You are kidding now. Actually, I know you are not.

> >> The model is then
> >> altered, improved, discarded, or accepted accordingly. And a proper
> >> scientific model is one which has mathematical underpinnings, which the
> >> climate models don't have, AFAIK, apart from the basic stuff, being as
> >> they are, computer models.
> >
> >If you really think that you can get a general theory for the weather, 
> >for rainfall, for wind and sea currents and hugely complicated data 
> >down to a few formulae like in some basic electromagnetic or 
> >thermodynamic theories, you are way wrong. The subject matter is just 
> >not that general.
> 
> Indeed. The systems are far too complex to be *convincingly* modelled.
> And we can't even measure the boundary conditions.

You go and unpack "convincingly" with a climate scientist who will 
take you through the whole thing and he or she will explain why he or 
she is convinced. I really think you have a poor perspective on the 
modelling and have not grasped sufficiently *the cautious 
interpretations* climate scientists use. You seem to be exaggerating a 
lot of things in this matter.

-- 
dorayme

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                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-09-01 08:04 +1000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-09-01 15:08 +1200
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-01 03:35 +0000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-09-01 15:45 +1200
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-09-01 14:13 +1000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-09-01 13:58 +1000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-09-01 17:33 +1200
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-08-31 07:41 +0000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-08-31 17:32 +0000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-31 17:38 +0000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-08-31 22:01 +0000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-31 22:47 +0000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-30 18:20 -0700
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-08-31 08:02 +0000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-31 02:47 -0700
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-08-31 20:41 +1000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-31 14:58 +0000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-31 12:35 -0500
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-31 17:40 +0000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-31 10:54 -0700
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-01 13:14 -0500
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-01 12:16 -0700
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-01 16:20 -0500
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-01 18:19 -0700
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 16:23 -0400
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-01 13:18 -0500
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-01 12:18 -0700
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-01 16:27 -0500
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 20:04 -0400
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-01 18:20 -0700
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 03:14 -0400
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-02 07:42 -0700
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-02 07:57 -0700
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-09-02 16:36 +0100
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-02 09:04 -0700
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-09-03 03:11 +1200
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 21:31 -0400
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 21:48 -0400
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-01 18:40 -0700
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-02 02:43 +0000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 03:15 -0400
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-09-02 08:33 +0100
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-09-02 20:23 +1000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-09-02 12:16 +0100
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-09-05 17:35 +1000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-09-05 08:53 +0100
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-09-05 19:16 +1000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-09-05 12:30 +0100
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-09-05 22:26 +1000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-09-05 16:58 +0100
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-05 16:14 +0000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-09-06 04:17 +1200
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-09-06 08:01 +1000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 00:26 -0400
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-09-06 15:35 +1000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-09-06 18:47 -0700
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-09-07 15:02 +1200
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-09-06 21:05 -0700
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-09-07 22:05 +1200
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-07 07:57 -0700
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-09-08 04:26 +1200
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-08 00:06 +0000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? "Ed H." <fake@notreal.net> - 2015-09-08 07:10 -0500
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-09-08 12:13 +0000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 09:15 -0400
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 23:46 -0400
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-09-09 01:50 -0700
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-09 11:10 -0400
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-08 08:01 -0700
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-09-09 08:28 +1000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-09-09 22:12 +0100
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-09-10 11:55 +1000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-09-14 17:47 +0100
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-09-15 07:54 +1000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-09-15 09:19 +1000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-09-15 09:59 +1200
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-15 05:11 +0000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 09:22 -0400
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-09-11 07:27 +1000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 18:34 -0400
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-09-07 14:08 +1000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-09-06 22:12 -0700
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-09-07 16:01 +1000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-09-07 00:23 -0700
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-07 16:01 -0400
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-05 09:19 -0500
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 15:17 -0400
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-09-01 21:22 -0700
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-02 06:30 +0000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-02 06:27 +0000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-05 09:10 -0500
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-09-02 22:11 +1200
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-09-04 16:03 +1200
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-03 21:22 -0700
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 07:53 -0400
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-04 14:52 +0000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-09-05 17:44 +1200
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-09-05 08:11 +0100
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-09-05 22:50 +1200
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-09-05 12:32 +0100
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-09-06 02:54 +1200
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-05 14:51 +0000
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-05 19:11 -0500
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-05 18:14 -0700
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-06 11:27 -0500
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 07:51 -0400
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-06 11:30 -0500
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-09-06 18:05 -0700
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-09-07 07:11 -0400
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-05 09:07 -0500
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 15:19 -0400
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-01 17:06 -0400
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-01 16:32 -0500
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-01 20:38 -0400
              Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-30 09:36 -0400
                Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 10:35 -0400
              Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-08-31 22:40 +0000
        Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-08-29 18:43 +0000
          Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-08-29 15:06 -0400
            Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-08-30 02:00 +0000
              Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-30 02:35 +0000
          Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Jim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 14:14 -0700
            Re: A good free EXIF removal software for Mac OS X? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-29 22:07 +0000

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