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Re: Smokers are smarter, I say.

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On 5/7/17, 9:38 AM, in article W3IPA.30518$sS7.12250@fx40.iad, "Wolf K"
<wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> On 2017-05-06 12:26, Snit wrote:
>> [...]Keep in mind that, as far as you have shown,
>> NONE of the scientific disciplines that show evidence of man-made global
>> climate change have ignored the fact that the climate has changed in the
>> past, nor have any of the major models left that out.
> 
> Our school received Science, the AAAS journal, because the science dept
> head was a member. Around 1975 +/-, Science published a special issue on
> weather and climate modelling. One group reported that on some runs
> their model showed a major climate change within a couple of centuries
> instead of 5,000 years and up, as had been deduced from the climate
> record in ice cores, tree rings, lake bottom sediments, etc. the usual
> rate of change was around 50,000 to 100,000 years. The authors figured
> there was something wrong with their model, but couldn't figure out
> what. But they did say that if the model was substantially correct, then
> ideas about how fast the climate could change would have to be revised.
> And that changes in average temperatures etc that were showing up in the
> long-term weather records might be early warning signs of climate change.
> 
> Kindly note how cautious they were. They did not want to believe that
> their model was correct, because the results conflicted with everything
> they believed they knew about the climate.
> 
> Since then, weather and climate models have become much more powerful.
> E.g., we expect 3-day weather forecasts to be accurate. When I was
> growing up, we expected a the morning's 1-day forecast to change by
> evening. The climate models have incorporated more historical data, and
> more feedback loops. The chaotic nature of the whole system has become
> more apparent: Major changes in a variable have little effect until a
> tipping point is reached, and then even a small change in that variable
> tips the whole system into a different state.
> 
> The climate can indeed change within a couple 100 years. I think it's
> happening.
> 
> FYI, here's the latest news on a slow-motion disaster:
> http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-39779761
> 
> When the Larsen ice-shelf breaks up, there will be more open sea. Ice
> reflects heat from the sun, open sea absorbs heat. The Antarctic seas
> will warm up. That will speed up disintegration of the ice-shelves,
> which will create even more open water, and even warmer seas around
> Antarctica. That will result in warmer weather over the continent, which
> will speed up melting of the Antarctic ice pack. Just how fast the whole
> process will take is, as they say, "not well understood." But it's a
> feedback loop. The ice pack will melt ever more quickly, raising
> sea-levels by several meters.
> 
> I suspect even JWS and Sprang know how a feedback loop behaves.
> 
> Have a good day.

What is sad is how much money and effort is put into denying this ONE area
of science (or, I suppose, the multiple ones tied to climate). Nobody is
putting that much effort into denying other sciences.

That right there shows there is something fishy going on.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-06 14:32 +0100
  Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-06 09:26 -0700
    Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-07 12:38 -0400
      Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Sprang <spring@sprung.invalid> - 2017-05-07 17:16 +0000
        Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Beezel Bub <nunya@bizz.invalid> - 2017-05-07 11:24 -0600
          Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Sprang <spring@sprung.invalid> - 2017-05-07 17:57 +0000
            Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-07 14:32 -0400
              Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Sprang <spring@sprung.invalid> - 2017-05-07 18:36 +0000
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 12:53 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Sprang <spring@sprung.invalid> - 2017-05-07 21:51 +0000
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 15:02 -0700
            Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 11:59 -0700
        Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-07 14:18 -0400
          Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Sprang <spring@sprung.invalid> - 2017-05-07 18:24 +0000
            Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-07 15:18 -0400
              Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Sprang <spring@sprung.invalid> - 2017-05-07 19:35 +0000
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 13:06 -0700
          Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Sprang <spring@sprung.invalid> - 2017-05-07 18:50 +0000
            Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 12:12 -0700
              Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Sprang <spring@sprung.invalid> - 2017-05-07 19:48 +0000
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 12:55 -0700
          Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 11:56 -0700
      Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 11:57 -0700
    Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-08 00:09 +0100
      Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 16:24 -0700

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