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Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.system, alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.cellular-phone-tech
Subject Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution
Date 2017-04-20 10:35 -0700
Message-ID <D51E3F75.A07C1%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> (permalink)
References (16 earlier) <op.yyz2wrxyjs98qf@red.lan> <dPCdnUmpQcWYR2XFnZ2dnUU7-UGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <op.yyz414w0js98qf@red.lan> <D51E336A.A078B%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <op.yyz7qrxhjs98qf@red.lan>

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On 4/20/17, 10:19 AM, in article op.yyz7qrxhjs98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 17:44:10 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/20/17, 9:21 AM, in article op.yyz414w0js98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
>> Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 16:55:49 +0100, Marek Novotny
>>> <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 2017-04-20, James Wilkinson Sword <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> // snip
>>>> 
>>>>> If you don't know what intelligence means, you ought to invest in
>>>>> a dictionary.
>>>> 
>>>> You're feeding the troll. I suggest starving the troll.
>>> 
>>> Fell free to killfile it if you wish.
>> 
>> Those who troll COLA are going to increase their begging for people to not
>> speak to me.
>> 
>> I actually work to help desktop Linux do better -- I speak of its benefits
>> but, more importantly based on the level of the ecosystem, I have for years
>> spoken of what it would take to make it actually useful to more people. I
>> have had a goal of seeing it move from the 1% it used to be stuck at to
>> increase. It is now double that (though that might include ChromeOS, and if
>> it does I admit that weakens my position here).
>> 
>>     <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinuxTrendNov2007-Present.png>
>> 
>> Now, of course, I am not going to pretend my efforts are what boosted it...
>> I am but a bit player in a much larger open source world. But I do educate
>> people about Linux, both the pros and cons. I do turn in bug reports and
>> help developers see what the issues in their products are from the eyes of
>> users. I do share information in COLA and elsewhere as to what is needed for
>> desktop Linux to gain users and compete better with Windows and macOS.
>> 
>> I join those such as Mark Shuttleworth, Jim Zemlin, the KDE and GNOME teams,
>> and many others in contributing where I can.
>> 
>> Many in COLA work against this. And as desktop Linux does better they will
>> increase their trolling. They will become more desperate and attack those of
>> us who seek to help it grow.
> 
> So what we've got is a bunch of trolls calling everyone else trolls?  How
> childish.  Is there such a thing as a troll?  I've never seen one, just people
> calling everyone else a troll because they're in disagreement with them.

I generally refer to those who troll as that -- those who troll. I will
point out and respond to their trolling and note specific claims which are
obvious lies, but I rarely engage in name calling and say someone IS a troll
or IS a liar (though there are some exceptions).

As much as I prefer to talk about tech, I openly admit I spend a lot of my
posts responding to trolling. My first degree was in psychology (just a
bachelors, not anything big) and I find the cult-like mentality of COLA to
be interesting. While there are some religious and even political groups
where I have seen things close to this, I sincerely know of no open group
which is as cult-like as COLA. Post there for a bit: you will be accused of
being someone's sock (likely mine... and ongoing gag is how everyone is me),
and if you speak of how you find a weakness in Linux, even if you like it,
you will be attacked (unless you have made it through their lengthy
initiation or are actively attacking those consider to be "false" Linux
users). Even with my openly speaking about this they sincerely cannot stop
themselves.

They have tied their egos to Linux and any sign of a weakness in Linux they
take as a personal attack. They also will insist if you use another OS that
you must be as tied to the same way, and make claims that if you cannot do
some task that the OS itself cannot handle it (this as made even in relation
to a script someone had started something like a year before that was tied
to a VPN service he used and paid for and would not work without such a
service... and would apparently work unmodified on macOS or almost any other
UNIX).

It really is an interesting insight into group-think and cultish behavior.


-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-15 21:53 +0100
  Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-15 15:21 -0700
    Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-20 14:26 +0100
      Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-20 08:05 -0700
        Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-20 16:11 +0100
          Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-20 08:22 -0700
            Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-20 16:35 +0100
              Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-20 08:49 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-20 17:21 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-20 09:37 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-20 18:19 +0100
              Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-04-20 10:55 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-20 17:21 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-20 09:44 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-20 18:19 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-20 10:35 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2017-04-20 14:01 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-20 20:09 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2017-04-20 14:47 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-20 21:04 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2017-04-20 15:31 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-20 22:04 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Sprang <spring@sprung.invalid> - 2017-04-20 21:08 +0000
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2017-04-20 17:06 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-20 23:16 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2017-04-20 17:23 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-20 15:26 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2017-04-20 17:29 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-20 15:18 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-20 12:34 -0700
            Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-20 11:56 -0400
              Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-20 17:22 +0100
        Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-20 11:52 -0400
          Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-20 09:03 -0700

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