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  OS X and the iToy ecosystem AES <siegman@stanford.edu> - 2011-04-15 07:03 -0700
    Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-15 09:58 -0500
      Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-15 16:37 -0400
    Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 08:12 -0700
      Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem AES <siegman@stanford.edu> - 2011-04-15 11:10 -0700
      Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-15 16:38 -0400
        Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-15 17:54 -0400
        Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 14:56 -0700
          Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-15 19:27 -0400
            Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 22:32 -0700
              Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> - 2011-04-16 10:15 +0000
              Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-16 10:42 -0500
    Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-15 11:37 -0400
      Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-15 12:51 -0400
        Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 17:10 +0200
          Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2011-04-17 11:29 -0500
            Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem sbt <dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid> - 2011-04-17 11:16 -0700
              Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-04-17 11:48 -0700
                Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-18 10:22 +0200
                  Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-04-18 07:44 -0500
                    Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2011-04-18 08:47 -0400
                      Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> - 2011-04-18 14:13 +0000
                        Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-19 13:42 +0200
                        Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-19 22:12 -0400
                          Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> - 2011-04-20 11:33 +0000
                    Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Kiraly <ggrandish@gmail.com> - 2011-04-18 15:16 -0700
                      Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-18 19:48 -0400
                        Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2011-04-19 02:58 +0000
                  Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-18 07:45 -0500
                    Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2011-04-18 10:13 -0400
                      Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-18 14:49 -0500
                    Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2011-04-18 22:53 +0000
            Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-18 10:20 +0200
          Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-17 12:37 -0400
    Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2011-04-15 17:11 -0500
    Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> - 2011-04-16 10:15 +0000

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#1431

In article <912q0vFk24U1@mid.individual.net>,
 Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> wrote:

> How about calling it .Mac?
> 
> (Yes, I know that would be stupid considering how many non-Mac users are
> potential customers).
> 
> Cheers,

Wait, wait, how about:

iWorld

?
-- 
If you could teach a cat to dance, 
you'd never have to leave the house.
  -- Pat Sajak

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#1435

Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <912q0vFk24U1@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> wrote:
> 
>> How about calling it .Mac?
>> 
>> (Yes, I know that would be stupid considering how many non-Mac users are
>> potential customers).
>> 
>> Cheers,
> 
> Wait, wait, how about:
> 
> iWorld

iCloud

-- 
this is not a signture

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#1462

In article 
<1462666200324826829.906201g.kreme-gmail.com@news.eternal-september.org>
,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> wrote:

> Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <912q0vFk24U1@mid.individual.net>,
> >  Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> wrote:
> > 
> >> How about calling it .Mac?
> >> 
> >> (Yes, I know that would be stupid considering how many non-Mac users are
> >> potential customers).
> >> 
> >> Cheers,
> > 
> > Wait, wait, how about:
> > 
> > iWorld
> 
> iCloud

So I tapped in icloud.com ...

and was redirected to CloudMe.com.

One could go on seemingly forever collecting 2GB of backup space here, 3 
GB of backup space there at the moment...

-- 
Paul Sture

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#1490

On 04-18-2011 10:13, Lewis wrote:
> Warren Oates<warren.oates@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> iWorld
>
> iCloud

Cloud X

Successor to Cloud Nine.

Complete redesign.

-- 
Wes Groleau

    From the cowardice that shrinks from new truth,
    From the laziness that is content with half-truths,
    From the arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
    O God of Truth, deliver us.
                 --Leslie Dixon Weatherhead
                 --Rabbi Mordechai M. Kaplan
                 --ancient prayer
                 --unknown
                 --(no attempt at attribution)
(a thousand thanks to someone who can tell me who
  really wrote it AND persuade me they're not making it up!)

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#1503

Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 04-18-2011 10:13, Lewis wrote:
>> Warren Oates<warren.oates@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> iWorld
>> 
>> iCloud
> 
> Cloud X
> 
> Successor to Cloud Nine.
> 
> Complete redesign.

Nice!

-- 
this is not a signture

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#1446

On Apr 18, 5:44 am, Jeffrey Goldberg <nob...@goldmark.org> wrote:
> How about calling it .Mac?
>
> (Yes, I know that would be stupid considering how many non-Mac users are
> potential customers).

They might consder iTools...

--
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#1449

Kiraly wrote:

> 
> They might consder iTools...

Since this "cloud" thing is about remote storage, how about:

iStore !!!!!

or iVapourware ?


I fully expect that service to be proprietary and not really of any use
to those running Linux or Windows.

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#1454

In comp.sys.mac.apps JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> Since this "cloud" thing is about remote storage, how about:
> 
> iStore !!!!!
> 
> or iVapourware ?

Or how about iSpace?  Or even "i "?

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#1430

In article <paul.nospam-DEB940.10220318042011@pbook.sture.ch>,
 Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> wrote:

> In article <michelle-6CB5B0.11485817042011@news.eternal-september.org>,
>  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> > In article <170420111116276655%dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid>,
> >  sbt <dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid> wrote:
> > 
> > > MobileMe already provides the "cloud service", but it is probably going 
> > > to be expanded.
> > 
> > Or maybe replaced.
> 
> The name MobileMe doesn't convey the cloud image to me.  I'd expect at 
> least a rebranding exercise.

It certainly might be a good idea!

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#1436

In article <jollyroger-B231A1.07453418042011@news.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> In article <paul.nospam-DEB940.10220318042011@pbook.sture.ch>,
>  Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> 
> > In article <michelle-6CB5B0.11485817042011@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <170420111116276655%dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid>,
> > >  sbt <dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > MobileMe already provides the "cloud service", but it is probably going 
> > > > to be expanded.
> > > 
> > > Or maybe replaced.
> > 
> > The name MobileMe doesn't convey the cloud image to me.  I'd expect at 
> > least a rebranding exercise.
> 
> It certainly might be a good idea!

Now there's a definitive statement. ;-)

-- 
Tom Stiller

PGP fingerprint =  5108 DDB2 9761 EDE5 E7E3  7BDA 71ED 6496 99C0 C7CF

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#1444

In article <tom_stiller-4CE722.10130218042011@news.individual.net>,
 Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <jollyroger-B231A1.07453418042011@news.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <paul.nospam-DEB940.10220318042011@pbook.sture.ch>,
> >  Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <michelle-6CB5B0.11485817042011@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > >  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > In article <170420111116276655%dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid>,
> > > >  sbt <dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > MobileMe already provides the "cloud service", but it is probably 
> > > > > going 
> > > > > to be expanded.
> > > > 
> > > > Or maybe replaced.
> > > 
> > > The name MobileMe doesn't convey the cloud image to me.  I'd expect at 
> > > least a rebranding exercise.
> > 
> > It certainly might be a good idea!
> 
> Now there's a definitive statement. ;-)

I definitely probably should'a just kept my mouth shut.  : D

-- 
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#1448

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:45:34 UTC, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
wrote:

> In article <paul.nospam-DEB940.10220318042011@pbook.sture.ch>,
>  Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> 
> > In article <michelle-6CB5B0.11485817042011@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <170420111116276655%dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid>,
> > >  sbt <dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > MobileMe already provides the "cloud service", but it is probably going 
> > > > to be expanded.
> > > 
> > > Or maybe replaced.
> > 
> > The name MobileMe doesn't convey the cloud image to me.  I'd expect at 
> > least a rebranding exercise.
> 
> It certainly might be a good idea!
 
"MobileMe" always struck me as a silly name, and "me.com" is even 
worse.

-- 
John Varela

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#1420

In article <timmcn-0F3A78.11294117042011@news.iphouse.com>,
 Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:

> In article <paul.nospam-2DF221.17102417042011@pbook.sture.ch>,
>  Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> 
> > In article <2JednZAWHdE26jXQnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> > 
> > > As to servers, it's a commodity market where there is competition 
> > > outside the Apple walls that businesses can't ignore on an 
> > > immediate capital outlay basis.
> > 
> > The server market is not just a commodity market, though that does 
> > make up a significant chunk of it.
> > 
> > Oracle and Cisco are now making moves into the server market, and 
> > then there are all the cloud offerings from Amazon, Google, VMware, 
> > Microsoft, none of whom have been hardware suppliers in the past (OK 
> > VMware belongs to EMC now).
> 
> And some kind of cloud service probably pending from Apple, given that 
> they have built a new giant data center in the past year and may be 
> building another one, IIRC.  Whether they are positioning themselves to 
> do some kind of enterprise cloud service remains to be seen.

I'd forgotten about that.

> Funny that the PC revolution has come full circle and is now looking 
> more and more like the old IBM model of terminals on a mainframe.  If 
> you keep thinking different long enough, I guess you end up back where 
> you started...

In the same way that we moved from block mode IBM terminals (send a 
whole screen of data, then validate it) to asynchronous serial terminals 
where you could validate on a field by field basis, we have now moved to 
AJAX (asynchronous JavaScript and XML), which can do the same.

And there's been a lot of talk lately about virtual desktops.  The 
killer for that years ago was bandwidth, but we have that now.

We've come full circle, except now we have pretty graphics.

But it's got so complex on the way that very few if anybody at all can 
understand all the components in depth.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#1385

On 2011-04-17 11:10 AM, Paul Sture wrote:
> In article<2JednZAWHdE26jXQnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>   Alan Browne<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>  wrote:
>
>> As to servers, it's a commodity market where there is competition
>> outside the Apple walls that businesses can't ignore on an immediate
>> capital outlay basis.
>
> The server market is not just a commodity market, though that does make
> up a significant chunk of it.
>
> Oracle and Cisco are now making moves into the server market, and then
> there are all the cloud offerings from Amazon, Google, VMware,
> Microsoft, none of whom have been hardware suppliers in the past (OK
> VMware belongs to EMC now).
>

I was just pointing to the capital outlay side of servers.  At an 
extreme, look at Google with so many servers that it's worth it to them 
to design their own servers with no more components than absolutely 
necessary.  Not sure if they make them themselves - probably farmed out 
to some Asian co.

Then they run free server s/w (modified to their needs) - not OS X 
Server at several hundred a pop (volume license).


-- 
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#1318

In article 
<siegman-7CA871.07032315042011@bmedcfsc-srv02.tufts.ad.tufts.edu>,
 AES <siegman@stanford.edu> wrote:

> In article <4da7908a$0$25713$c3e8da3$2e0018d8@news.astraweb.com> 
> (which was part of the "Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, 
> changes - appleinsider" thread),
>  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > What it boils down to is that Apple is moving OS-X to the iToys 
> > support [role] and away from commercial/business use.  They 
> > probably see bigger market for home entertainment than for office 
> > stuff. 
> >
> 
> God, I hope this is not true!  But it could very possibly be the case 
> -- and if it were true, that single step would destroy Steve Jobs' 
> stature and reputation for every innovative contribution he's ever 
> made.

Given that one of the hottest markets for the iPad is enterprise, and 
that the iPhone has surpassed the Blackberry for enterprise use, I'd say 
that JF is dead wrong.  And your breathless hyperbole that "that single 
step would destroy Steve Jobs' (sic) stature and reputation" suffers the 
fate of all hyperbole.

What is happening is that offices trended away from pencil, paper and 
slide rules to calculators to mainframes to desktop computers to laptops 
and are now trending to tablets and smartphones.  Apple's leading that 
wave now.  Microsoft is stuck in the past with desktops and laptops and 
weak entries into smartphones and tablets.  Google's Android is making a 
strong entry into the smartphone market but as yet is stumbling in the 
tablet market (they're smart and they will find their footing by the end 
of 2011).

The "office" is again being redefined by new technology.  Don't overlook 
what's happening and Apple's place in it.  I already see lots of iPads 
and other ultraportables on wireless networks at my consulting sites, 
and this is in an industry that has avoided information technology 
investment for a very long time because it was too expensive and too 
complicated to train all but a few staff to use.

-- 
"It is not unfrequent to hear men declaim loudly upon liberty, who, if we may
judge by the whole tenor of their actions, mean nothing else by it but their 
own liberty ‹ to oppress without control or the restraint of laws all who 
are poorer or weaker than themselves."  Samuel Adams

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#1334

AES <siegman@stanford.edu> wrote:
> In article <4da7908a$0$25713$c3e8da3$2e0018d8@news.astraweb.com>
> (which was part of the "Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - 
> appleinsider" thread),
>  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

>> What it boils down to is that Apple is moving OS-X to the iToys support [role]
>> and away from commercial/business use.  They probably see bigger market
>> for home entertainment than for office stuff. 

> God, I hope this is not true!  But it could very possibly be the case -- 
> and if it were true, that single step would destroy Steve Jobs' stature 
> and reputation for every innovative contribution he's ever made.

Of course it's not true. 

-- 
this is not a signture

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