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  Why no pan binary for OSX?? Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 11:52 -0500
    Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? android <here@there.was> - 2016-03-16 18:05 +0100
      Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 13:43 -0500
        Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 18:52 +0000
          Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? android <here@there.was> - 2016-03-16 20:15 +0100
            Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 19:36 +0000
              Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 19:42 +0000
              Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? android <here@there.was> - 2016-03-16 20:44 +0100
          Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2016-03-18 13:34 +0000
            Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2016-03-18 09:35 -0500
              Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2016-03-18 16:28 +0000
          Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Michael Kallweitt <michael.kallweitt@posteo.de> - 2016-03-18 16:53 +0000
    Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-03-17 02:55 +0000
      Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? android <here@there.was> - 2016-03-17 06:57 +0100
        Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2016-03-17 07:38 -0500
          Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-03-17 12:54 +0000
            Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2016-03-17 08:26 -0500
              Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-03-17 14:18 +0000
                Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2016-03-17 09:44 -0500
                  Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-03-17 16:32 +0000
                    Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2016-03-17 11:47 -0500
              Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-03-17 19:13 +0000
        Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-03-17 12:50 +0000
          Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? android <here@there.was> - 2016-03-17 14:05 +0100
            Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-03-17 19:12 +0000
              Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? android <here@there.was> - 2016-03-17 20:27 +0100
      Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2016-03-17 07:38 -0500
        Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-03-17 14:54 +0000
          Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2016-03-17 10:45 -0500
            Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-03-17 15:55 +0000
              Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? android <here@there.was> - 2016-03-17 17:00 +0100
              Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2016-03-17 11:00 -0500
              Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-03-17 19:15 +0000
                Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-03-17 21:44 +0000
                  Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-03-17 18:28 -0400
                    Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-03-17 23:16 +0000
                  Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-03-17 23:18 +0000
                    Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-03-18 14:21 +0000
                      Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-03-19 01:51 +0000
                    Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Michael Kallweitt <michael.kallweitt@posteo.de> - 2016-03-18 15:59 +0000
                      Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-03-19 01:52 +0000
                        Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Michael Kallweitt <michael.kallweitt@posteo.de> - 2016-03-19 07:38 +0000
                          Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-03-19 12:21 +0000
                    Re: Why no pan binary for OSX?? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-03-18 12:13 -0400

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#34846

Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2016-03-17, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2016-03-17, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> [47 lines snipped]
>>> 
>>>> There is a more than fair chance I'll never use all of that again.  Mostly
>>>> because I don't use the MB 12" very much unless I'm wanting to work with
>>>> Sibelius.  Frankly if I had my druthers, I'd druther just have installed a
>>>> pan binary.  Is there some reason that binaries can't be made available as
>>>> they are for Windows and Linux?
>>> 
>>> Because someone has to rewrite pan to run under OS/X?
>>> 
>> 
>> I don't think that is it.  Possibly because there are things missing from a
>> standard OSX install, like X11 though.
> 
> Which is why it has to be rewritten.
> 
> 

Uh no.  There is no indication that it was re-written.  We've had one here
that got the source code and compiled and based on the pan documentation,
it has been a very long time since that code was last updated, unless I
misread something.  

-- 
Lloyd

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#34849

In message <1867107590.479913623.190348.lloydp21-live.com@news.individual.net> 
  Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <1701538606.479910937.728368.lloydp21-live.com@news.individual.net> 
>>   Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>> android <here@there.was> wrote:
>>>> In article <slrnnek7ar.13tu.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
>>>> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> In message <dkthaeF2027U1@mid.individual.net> 
>>>>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Binaries are available for pan for almost every other platform it is 
>>>>>> available for, but none for OSX.  I'd love to have pan for my MacBook 
>>>>>> 12" but don't want to diddle with compiling it myself.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Its trivial to compile.
>>>>> 
>>>>> % git clone git://git.gnome.org/pan2
>>>>> % cd pan2
>>>>> % ./autogen.sh; make
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Currently use Unison when I'm on the Mac, but pan is so much better and 
>>>>>> is cross platform.  I've got it on Windows and on my Pixel Chromebook 
>>>>>> with Linux.
>>>> 
>>>> MacPorts installs all the dependencies needed for the compile. Whatever 
>>>> port you wanna install.
>> 
>>> It certainly worked well for me.
>> 
>>> As a question, how big is Xcode and the MacPorts stuff you need to compile
>>> their ports?  I know it took a significant amount of time to get Xcode
>>> installed.
>> 
>> On my iMac Xcode is 5.7GB, but I'm not sure it's the current version.
>> 
>> MacPorts was not small either. /opt/local/var/macports was close to a
>> gig, as I recall (that is, macports without installing anything at all).
>> 
>> I used Macports for a long time, but the requirement for Xcode has
>> caused me to abandon it.
>> 

> So what are you using instead?

Either I compile things manually, or for things with lots of
dependencies I am using Homebrew.


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#34834

In message <here-1A7EE5.06571317032016@news.individual.net> 
  android <here@there.was> wrote:
> In article <slrnnek7ar.13tu.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> In message <dkthaeF2027U1@mid.individual.net> 
>>   Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Binaries are available for pan for almost every other platform it is 
>> > available for, but none for OSX.  I'd love to have pan for my MacBook 
>> > 12" but don't want to diddle with compiling it myself.
>> 
>> Its trivial to compile.
>> 
>> % git clone git://git.gnome.org/pan2
>> % cd pan2
>> % ./autogen.sh; make
>> 
>> > Currently use Unison when I'm on the Mac, but pan is so much better and 
>> > is cross platform.  I've got it on Windows and on my Pixel Chromebook 
>> > with Linux.

> MacPorts installs all the dependencies needed for the compile. Whatever 
> port you wanna install.

Sure, but installing MacPorts is a pain in the ass and it breaks
constantly AND it requires the full install of XCode. I've given up on
MacPorts just for the latter reason as I cannot keep a 6GB binary around
on my laptop that is completely unnecessary.

-- 
Why live in the world when you can live in your head?

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#34836

In article <slrnnela6j.18oi.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <here-1A7EE5.06571317032016@news.individual.net> 
>   android <here@there.was> wrote:
> > In article <slrnnek7ar.13tu.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
> >  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> >> In message <dkthaeF2027U1@mid.individual.net> 
> >>   Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Binaries are available for pan for almost every other platform it is 
> >> > available for, but none for OSX.  I'd love to have pan for my MacBook 
> >> > 12" but don't want to diddle with compiling it myself.
> >> 
> >> Its trivial to compile.
> >> 
> >> % git clone git://git.gnome.org/pan2
> >> % cd pan2
> >> % ./autogen.sh; make
> >> 
> >> > Currently use Unison when I'm on the Mac, but pan is so much better and 
> >> > is cross platform.  I've got it on Windows and on my Pixel Chromebook 
> >> > with Linux.
> 
> > MacPorts installs all the dependencies needed for the compile. Whatever 
> > port you wanna install.
> 
> Sure, but installing MacPorts is a pain in the ass and it breaks
> constantly AND it requires the full install of XCode.

I don't remember the isnstallation of MacPorts as difficult nor that it 
breaks "constantly". And I want the dev tools anyways...

 I've given up on
> MacPorts just for the latter reason as I cannot keep a 6GB binary around
> on my laptop that is completely unnecessary.

If you don't have 6GB to spare then you don't have 6GB to spare. Once 
Macports installed you've got a world of UNIX software available to you.

http://www.macports.org/ports.php
-- 
teleportation kills

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#34848

In message <here-41BB2C.14050317032016@news.individual.net> 
  android <here@there.was> wrote:
> In article <slrnnela6j.18oi.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> In message <here-1A7EE5.06571317032016@news.individual.net> 
>>   android <here@there.was> wrote:
>> > In article <slrnnek7ar.13tu.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
>> >  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> 
>> >> In message <dkthaeF2027U1@mid.individual.net> 
>> >>   Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Binaries are available for pan for almost every other platform it is 
>> >> > available for, but none for OSX.  I'd love to have pan for my MacBook 
>> >> > 12" but don't want to diddle with compiling it myself.
>> >> 
>> >> Its trivial to compile.
>> >> 
>> >> % git clone git://git.gnome.org/pan2
>> >> % cd pan2
>> >> % ./autogen.sh; make
>> >> 
>> >> > Currently use Unison when I'm on the Mac, but pan is so much better and 
>> >> > is cross platform.  I've got it on Windows and on my Pixel Chromebook 
>> >> > with Linux.
>> 
>> > MacPorts installs all the dependencies needed for the compile. Whatever 
>> > port you wanna install.
>> 
>> Sure, but installing MacPorts is a pain in the ass and it breaks
>> constantly AND it requires the full install of XCode.

> I don't remember the isnstallation of MacPorts as difficult nor that it 
> breaks "constantly". And I want the dev tools anyways...

It breaks (by design) with every new version of the OS.

>> I've given up on MacPorts just for the latter reason as I cannot keep
>> a 6GB binary around on my laptop that is completely unnecessary.

> If you don't have 6GB to spare then you don't have 6GB to spare. Once 
> Macports installed you've got a world of UNIX software available to you.

I have a world of UNIX software available without Macports too. And I
save 6GB on my laptop.

The annoyance is that there is *no* reason for Macports to require
XCode. None. At all.


-- 
The fact is that camels are far more intelligent than dolphins.
Footnote: Never trust a species that grins all the time. It's up to
something. --Pyramids

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#34851

In article <slrnnem0j7.1cu8.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <here-41BB2C.14050317032016@news.individual.net> 
>   android <here@there.was> wrote:
> > In article <slrnnela6j.18oi.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
> >  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> >> In message <here-1A7EE5.06571317032016@news.individual.net> 
> >>   android <here@there.was> wrote:
> >> > In article <slrnnek7ar.13tu.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
> >> >  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >> In message <dkthaeF2027U1@mid.individual.net> 
> >> >>   Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Binaries are available for pan for almost every other platform it is 
> >> >> > available for, but none for OSX.  I'd love to have pan for my MacBook 
> >> >> > 12" but don't want to diddle with compiling it myself.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Its trivial to compile.
> >> >> 
> >> >> % git clone git://git.gnome.org/pan2
> >> >> % cd pan2
> >> >> % ./autogen.sh; make
> >> >> 
> >> >> > Currently use Unison when I'm on the Mac, but pan is so much better 
> >> >> > and 
> >> >> > is cross platform.  I've got it on Windows and on my Pixel Chromebook 
> >> >> > with Linux.
> >> 
> >> > MacPorts installs all the dependencies needed for the compile. Whatever 
> >> > port you wanna install.
> >> 
> >> Sure, but installing MacPorts is a pain in the ass and it breaks
> >> constantly AND it requires the full install of XCode.
> 
> > I don't remember the isnstallation of MacPorts as difficult nor that it 
> > breaks "constantly". And I want the dev tools anyways...
> 
> It breaks (by design) with every new version of the OS.
> 
> >> I've given up on MacPorts just for the latter reason as I cannot keep
> >> a 6GB binary around on my laptop that is completely unnecessary.
> 
> > If you don't have 6GB to spare then you don't have 6GB to spare. Once 
> > Macports installed you've got a world of UNIX software available to you.
> 
> I have a world of UNIX software available without Macports too. And I
> save 6GB on my laptop.

The portsystem is a convenient way of installing software. Much like 
Gentoo Linux.

http://www.gentoo.org/
> 
> The annoyance is that there is *no* reason for Macports to require
> XCode. None. At all.

You use Homebrew instead... Easy to uninstall it seems... Oki...

http://brew.sh/
-- 
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#34832

Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <dkthaeF2027U1@mid.individual.net> 
>   Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Binaries are available for pan for almost every other platform it is 
>> available for, but none for OSX.  I'd love to have pan for my MacBook 
>> 12" but don't want to diddle with compiling it myself.
> 
> Its trivial to compile.
> 
> % git clone git://git.gnome.org/pan2
> % cd pan2
> % ./autogen.sh; make
> 
Those were on the tip of my tongue, so obvious, right?  :)

And to do it that way I suppose I didn't need to add anything else to my MB
install?

Nope, on both counts.  But thanks anyway.

-- 
Lloyd

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#34840

On 2016-03-17, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <dkthaeF2027U1@mid.individual.net> 
>>   Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Binaries are available for pan for almost every other platform it is 
>>> available for, but none for OSX.  I'd love to have pan for my MacBook 
>>> 12" but don't want to diddle with compiling it myself.
>> 
>> Its trivial to compile.
>> 
>> % git clone git://git.gnome.org/pan2
>> % cd pan2
>> % ./autogen.sh; make
>> 
> Those were on the tip of my tongue, so obvious, right?  :)
>
> And to do it that way I suppose I didn't need to add anything else to my MB
> install?
>
> Nope, on both counts.  But thanks anyway.

You certainly do not need the extra overhead of macports.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#34841

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2016-03-17, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>> In message <dkthaeF2027U1@mid.individual.net> 
>>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Binaries are available for pan for almost every other platform it is 
>>>> available for, but none for OSX.  I'd love to have pan for my MacBook 
>>>> 12" but don't want to diddle with compiling it myself.
>>> 
>>> Its trivial to compile.
>>> 
>>> % git clone git://git.gnome.org/pan2
>>> % cd pan2
>>> % ./autogen.sh; make
>>> 
>> Those were on the tip of my tongue, so obvious, right?  :)
>> 
>> And to do it that way I suppose I didn't need to add anything else to my MB
>> install?
>> 
>> Nope, on both counts.  But thanks anyway.
> 
> You certainly do not need the extra overhead of macports.
> 

So what do you use if not Xcode and MacPorts?

-- 
Lloyd

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#34842

On 2016-03-17, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2016-03-17, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>> In message <dkthaeF2027U1@mid.individual.net> 
>>>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Binaries are available for pan for almost every other platform it is 
>>>>> available for, but none for OSX.  I'd love to have pan for my MacBook 
>>>>> 12" but don't want to diddle with compiling it myself.
>>>> 
>>>> Its trivial to compile.
>>>> 
>>>> % git clone git://git.gnome.org/pan2
>>>> % cd pan2
>>>> % ./autogen.sh; make
>>>> 
>>> Those were on the tip of my tongue, so obvious, right?  :)
>>> 
>>> And to do it that way I suppose I didn't need to add anything else to my MB
>>> install?
>>> 
>>> Nope, on both counts.  But thanks anyway.
>> 
>> You certainly do not need the extra overhead of macports.
>
> So what do you use if not Xcode and MacPorts?

Please pay attention. I didn't say Xcode is not required. Naturally, you
can't compile without a compiler, which is what Xcode provides. 

Again, MacPorts is not needed.

-- 
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#34843

In article <dl02b0FlknuU1@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> Please pay attention. I didn't say Xcode is not required. Naturally, you
> can't compile without a compiler, which is what Xcode provides. 

Good to know!
-- 
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#34844

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2016-03-17, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2016-03-17, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>>> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>>> In message <dkthaeF2027U1@mid.individual.net> 
>>>>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Binaries are available for pan for almost every other platform it is 
>>>>>> available for, but none for OSX.  I'd love to have pan for my MacBook 
>>>>>> 12" but don't want to diddle with compiling it myself.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Its trivial to compile.
>>>>> 
>>>>> % git clone git://git.gnome.org/pan2
>>>>> % cd pan2
>>>>> % ./autogen.sh; make
>>>>> 
>>>> Those were on the tip of my tongue, so obvious, right?  :)
>>>> 
>>>> And to do it that way I suppose I didn't need to add anything else to my MB
>>>> install?
>>>> 
>>>> Nope, on both counts.  But thanks anyway.
>>> 
>>> You certainly do not need the extra overhead of macports.
>> 
>> So what do you use if not Xcode and MacPorts?
> 
> Please pay attention. I didn't say Xcode is not required. Naturally, you
> can't compile without a compiler, which is what Xcode provides. 
> 
> Again, MacPorts is not needed.
> 
OK thanks.  I didn't think you were using XCode but possibly some other
product.

-- 
Lloyd

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#34850

In message <dl02b0FlknuU1@mid.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2016-03-17, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2016-03-17, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>>> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>>> In message <dkthaeF2027U1@mid.individual.net> 
>>>>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Binaries are available for pan for almost every other platform it is 
>>>>>> available for, but none for OSX.  I'd love to have pan for my MacBook 
>>>>>> 12" but don't want to diddle with compiling it myself.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Its trivial to compile.
>>>>> 
>>>>> % git clone git://git.gnome.org/pan2
>>>>> % cd pan2
>>>>> % ./autogen.sh; make
>>>>> 
>>>> Those were on the tip of my tongue, so obvious, right?  :)
>>>> 
>>>> And to do it that way I suppose I didn't need to add anything else to my MB
>>>> install?
>>>> 
>>>> Nope, on both counts.  But thanks anyway.
>>> 
>>> You certainly do not need the extra overhead of macports.
>>
>> So what do you use if not Xcode and MacPorts?

> Please pay attention. I didn't say Xcode is not required. Naturally, you
> can't compile without a compiler, which is what Xcode provides. 

You only need the command lines tools (about 300MB last I looked, I
think). You do not need XCode to get the command line tools.

-- 
when you're no longer searching for beauty or love, just some kind of
life with the edges taken off. When you can't even define what it is
that you're frightened of...

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#34852

On 2016-03-17, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <dl02b0FlknuU1@mid.individual.net> 
>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2016-03-17, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2016-03-17, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>>>> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <dkthaeF2027U1@mid.individual.net> 
>>>>>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Binaries are available for pan for almost every other platform it is 
>>>>>>> available for, but none for OSX.  I'd love to have pan for my MacBook 
>>>>>>> 12" but don't want to diddle with compiling it myself.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Its trivial to compile.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> % git clone git://git.gnome.org/pan2
>>>>>> % cd pan2
>>>>>> % ./autogen.sh; make
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Those were on the tip of my tongue, so obvious, right?  :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> And to do it that way I suppose I didn't need to add anything else to my MB
>>>>> install?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nope, on both counts.  But thanks anyway.
>>>> 
>>>> You certainly do not need the extra overhead of macports.
>>>
>>> So what do you use if not Xcode and MacPorts?
>
>> Please pay attention. I didn't say Xcode is not required. Naturally, you
>> can't compile without a compiler, which is what Xcode provides. 
>
> You only need the command lines tools (about 300MB last I looked, I
> think). You do not need XCode to get the command line tools.

While that's true starting with more recent versions of OS X, with older
versions, the full Xcode suite was required. Since I do OS X software
development, I typically have Xcode installed anyway.

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#34853

On 2016-03-17 17:44, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2016-03-17, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> You only need the command lines tools (about 300MB last I looked, I
>> think). You do not need XCode to get the command line tools.
>
> While that's true starting with more recent versions of OS X, with older
> versions, the full Xcode suite was required. Since I do OS X software
> development, I typically have Xcode installed anyway.

I do too just to support a very lightweight IDE and Pascal (and Ada and C).

If what is said above wrt command line tools is correct, then I'll try 
that - 300MB is much better than the bloated DL of XCode.

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#34854

On 2016-03-17, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2016-03-17 17:44, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2016-03-17, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>>> You only need the command lines tools (about 300MB last I looked, I
>>> think). You do not need XCode to get the command line tools.
>>
>> While that's true starting with more recent versions of OS X, with older
>> versions, the full Xcode suite was required. Since I do OS X software
>> development, I typically have Xcode installed anyway.
>
> I do too just to support a very lightweight IDE and Pascal (and Ada and C).
>
> If what is said above wrt command line tools is correct, then I'll try 
> that - 300MB is much better than the bloated DL of XCode.

I think with 10.9 and later, all you need is to issue this terminal
command:

xcode-select --install

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#34855

In message <dl0mq0Fr2k8U1@mid.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2016-03-17, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <dl02b0FlknuU1@mid.individual.net> 
>>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2016-03-17, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-03-17, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <dkthaeF2027U1@mid.individual.net> 
>>>>>>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Binaries are available for pan for almost every other platform it is 
>>>>>>>> available for, but none for OSX.  I'd love to have pan for my MacBook 
>>>>>>>> 12" but don't want to diddle with compiling it myself.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Its trivial to compile.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> % git clone git://git.gnome.org/pan2
>>>>>>> % cd pan2
>>>>>>> % ./autogen.sh; make
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Those were on the tip of my tongue, so obvious, right?  :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And to do it that way I suppose I didn't need to add anything else to my MB
>>>>>> install?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nope, on both counts.  But thanks anyway.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You certainly do not need the extra overhead of macports.
>>>>
>>>> So what do you use if not Xcode and MacPorts?
>>
>>> Please pay attention. I didn't say Xcode is not required. Naturally, you
>>> can't compile without a compiler, which is what Xcode provides. 
>>
>> You only need the command lines tools (about 300MB last I looked, I
>> think). You do not need XCode to get the command line tools.

> While that's true starting with more recent versions of OS X, with older
> versions, the full Xcode suite was required. 

Nah, you could always install the command-line tools on their own.

> Since I do OS X software development, I typically have Xcode installed
> anyway.

I have Xcode on my iMac, but I have close to 40TB of storage on that
machine.


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#34859

On 2016-03-17, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <dl0mq0Fr2k8U1@mid.individual.net> 
>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2016-03-17, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>> In message <dl02b0FlknuU1@mid.individual.net> 
>>>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please pay attention. I didn't say Xcode is not required. Naturally, you
>>>> can't compile without a compiler, which is what Xcode provides. 
>>>
>>> You only need the command lines tools (about 300MB last I looked, I
>>> think). You do not need XCode to get the command line tools.
>
>> While that's true starting with more recent versions of OS X, with older
>> versions, the full Xcode suite was required. 
>
> Nah, you could always install the command-line tools on their own.

Nope. You're remembering wrong. I've used Xcode a long time and remember
well that before 10.7, Apple did not provide a separate installer for
Xcode command-line tools. Apple's first stand-alone command-line tools
installer was released in 2012, after 10.7 was released. You could not
easily install them separately on earlier systems.  

You could fuck around with the installer to force it to install on
earlier systems though:

<http://kitcambridge.tumblr.com/post/17778742499/installing-the-xcode-command-line-tools-on-snow>

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#34865

In message <dl2h7iFaarpU1@mid.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2016-03-17, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <dl0mq0Fr2k8U1@mid.individual.net> 
>>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2016-03-17, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>> In message <dl02b0FlknuU1@mid.individual.net> 
>>>>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please pay attention. I didn't say Xcode is not required. Naturally, you
>>>>> can't compile without a compiler, which is what Xcode provides. 
>>>>
>>>> You only need the command lines tools (about 300MB last I looked, I
>>>> think). You do not need XCode to get the command line tools.
>>
>>> While that's true starting with more recent versions of OS X, with older
>>> versions, the full Xcode suite was required. 
>>
>> Nah, you could always install the command-line tools on their own.

> Nope. You're remembering wrong. I've used Xcode a long time and remember
> well that before 10.7, Apple did not provide a separate installer for
> Xcode command-line tools. Apple's first stand-alone command-line tools
> installer was released in 2012, after 10.7 was released. You could not
> easily install them separately on earlier systems.  

You're right, sort of, but Xcode 1 was like 400MB or so. Even XCode 3
was like 1GB. It wasn't until like 2010 that XCode started getting huge
(3.2.3 was 2.5GB with the iOS SDK).

The OS X installer used to have an option to install the developer tools,
which included things like make and gcc.

<https://wiki.wxwidgets.org/images/thumb/a/a5/Xcode_Install.gif/600px-Xcode_Install.gif>

That's a screenshot from 10.5, but there were similar options in 10.2 I
am pretty sure, and probably in 10.0 or 10.1.


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#34861

Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> Nah, you could always install the command-line tools on their own.

OK, so I've installed Xcode (without thinking twice), but I never use
it. I just need the command line tools in order to bake a few *nix
binaries.

Is it safe to delete the Xcode.app, so that I can reclaim a few gigs of
my valuable drive space, or would this step damage some of the command
line tools?


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