Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol

From	Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net>
Newsgroups	comp.mobile.android, comp.sys.mac.apps, misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Subject	Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol
Date	2023-12-11 14:17 -0500
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On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 13:29:51 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:

>> "A user of a modern smartphone cannot be confident of sending a
>> feature-rich message (having features equivalent to the GSMA's RCS
>> Universal Profile) irrespective of both sender's and recipient's make of
>> phone, both sender and receiver using their phone's _default_ messaging
>> facility."
> 
> Which is a sad argument.  There are other means to move large files if 
> one avenue doesn't work.  E-mail, text a link to a repository (Dropbox), 
> e-mail a link to ... etc.

Nobody said anything about "large files" - as most MMS is group messages & 
individual photos and short videos (which are the larger of those files).

> 
>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services>
>> Note that RCS does not currently include End to End Encryption (e2ee).
>> 
>> At the moment only SMS messages can be confidently sent and reliably
>> received.
>> 
>> MMS has been discontinued in many territories:
>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_Messaging_Service#Decline_and_discontinuation
> 
> 6 countries.   Oooooooohhhh the horror.

Countries that have discontinued MMS include: 
India (BSNL; from 1 November 2015), 
Philippines (SunCel, SmartCommunications, TNT; from 28 September 2018), 
Singapore (Singtel, M1, Starhub; from 16 November 2021),
Kazakhstan (Kcell; from 6 May 2022),
Switzerland (Swisscom, Salt Mobile; from 10 January 2023), 
Germany (Vodafone; from 17 January 2023).

>> It is rumoured that Apple will enable RCS in their default message app in
> 
> No rumour.  Apple have said they will.

Apple will include RCS late in 2024 which is probably a September release.

>> 2024 (not replacing iMessage) which is to be welcomed IMO. No doubt people
>> will continue to use proprietary apps and protocols when they want extra
>> features - eg e2ee.
> 
> It does E2E already in some instances.  But Apple is seeking a 
> non-3rd-party solution to E2E in RCS.
> https://www.techradar.com/phones/iphone/breaking-apple-will-support-rcs-in-2024

Isn't all the Apple e2e nullified when people back up to the icloud because 
apple stores all your encryption keys in the clear when you use the icloud?

> Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.

You should fix the "your" as you copied it but didn't read it first.

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Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 16:05 -0400
  Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 22:21 +0100
    Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 17:04 -0500
      Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 00:24 -0400
        Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-10 13:20 +0100
          Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 14:09 -0400
      Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-10 10:38 +0100
        Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-10 08:26 -0500
          Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-13 13:16 +0100
            Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-13 08:58 -0500
              Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-13 11:11 -0400
              Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2023-12-13 15:26 +0000
                Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-13 14:17 -0500
                Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-14 08:12 +0100
              Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-14 08:08 +0100
                Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-15 20:47 +0100
                Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-20 22:12 -0400
    Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 00:22 -0400
    Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-10 10:38 +0100
      Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-10 13:22 +0100
        Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-10 08:29 -0500
          Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 19:22 -0400
          Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 12:23 +0100
            Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 09:16 -0500
            Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-11 10:18 -0400
        Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-10 17:14 +0000
          Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 19:21 -0400
          Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 12:24 +0100
            Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-11 16:28 +0000
        Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> - 2023-12-11 08:19 +0000
          Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 12:28 +0100
            Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-11 16:29 +0000
          Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-11 10:38 -0400
            Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2023-12-11 16:08 +0000
              Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 19:25 +0100
                Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2023-12-11 19:09 +0000
                Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 23:51 +0100
                Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2023-12-12 08:27 +0000
                Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-12 10:13 +0100
              Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 13:29 -0500
                Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> - 2023-12-11 14:17 -0500
                Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Bradley <bradley@nospam.com> - 2023-12-11 14:35 -0500
                Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 23:55 +0100
                Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 23:57 +0100
  Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-10 10:37 +0100
    Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-10 13:24 +0100
      Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 19:46 -0400
      Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-12 10:17 +0100

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