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  Spurious "unread" items in Pluto David H Wild <dhwild@talktalk.net> - 2012-09-26 19:28 +0100
    Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-09-26 19:50 +0100
      Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-26 20:37 +0100
        Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-27 14:45 +0100
          Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-27 16:19 +0100
            Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-09-27 19:55 +0100
          Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto "Rob Hemmings (news2)" <robnews@rgvk.co.uk> - 2012-09-27 16:29 +0100
            Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-09-27 17:32 +0100
              Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-27 21:12 +0100
                Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto "Rob Hemmings (news2)" <robnews@rgvk.co.uk> - 2012-09-27 21:35 +0100
                  Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-09-27 21:47 +0100
              Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto "Rob Hemmings (news2)" <robnews@rgvk.co.uk> - 2012-09-27 21:33 +0100
            Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-27 17:29 +0100
              Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-09-27 19:58 +0100
        Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-10-02 09:27 +0100
          Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2012-10-02 10:29 +0100
            Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-10-02 12:20 +0100
              Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Chris Gransden <chrisg@care4free.net> - 2012-10-02 13:11 +0100
                Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-10-02 17:21 +0100
                  Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-10-02 21:17 +0100
                    Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-10-02 23:00 +0100
                    Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-10-03 06:05 +0100
                      Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-10-03 09:07 +0100
                        Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-10-03 10:01 +0100
                          Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-10-03 10:20 +0100
                            Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-10-03 12:10 +0100
                              Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-10-04 09:13 +0100
                          Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-10-03 10:26 +0100
                            Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2012-10-03 14:15 +0100
                    Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-10-03 07:49 +0100
    Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-26 20:09 +0100
    Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-09-26 20:38 +0100
    Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-27 00:03 +0100
    Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-27 09:04 +0100
    Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-27 21:53 +0100
      Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto David H Wild <dhwild@talktalk.net> - 2012-09-28 15:25 +0100

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#6776

In article <52d88303e0Spambin@argonet.co.uk>,
   Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52d86d686abbailey@argonet.co.uk>,
>    Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > Not sure of any relevance to my situation, Chris. Have run Pluto since
> > time immemorial with compression turned on and never seen the problem
> > described, with very few other problems.

> I turned compression off "centuries" ago and I have yet to see this
> problem.

Any guesses at what might be going on, Stuart? What might have initiated
this strange behaviour? And, only now!

Brian

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#6779

In article <52d88303e0Spambin@argonet.co.uk>,
   Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52d86d686abbailey@argonet.co.uk>,
>    Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > Not sure of any relevance to my situation, Chris. Have run Pluto since
> > time immemorial with compression turned on and never seen the problem
> > described, with very few other problems.

> I turned compression off "centuries" ago and I have yet to see this
> problem.

That does beg the question, what happens if you then need to run
Repair/compact?

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#6780

In article <52d8b35714bbailey@argonet.co.uk>,
   Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> That does beg the question, what happens if you then need to run
> Repair/compact?

Works fine, why should it not?

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

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#6782

In article <52d8c41125Spambin@argonet.co.uk>,
   Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52d8b35714bbailey@argonet.co.uk>,
>    Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > That does beg the question, what happens if you then need to run
> > Repair/compact?

> Works fine, why should it not?

No reason really, it's always worked for me, but that's not the point I'm
making. 

Look at Mark Avison's Strong Help manual, please. He clearly thought that
there was some lack of clarity or that there was ambiguity re
compacting/compression of articles. It looks ambiguous to me. 

Also, see Steve Pampling's latest.

Brian

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#6783

In article <52d8c9060cbbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey
<bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <52d8c41125Spambin@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart
> <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > In article <52d8b35714bbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian
> >    Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > > That does beg the question, what happens if you then
> > > need to run Repair/compact?

> > Works fine, why should it not?

> No reason really, it's always worked for me, but that's
> not the point I'm making. 

> Look at Mark Avison's Strong Help manual, please. He
> clearly thought that there was some lack of clarity or
> that there was ambiguity re compacting/compression of
> articles. It looks ambiguous to me. 

I try to have nothing to do with Strong apps, so I would
much rather not.

I would agree that far too often terms used by software
writers can mean one thing in one context, but something
quite different in another.

But not here.

*compact = remove blank sectors on a disc, by moving the
data.

Compact in Pluto means exactly the same, remove blank
sections of an articles file.

FWIW, I have never compressed articles in Pluto - what would
be the point these days, I never find myself using more than
about 35% of a hard discs available space - but I always
repair / compact Pluto at the end of the day.

Apart from ensuring that all the indexes are fine and
keeping everything neat and tidy, it is the only way to
empty the bin properly.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#6785

In article <52d8cab3c5see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
   Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

[snip]

> I try to have nothing to do with Strong apps, so I would
> much rather not.

Not extolling the virtues of Strong Help or otherwise. It's what it says
that concerned me.

> I would agree that far too often terms used by software
> writers can mean one thing in one context, but something
> quite different in another.

Too right and that's where the confusion occurs!

> But not here.

> *compact = remove blank sectors on a disc, by moving the
> data.

> Compact in Pluto means exactly the same, remove blank
> sections of an articles file.

> FWIW, I have never compressed articles in Pluto - what would
> be the point these days, I never find myself using more than
> about 35% of a hard discs available space - but I always
> repair / compact Pluto at the end of the day.

> Apart from ensuring that all the indexes are fine and
> keeping everything neat and tidy, it is the only way to
> empty the bin properly.

Thanks for that. I do not recall having seen it explained before,
certainly not by Jonathan.

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#6788

Hi

Don't know whether I've done something incredibly stupid or not, but.

I tried looking for subject Local Browsing, there were only five articles.

However, tried select over comp.sys.acorn.misc and sorting on status and
there were quite a few articles named Local Browsing. Opened
comp.sys.acorn.misc and deleted the five articles. But, on repeating the
status sort exercise and there were still several articles showing.
Decided to move all articles to Junk, which seemed a rather rash thing to
do. Not all articles actually moved so deleted the residue and then I
moved all articles back again from Junk. So far as I can see all 'ghost'
articles have now gone.

Now awaiting possibility of more spurious 'unread' articles with slight
trepidation.

Brian

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#6784

In article <52d8c9060cbbailey@argonet.co.uk>,
   Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> No reason really, it's always worked for me, but that's not the point I'm
> making. 

> Look at Mark Avison's Strong Help manual, please. He clearly thought that
> there was some lack of clarity or that there was ambiguity re
> compacting/compression of articles. It looks ambiguous to me. 

I'm afraid the only manual I have is that provided by Jonathan in the form
of a series of psuedo emails in !Pluto's Misc.docs box

> Also, see Steve Pampling's latest.

Which confirms that the effect seems to be independant of compression
settings and fairly random.

3.03g here.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

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#6787

In article <52d8cb50d0Spambin@argonet.co.uk>,
   Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52d8c9060cbbailey@argonet.co.uk>,
>    Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > No reason really, it's always worked for me, but that's not the point I'm
> > making. 

> > Look at Mark Avison's Strong Help manual, please. He clearly thought that
> > there was some lack of clarity or that there was ambiguity re
> > compacting/compression of articles. It looks ambiguous to me. 

> I'm afraid the only manual I have is that provided by Jonathan in the form
> of a series of psuedo emails in !Pluto's Misc.docs box

It's Martin Avison's Pluto manual & it's available at.......

http://www.avisoft.force9.co.uk/Pluto.htm

Cheers,

-- 
Chris Newman

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#6781

In article <52d88303e0Spambin@argonet.co.uk>,
   Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> I turned compression off "centuries" ago and I have yet to see this
> problem.

Never had it on, but seeing the problem.

-- 

Steve Pampling

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#6683

In article <52d5620b6edhwild@talktalk.net>,
   David H Wild <dhwild@talktalk.net> wrote:
> In the last few days I have been finding that, when I have read all the
> postings in the "Acorn" bo, Pluto tells me that I have some unread items
> in Comp.sys.acorn.misc. Opening up the group doesn't show any unread
> items - so I have selected the group and set it to "read".

Getting exactly the same thing here. I thought that I was going slightly
potty.

Did a repair/compact which cleared the problem only to have it repeated on
a later occasion. Very odd.

> The thing is I have had to do it more than once, but only ever for this
> group. Has anyone an idea about what is happening?

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#6685

In article <52d5620b6edhwild@talktalk.net>, David H Wild
<dhwild@talktalk.net> wrote:
> In the last few days I have been finding that, when I
> have read all the postings in the "Acorn" bo, Pluto tells
> me that I have some unread items in Comp.sys.acorn.misc.
> Opening up the group doesn't show any unread items - so I
> have selected the group and set it to "read".

> The thing is I have had to do it more than once, but only
> ever for this group. Has anyone an idea about what is
> happening?

Not me.

But I've started to ask a few times about this but never
posted as I couldn't work out any real pattern.  (what I
really mean is "Me too")

Currently, when I've read (or deleted) every post in 'News
In' It shows I've apparently got 17 'New' or 'Unread'
articles  in CS.A.Misc.

In fact there are 90 articles in the group and all of them
have been read.

I previously had problems with another group (uk.d-i-y) but
after deleting the whole group and re-subscribing it seemed
to start behaving!

Alan:
I've tried sorting by status.  No change


John

-- 
 John Mulrooney
NOTE Email address IS correct but might not be checked for a while.

Success is a journey, not a destination.

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#6690

David H Wild <dhwild@talktalk.net> wrote:

>In the last few days I have been finding that, when I have read all the
>postings in the "Acorn" bo, Pluto tells me that I have some unread items in
>Comp.sys.acorn.misc. Opening up the group doesn't show any unread items -
>so I have selected the group and set it to "read".
>
>The thing is I have had to do it more than once, but only ever for this
>group. Has anyone an idea about what is happening?

I'm sure I remember this coming up in the past.  It might be something like
posts which are cross-posted to more than one newsgroup which ar einitially
debatched into more than one box, but after one has been read the duplicate
is suppressed or deleted(?) by Pluto.

-- 
Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

Email sent to my from-address will be deleted. Instead, please reply
to newsreplyaaa@wingsandbeaks.org.uk replacing "aaa" by "284".  

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#6697

In article <52d5620b6edhwild@talktalk.net>, David H Wild
<dhwild@talktalk.net> wrote:

> In the last few days I have been finding that, when I
> have read all the postings in the "Acorn" bo, Pluto tells
> me that I have some unread items in Comp.sys.acorn.misc.
> Opening up the group doesn't show any unread items - so I
> have selected the group and set it to "read".

> The thing is I have had to do it more than once, but only
> ever for this group. Has anyone an idea about what is
> happening?

This happened to me a couple of weeks ago.

My News box consistently showed 3 unread items, but none in
the NG listing box, over some half dozen opening and closing
cycles.

Finally the three items appeared, were read, and binned.

I has not happened again since.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#6723

David H Wild <dhwild@talktalk.net> wrote:

>In the last few days I have been finding that, when I have read all the
>postings in the "Acorn" bo, Pluto tells me that I have some unread items in
>Comp.sys.acorn.misc. Opening up the group doesn't show any unread items -
>so I have selected the group and set it to "read".
>
>The thing is I have had to do it more than once, but only ever for this
>group. Has anyone an idea about what is happening?

Is it happening for every new post?

Is it happening for posts from certain people only?

Is it happening for posts fetched from a specific news server?

Is it happening for posts originally posted to a specific server?

-- 
Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

Email sent to my from-address will be deleted. Instead, please reply
to newsreplyaaa@wingsandbeaks.org.uk replacing "aaa" by "284".  

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#6740

In article <mpro.mb10pu0022pd80064@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>, Jeremy
Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote:
> David H Wild <dhwild@talktalk.net> wrote:

> >In the last few days I have been finding that, when I have read all the
> >postings in the "Acorn" bo, Pluto tells me that I have some unread
> >items in Comp.sys.acorn.misc. Opening up the group doesn't show any
> >unread items - so I have selected the group and set it to "read".
> >
> >The thing is I have had to do it more than once, but only ever for this
> >group. Has anyone an idea about what is happening?

> Is it happening for every new post?
It has happened three times in the last week.
> Is it happening for posts from certain people only?
There's no way I could tell. The groups page tells me that there are unread
items, but opening the group doesn't show any.
> Is it happening for posts fetched from a specific news server?

> Is it happening for posts originally posted to a specific server?

-- 
David Wild using RISC OS on broadband
www.davidhwild.me.uk

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