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| Started by | "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
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| First post | 2012-09-03 09:56 +0100 |
| Last post | 2012-09-28 13:28 +0100 |
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Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 09:56 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-03 10:13 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 11:16 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-09-03 12:32 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 13:39 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-03 16:08 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-03 23:16 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 13:13 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 13:37 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 13:50 +0100
Re: Moving ISP cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-09-06 10:06 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2012-09-11 13:14 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-11 20:03 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-03 18:26 +0100
Re: Moving ISP M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-09-03 11:41 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 13:43 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-03 14:08 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Derek.Moody" <derek.moody@casterbridge.net> - 2012-09-03 19:33 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-03 23:22 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Derek.Moody" <derek.moody@casterbridge.net> - 2012-09-03 23:45 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-04 08:00 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 10:42 +0100
Re: Moving ISP charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 11:24 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 12:13 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 13:55 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 16:07 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-09-04 11:23 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 13:53 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-04 20:23 +0100
Re: Moving ISP druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-09-04 21:24 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 23:19 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-05 07:46 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 23:16 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 13:10 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 14:12 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-04 17:53 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-05 13:14 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 14:19 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-05 18:12 +0100
Re: Moving ISP John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-09-05 20:45 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 23:47 +0100
Re: Moving ISP cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-09-06 10:10 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-06 10:23 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-05 17:50 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-11 16:46 +0100
Re: Moving ISP druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-09-04 21:14 +0100
Re: Moving ISP M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-09-04 10:15 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-03 23:21 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-03 23:20 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 22:36 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-11 16:57 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-11 20:39 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 22:05 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2012-09-03 22:39 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-09-03 22:46 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 23:08 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-09-03 23:02 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 10:15 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-05 11:06 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 11:16 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-05 11:47 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 13:06 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 22:15 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-09-05 23:14 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 23:49 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-06 08:02 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 12:11 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-09-09 20:11 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-09 21:12 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-10 10:17 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Paul Oates <oatespaul@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-10 17:39 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-11 07:54 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 13:33 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-09-09 12:25 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-09 12:41 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-09-09 13:12 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> - 2012-09-10 18:50 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-09-10 20:56 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-10 22:05 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-09-10 22:20 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-10 22:23 +0000
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-09-11 07:13 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-11 12:31 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> - 2012-09-11 00:47 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-09-11 07:14 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-09-11 06:47 +0000
Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-11 10:28 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-09-11 16:14 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> - 2012-09-12 18:58 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-12 19:32 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> - 2012-09-13 00:38 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Graham Thurlwell <nospam@jades.org> - 2012-09-10 19:28 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> - 2012-09-12 18:55 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-09-09 17:49 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-05 17:51 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-21 14:44 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-21 15:40 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-21 19:28 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-22 09:43 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-22 10:37 +0100
Re: Moving ISP NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-09-22 10:10 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-22 13:13 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-22 14:09 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-22 14:59 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-22 14:21 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-27 20:00 +0100
Re: Moving ISP JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-09-27 21:01 +0100
Re: Moving ISP NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-09-28 10:27 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-28 11:34 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-28 12:59 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-28 13:02 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-28 13:28 +0100
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| From | Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2012-09-05 11:47 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ba3f67ca52.dougjwebb@doug.j.webb.btinternet.com> |
| In reply to | #6345 |
In message <52ca6478dfdave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
>> .
> I was hoping the home hub, being several years newer, might have a better
> performance? Are you saying it can't be set to what I want? And can
> my existing router work with fibre? (I've not seen how it's done)
Depends on what you want to do.
Things like DHCP pool IP addressing rages can be changed as well as
Wireless channels etc and also port forwarding.
These can be found via
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/hub/c/346,1887
e.g for changing the IP ranges given out from default 192.1.168. xx to
something else
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/9011/~/how-do-i-change-the-dhcp-settings-of-the-bt-home-hub%3F
o alter the LAN settings of the BT Home Hub 3
Go to http://bthomehub.home
Click on Settings.
Log in with your username and password.
Click on Advanced Settings
Click on Continue to advanced settings
Click on Home Network
Click on IP Addresses
Click on the Enabled No option under DHCP Server
Select the range required or Configure manually
Make the required changes to the DHCP settings
Under Hub IP Gateway Address you can amend the IP address/subnet
mask that you want the BT Home Hub to use
Once you have successfully added an IP add
or download the Hub3 manual which gives details details
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/32813/~/bt-home-hub-3
--
See and experience the future using ARM Technology - BeagleBoard -xM,
Cortex A8 and RISC OS 5.19.
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| From | "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-05 13:06 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52ca6e84d2dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6346 |
In article <ba3f67ca52.dougjwebb@doug.j.webb.btinternet.com>,
Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > I was hoping the home hub, being several years newer, might have a better
> > performance? Are you saying it can't be set to what I want? And can
> > my existing router work with fibre? (I've not seen how it's done)
> Depends on what you want to do.
> Things like DHCP pool IP addressing rages can be changed as well as
> Wireless channels etc and also port forwarding.
[snip useful information to save space]
My thoughts were I'd need fixed IP addresses since that's what I was told
to do before - and my RPCs haven't changed (much) since then.
I use ShareFS between them, and LanMan98 to share files between the PCs
and them. Uniprint for printing. I don't use the PCs for email or news, so
will want Pluto/POPstar/NewsHound to continue working. I also have my own
domain for email and will need to continue with that. If I can get into
the BT router to configure it (in much the same way as I can do with the
current one) I expect things will be ok - with the help of all of you
here. I was sort of worried that it simply came with a CD for Windows and
if that didn't do things - tough.
--
*If a parsley farmer is sued, can they garnish his wages?
Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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| From | Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-05 22:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <c4c2a0ca52.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> |
| In reply to | #6349 |
I've been using BT broadband and its Home Hub for about a year now with no problems. The switchover from my previous ISP was painless. Doug Webb's list is excellent. He knows what he is talking about -- he works for BT, if I remember aright. Dave Plowman (News) wrote on 5 Sep: > My thoughts were I'd need fixed IP addresses since that's what I was told > to do before - and my RPCs haven't changed (much) since then. The BT Home Hub, as I found on my maiden voyage with it, uses the range 192.168.1.xx by default and gives itself xx=254, which was a bit unexpected -- different from my previous router. That's the IP address you need to specify as "gateway" in your RiscOS networking dialogue. Doug explained how you can change this default range. I didn't know at the time or I would have done so. (10.0.0.xx seems tidier.) In the event, however, I found that the Hub handed out IP addresses to each machine that were different from the ones I used before. Its web interface gives a nice display of what's connected. It lets you say "ALWAYS use this address" if you want, so I did that and revised my RiscOS Hosts file accordingly. One gotcha I learned the hard way with my first networking experience some years ago: don't use xx=0 or xx=255 because these have special meanings > I use ShareFS between them, and LanMan98 to share files between the PCs > and them. Uniprint for printing. I don't use the PCs for email or news, so > will want Pluto/POPstar/NewsHound to continue working. I also have my own > domain for email and will need to continue with that. If I can get into > the BT router to configure it (in much the same way as I can do with the > current one) I expect things will be ok - with the help of all of you > here. I was sort of worried that it simply came with a CD for Windows and > if that didn't do things - tough. You'll be fine with all that stuff. There's no "CD for Windows" scenario. You can look at the Hub's web display with a RiscOS browser in a rudimentary way but for some features you'll need to browse with your PC. When I first began using BT broadband, they phoned with an offer of a free month's subscription with their "any sort of IT help any time" service (after which it's £10 a month). I made use of this -- they were quite helpful with some fairly obscure questions I asked (which didn't have to be about BT broadband) and used VNC to tweak things in Windows that would have taken me a lot of hunting. But I didn't have enough questions to make it worth paying after the beginning. -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
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| From | Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-05 23:14 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mpro.m9wdrr02419o001iw.news@stevefryatt.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #6361 |
On 5 Sep, Jim Nagel wrote in message
<c4c2a0ca52.jim@nails.abbeypress.net>:
> The BT Home Hub, as I found on my maiden voyage with it, uses the range
> 192.168.1.xx by default and gives itself xx=254, which was a bit
> unexpected -- different from my previous router. That's the IP address
> you need to specify as "gateway" in your RiscOS networking dialogue.
>
> Doug explained how you can change this default range. I didn't know at
> the time or I would have done so. (10.0.0.xx seems tidier.)
> In the event, however, I found that the Hub handed out IP addresses
> to each machine that were different from the ones I used before. Its web
> interface gives a nice display of what's connected. It lets you say
> "ALWAYS use this address" if you want, so I did that and revised my RiscOS
> Hosts file accordingly.
>
> One gotcha I learned the hard way with my first networking experience some
> years ago: don't use xx=0 or xx=255 because these have special meanings
I've plugged this somewhere else recently, but the three articles on
Networking at the bottom of http://www.wrocc.org.uk/howto/ cover this kind
of thing in some detail. These went on to be three of the twelve articles
that formed The WROCC Guide to Networking:
http://www.wrocc.org.uk/newsletter/network.shtml
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
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| From | "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-05 23:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52caa96cc9dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6361 |
In article <c4c2a0ca52.jim@nails.abbeypress.net>,
Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> I've been using BT broadband and its Home Hub for about a year now
> with no problems. The switchover from my previous ISP was painless.
> Doug Webb's list is excellent. He knows what he is talking about --
> he works for BT, if I remember aright.
[snip]
Thanks Jim - most helpful.
--
*It is wrong to ever split an infinitive *
Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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| From | spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2012-09-06 08:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52cad690c6spam.pling@btinternet.com> |
| In reply to | #6361 |
In article <c4c2a0ca52.jim@nails.abbeypress.net>, Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote: > (10.0.0.xx seems tidier.) Not really, the 10. range is intended to be used as /8 (old class A) with rather large numbers of hosts in the subnet. 192.168. is intended for use as a set of 192.168.x,y /24 (old class C) ranges with just 254 host addresses. Some (slightly naff) network equipment ignores the mask setting you give and applies the natural mask - which causes problems. -- Steve Pampling
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| From | Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-05 12:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <bb7d69ca52.chris@o2.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6345 |
In message <52ca6478dfdave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <0c8c63ca52.Brian@bhowlett.plus.net>,
> Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:
[snip]
>> Only gotcha is that if you need tech support, they will probably ask
>> you to connect up the BT Home Hub, so don't flog it on any well-known
>> auction sites...
> I was hoping the home hub, being several years newer, might have a better
> performance? Are you saying it can't be set to what I want? And can
> my existing router work with fibre? (I've not seen how it's done)
IIRC, for Fibre you actually get two boxes, one is as it enters your
property to provide the fibre connection, and then the Home hub for
your internal network, wireless and ethernet. Home hub is also
connected to the Fibre interface box (in many ways its the same sort
of setup as Cable Broadband).
My brother has BT Infinity and that what he tells me happened to him.
You should be able to login to the Home Hub, but probably only from
Windows/Mac/Linux.
--
Chris Hughes
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| From | Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-09-09 20:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <csam66c9a4cc52.Bryn@yo.rk> |
| In reply to | #6347 |
In a mad moment - Chris Hughes mumbled : > In message <52ca6478dfdave@davenoise.co.uk> > "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote: >> In article <0c8c63ca52.Brian@bhowlett.plus.net>, >> Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote: > [snip] >>> Only gotcha is that if you need tech support, they will probably ask >>> you to connect up the BT Home Hub, so don't flog it on any well-known >>> auction sites... >> I was hoping the home hub, being several years newer, might have a better >> performance? Are you saying it can't be set to what I want? And can >> my existing router work with fibre? (I've not seen how it's done) > IIRC, for Fibre you actually get two boxes, one is as it enters your > property to provide the fibre connection, and then the Home hub for > your internal network, wireless and ethernet. Home hub is also > connected to the Fibre interface box (in many ways its the same sort > of setup as Cable Broadband). > My brother has BT Infinity and that what he tells me happened to him. > You should be able to login to the Home Hub, but probably only from > Windows/Mac/Linux. If BT has provided "Fibre to the Cabinet" in your area, then your existing Router will not notice or require any change. The only difference will be the received speed you get. Mine went from 2mbits to 12/13 Mbits. I am with PlusNet and can recomend them. -- |) [ |)ryn [vans mail to - BrynEvans@bryork.freeuk.com
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| From | Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-09 21:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <a666aacc52.Brian@bhowlett.plus.net> |
| In reply to | #6384 |
On 9 Sep, Bryn Evans wrote: > If BT has provided "Fibre to the Cabinet" in your area, then your > existing Router will not notice or require any change. The only > difference will be the received speed you get. Mine went from 2mbits > to 12/13 Mbits. FTTC does require new kit, which will be installed by an Openreach engineer. You're thinking of ADSL2+. ADSL Max does up to 8Mb down. ADSL 2+ does up to 20Mb down. FTTC does up to 40Mb down, or up to 80Mb down on VDSL 2. > I am with PlusNet and can recomend them. Ditto... -- Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Isn't it strange that the same people that laugh at gypsy fortune tellers take economists seriously?
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| From | Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-10 10:17 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52ccf24548alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6385 |
In article <a666aacc52.Brian@bhowlett.plus.net>, Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote: > Reply-To: Brian@brianhowlett.me.uk > On 9 Sep, Bryn Evans wrote: > > If BT has provided "Fibre to the Cabinet" in your area, then your > > existing Router will not notice or require any change. The only > > difference will be the received speed you get. Mine went from 2mbits > > to 12/13 Mbits. > FTTC does require new kit, which will be installed by an Openreach > engineer. You're thinking of ADSL2+. I think you may be talking about something different. In my area (Ilford) the worn out copper cabling from the exchange to the local boxes was causing problems so BT has replaced this by fibre optic cable (ie "fibre to the box") any interfacing between the fibre optic cable and the copper to the houses is done in the box - the only thing that users notice is much faster speeds (11/12 Mbits in my case) no new equipment or contract required. In my area BT are also installing fibre optic to the telegraph pole which I believe will require new equipment but will give a very much faster speed at a higher tarif. Alan -- alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk alan.dawes@riscos.org Using an Acorn RiscPC
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| From | Paul Oates <oatespaul@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2012-09-10 17:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <d0ac1acd52.Paul@btinternet.com> |
| In reply to | #6387 |
In message <52ccf24548alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk>
Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <a666aacc52.Brian@bhowlett.plus.net>,
> Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:
>> Reply-To: Brian@brianhowlett.me.uk
>> On 9 Sep, Bryn Evans wrote:
>>> If BT has provided "Fibre to the Cabinet" in your area, then your
>>> existing Router will not notice or require any change. The only
>>> difference will be the received speed you get. Mine went from 2mbits
>>> to 12/13 Mbits.
>> FTTC does require new kit, which will be installed by an Openreach
>> engineer. You're thinking of ADSL2+.
> I think you may be talking about something different. In my area (Ilford)
> the worn out copper cabling from the exchange to the local boxes was
> causing problems so BT has replaced this by fibre optic cable (ie "fibre
> to the box") any interfacing between the fibre optic cable and the copper
> to the houses is done in the box - the only thing that users notice is
> much faster speeds (11/12 Mbits in my case) no new equipment or contract
> required. In my area BT are also installing fibre optic to the telegraph
> pole which I believe will require new equipment but will give a very much
> faster speed at a higher tarif.
> Alan
If you sign up for BT infinity then you will have two boxes, a modem
and a router (BT's Home Hub). What you end up with is Fibre to the
Cabinet (FTTC) and copper to the premises. An Openreach engineer will
bring and fit the modem because that and the line is supplied by BT
Wholesale; BT Retail will send you the Home Hub. With Infinity 1 you
can get up to 40Mbs downstream, and 10Mbs upstream, with a usage limit
of 40GB per month. With Infinity 2 the monthly limit is removed and
max speeds double. The speeds depend on your distance from the
cabinet.
Fibre to the Premises is currently available only in very limited
areas, and again there will be two boxes, one to terminate the fibre,
the other a router.
One downside of fibre is that if you have an intermittent fault, it
can be difficult to find the cause. Mine is now working at full speed,
but it took a while to get there.
--
Paul Oates
oatespaul@btinternet.com
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| From | spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2012-09-11 07:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52cd68f9c4spam.pling@btinternet.com> |
| In reply to | #6391 |
In article <d0ac1acd52.Paul@btinternet.com>, Paul Oates <oatespaul@btinternet.com> wrote: > One downside of fibre is that if you have an intermittent fault, it > can be difficult to find the cause. Fibre faults are limited to the transceiver at each end and the fibre itself. OTDR can locate physical fibre faults to within a metre on short runs (normal exchange to home length[1]) [1] Yes, some folks live in the boonies and the runs count as medium. -- Steve Pampling
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| From | Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-05 13:33 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Moving ISP (OT) |
| Message-ID | <2af870ca52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6343 |
On 5 Sep 2012 "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> Got my MAC from TalkTalk, so it's going ahead. (They called it a MAC code
> in the email header. ;-))
That's what is called RAS Syndrome: Redundant Acronym Syndrome
Syndrome. :-)
With best wishes,
Peter.
--
Peter \ / zfc Ta \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52
and \/ __ __ \ England.
family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
/ \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk
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| From | Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-09 12:25 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Moving ISP (OT) |
| Message-ID | <52cc7a1791tim@invalid.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #6354 |
In article <2af870ca52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote: > On 5 Sep 2012 "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote: > > Got my MAC from TalkTalk, so it's going ahead. (They called it a MAC > > code in the email header. ;-)) > That's what is called RAS Syndrome: Redundant Acronym Syndrome > Syndrome. :-) Shh. Trying to do some PAT Testing. Then off to the bank to use my 'Personal Identification PIN Number'. -- from Tim Hill who welcomes incoming email to tim at timil dot com. * Share in a better energy supplier: http://tjrh.eu/coopnrg * Share in cheaper ethical telecoms: http://tjrh.eu/phone * Have a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/ ... "Wisely and slow; they stumble who run fast" Rom & Jul, Act ii, Sc.3
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| From | Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-09 12:41 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Moving ISP (OT) |
| Message-ID | <gemini.ma2z4l00949sx02p4.spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6380 |
Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote: > In article <2af870ca52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young > <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote: > > On 5 Sep 2012 "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote: > > > > Got my MAC from TalkTalk, so it's going ahead. (They called it a MAC > > > code in the email header. ;-)) > > > That's what is called RAS Syndrome: Redundant Acronym Syndrome > > Syndrome. :-) > > Shh. Trying to do some PAT Testing. > > Then off to the bank to use my 'Personal Identification PIN Number'. Then back home to your RISC computer. Alan -- RISC OS - you know it makes cents
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| From | Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-09 13:12 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Moving ISP (OT) |
| Message-ID | <52cc7e6538tim@invalid.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #6381 |
In article <gemini.ma2z4l00949sx02p4.spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk>, Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> wrote: > Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote: > > In article <2af870ca52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young > > <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote: > > > On 5 Sep 2012 "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > Got my MAC from TalkTalk, so it's going ahead. (They called it a > > > > MAC code in the email header. ;-)) > > > > > That's what is called RAS Syndrome: Redundant Acronym Syndrome > > > Syndrome. :-) > > > > Shh. Trying to do some PAT Testing. > > > > Then off to the bank to use my 'Personal Identification PIN Number'. > Then back home to your RISC computer. It's an ARM machine. -- from Tim Hill who welcomes incoming email to tim at timil dot com. * Share in a better energy supplier: http://tjrh.eu/coopnrg * Share in cheaper ethical telecoms: http://tjrh.eu/phone * Have a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/ ... "She looked yesternight fairer than ever I saw her look, or any woman else" Troilus & C, Act i, Sc.1
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| From | "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-09-10 18:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Moving ISP (OT) |
| Message-ID | <fIxm7.2485$lk6.889830@rdsqurrl.com> |
| In reply to | #6382 |
Tim Hill wrote: > Alan Wrigley wrote: >> Tim Hill wrote: >>> Peter Young wrote: >>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote: >>>>> Got my MAC from TalkTalk, so it's going ahead. (They called it a >>>>> MAC code in the email header. ;-)) >>>> That's what is called RAS Syndrome: Redundant Acronym Syndrome >>>> Syndrome. :-) >>> Shh. Trying to do some PAT Testing. >>> Then off to the bank to use my 'Personal Identification PIN Number'. >> Then back home to your RISC computer. > It's an ARM machine. There's a *big* list of these on the office wall, from which the less obscure are: ABM missile, ABS system, alternating AC current, ATM machine, CCT television, DAB digital radio, EMP pulse, mega FLOPS per second, GPS system, GUI interface, HIV virus, ISBN number, ISO standard, ITN news, KFC chicken nuggets, LCD display, LPG gas, MIDI interface, OPEC country, RAM memory, RNLI lifeboat, RPG game, SALT talks, SAT test, SCSI interface, SCUBA gear, VAT tax, and VIP people. But actually I prefer the little list added to the bottom, which simply goes: GCSE exam, MOT test, PDF file, and WAP phone. ;) Fliss -- He said: This is ridiculous, she offered me a ride! I thought you're my friend? She said: You're my friend with a small F, my friend with a big F is your wife. He said: If you want to hurt my wife, then screw you! And that's with a big F.
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| From | Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> |
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| Date | 2012-09-10 20:56 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Moving ISP (OT) |
| Message-ID | <20120910205643.05ebf7f3@debian> |
| In reply to | #6389 |
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:50:47 BST "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> wrote: > But actually I prefer the little list added to the bottom, which simply > goes: GCSE exam, MOT test, PDF file, and WAP phone. ;) Warning Pedant! ... but you fell into the trap that catches a lot of people. MOT test Ministry Of Transport test :) So a garage that offers MOT's is actually correct and one with MOTs is not. -- Will J G
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| From | Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-10 22:05 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Moving ISP (OT) |
| Message-ID | <gemini.ma5jws00sp24102iw.spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6393 |
Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> wrote: > On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:50:47 BST > "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> wrote: > > > But actually I prefer the little list added to the bottom, which simply > > goes: GCSE exam, MOT test, PDF file, and WAP phone. ;) > > Warning Pedant! > > ... but you fell into the trap that catches a lot of people. And you fell into an even bigger trap... Alan -- RISC OS - you know it makes cents
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| From | Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-10 22:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Moving ISP (OT) |
| Message-ID | <d66b34cd52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6393 |
On 10 Sep 2012 Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:50:47 BST
> "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> wrote:
>> But actually I prefer the little list added to the bottom, which simply
>> goes: GCSE exam, MOT test, PDF file, and WAP phone. ;)
> Warning Pedant!
> ... but you fell into the trap that catches a lot of people. MOT test
> Ministry Of Transport test :)
> So a garage that offers MOT's is actually correct and one with MOTs is not.
<applause>
Peter.
--
Peter \ / zfc Ta \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52
and \/ __ __ \ England.
family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
/ \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk
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