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| Started by | "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
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| First post | 2012-09-03 09:56 +0100 |
| Last post | 2012-09-28 13:28 +0100 |
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Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 09:56 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-03 10:13 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 11:16 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-09-03 12:32 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 13:39 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-03 16:08 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-03 23:16 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 13:13 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 13:37 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 13:50 +0100
Re: Moving ISP cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-09-06 10:06 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2012-09-11 13:14 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-11 20:03 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-03 18:26 +0100
Re: Moving ISP M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-09-03 11:41 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 13:43 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-03 14:08 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Derek.Moody" <derek.moody@casterbridge.net> - 2012-09-03 19:33 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-03 23:22 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Derek.Moody" <derek.moody@casterbridge.net> - 2012-09-03 23:45 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-04 08:00 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 10:42 +0100
Re: Moving ISP charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 11:24 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 12:13 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 13:55 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 16:07 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-09-04 11:23 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 13:53 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-04 20:23 +0100
Re: Moving ISP druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-09-04 21:24 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 23:19 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-05 07:46 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 23:16 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 13:10 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 14:12 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-04 17:53 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-05 13:14 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 14:19 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-05 18:12 +0100
Re: Moving ISP John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-09-05 20:45 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 23:47 +0100
Re: Moving ISP cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-09-06 10:10 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-06 10:23 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-05 17:50 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-11 16:46 +0100
Re: Moving ISP druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-09-04 21:14 +0100
Re: Moving ISP M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-09-04 10:15 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-03 23:21 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-03 23:20 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 22:36 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-11 16:57 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-11 20:39 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 22:05 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2012-09-03 22:39 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-09-03 22:46 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 23:08 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-09-03 23:02 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 10:15 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-05 11:06 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 11:16 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-05 11:47 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 13:06 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 22:15 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-09-05 23:14 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 23:49 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-06 08:02 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 12:11 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-09-09 20:11 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-09 21:12 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-10 10:17 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Paul Oates <oatespaul@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-10 17:39 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-11 07:54 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 13:33 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-09-09 12:25 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-09 12:41 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-09-09 13:12 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> - 2012-09-10 18:50 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-09-10 20:56 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-10 22:05 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-09-10 22:20 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-10 22:23 +0000
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-09-11 07:13 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-11 12:31 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> - 2012-09-11 00:47 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-09-11 07:14 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-09-11 06:47 +0000
Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-11 10:28 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-09-11 16:14 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> - 2012-09-12 18:58 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-12 19:32 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> - 2012-09-13 00:38 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Graham Thurlwell <nospam@jades.org> - 2012-09-10 19:28 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> - 2012-09-12 18:55 +0100
Re: Moving ISP (OT) Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-09-09 17:49 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-05 17:51 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-21 14:44 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-21 15:40 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-21 19:28 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-22 09:43 +0100
Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-22 10:37 +0100
Re: Moving ISP NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-09-22 10:10 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-22 13:13 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-22 14:09 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-22 14:59 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-22 14:21 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-27 20:00 +0100
Re: Moving ISP JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-09-27 21:01 +0100
Re: Moving ISP NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-09-28 10:27 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-28 11:34 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-28 12:59 +0100
Re: Moving ISP Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-28 13:02 +0100
Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-28 13:28 +0100
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| From | spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2012-09-04 08:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52c9cea68espam.pling@btinternet.com> |
| In reply to | #6314 |
In article <ant032235868BxcK@strongarm.half-baked-idea.co.uk>, Derek.Moody <derek.moody@casterbridge.net> wrote: > If you are out of the minimum period, when you leave BT, That presupposes that the possibility of using something other than BT or a BT reseller is likely to arise. The village is cabled by BT only and the LLU is limited to the opal telecom setup (Talk Talk) nothing available gives better speed (I've checked with other people in the village and they all suffer bad or even abysmal bandwidth. Now that the BT period (to keep the phone number I've always had, but Talk Talk wouldn't release to anyone but back to BT) has ended I can look at Plusnet or similar (BT by a different name) -- Steve Pampling
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| From | Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-04 10:42 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ant040909b49pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6316 |
In article <52c9cea68espam.pling@btinternet.com>, spampling <URL:mailto:spam.pling@btinternet.com> wrote: > In article <ant032235868BxcK@strongarm.half-baked-idea.co.uk>, > Derek.Moody <derek.moody@casterbridge.net> wrote: > > If you are out of the minimum period, when you leave BT, > > That presupposes that the possibility of using something other than BT or a > BT reseller is likely to arise. The village is cabled by BT only and the > LLU is limited to the opal telecom setup (Talk Talk) nothing available > gives better speed (I've checked with other people in the village and they > all suffer bad or even abysmal bandwidth. > > Now that the BT period (to keep the phone number I've always had, but Talk > Talk wouldn't release to anyone but back to BT) has ended I can look at > Plusnet or similar (BT by a different name) I would expect that for 99% of people 99% of the time their speed is governed by the physical network they are connected to. If you are on a cable network then you have no choice of ISP All other connections will be via the BT network, so you speeed will be goverened by BT (Unless your ISP have really screwed things up.) Any ISP claiming they can increase our speed by swapping to them is doing wishfull thinking (Unless you have a capped rate with your current ISP) When changing ISPs there is one other thing to remember if you are using old software like the Ant Suite which does not do Authenticated SMTP. Whilst Authenticated SMTP is NOT required by Talk Talk in its many guises, BT I belive and most other ISP do now require it. Anyone know of any other ISP that does not require Authenticated SMTP? Chris Evans -- CJE Micro's / 4D 'RISC OS Specialists' Telephone: 01903 523222 Fax: 01903 523679 chris@cjemicros.co.uk http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/ 78 Brighton Road, Worthing, West Sussex, BN11 2EN The most beautiful thing anyone can wear, is a smile!
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| From | charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-04 11:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52c9e15d62charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6318 |
In article <ant040909b49pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>, Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote: > In article <52c9cea68espam.pling@btinternet.com>, spampling > <URL:mailto:spam.pling@btinternet.com> wrote: > > In article <ant032235868BxcK@strongarm.half-baked-idea.co.uk>, > > Derek.Moody <derek.moody@casterbridge.net> wrote: > > > If you are out of the minimum period, when you leave BT, > > > > That presupposes that the possibility of using something other than BT > > or a BT reseller is likely to arise. The village is cabled by BT only > > and the LLU is limited to the opal telecom setup (Talk Talk) nothing > > available gives better speed (I've checked with other people in the > > village and they all suffer bad or even abysmal bandwidth. > > > > Now that the BT period (to keep the phone number I've always had, but > > Talk Talk wouldn't release to anyone but back to BT) has ended I can > > look at Plusnet or similar (BT by a different name) > I would expect that for 99% of people 99% of the time their speed is > governed by the physical network they are connected to. If you are on a > cable network then you have no choice of ISP All other connections will > be via the BT network, so you speeed will be goverened by BT (Unless your > ISP have really screwed things up.) Any ISP claiming they can increase > our speed by swapping to them is doing wishfull thinking (Unless you have > a capped rate with your current ISP) there could be a possible speed increase during busy times if they use a different contention ratio - but the maximum speed is fixed by physics. -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18
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| From | Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-04 12:13 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52c9e5d897Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6318 |
In article <ant040909b49pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>, Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote: > When changing ISPs there is one other thing to remember if you are using > old software like the Ant Suite which does not do Authenticated SMTP. > Whilst Authenticated SMTP is NOT required by Talk Talk in its many > guises, BT I belive and most other ISP do now require it. > Anyone know of any other ISP that does not require Authenticated SMTP? No problems connecting with Orpheus. When I had a question recently regarding speeds, and sent them an email, Richard phoned me back and we spent about 3/4 hour discussing internet speeds and options and problems I was having with my LAN. He then phoned me back again with suggestions regarding my LAN, after speaking to his technical personnel. I am sure they will try their best to retain connectivity for RISC OS machines and I intend shortly to be moving to fibre with them -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
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| From | Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-04 13:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <8122efc952.chris@o2.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6320 |
In message <52c9e5d897Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <ant040909b49pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>,
> Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
>> When changing ISPs there is one other thing to remember if you are using
>> old software like the Ant Suite which does not do Authenticated SMTP.
>> Whilst Authenticated SMTP is NOT required by Talk Talk in its many
>> guises, BT I belive and most other ISP do now require it.
>> Anyone know of any other ISP that does not require Authenticated SMTP?
> No problems connecting with Orpheus.
> When I had a question recently regarding speeds, and sent them an email,
> Richard phoned me back and we spent about 3/4 hour discussing internet
> speeds and options and problems I was having with my LAN.
> He then phoned me back again with suggestions regarding my LAN, after
> speaking to his technical personnel.
> I am sure they will try their best to retain connectivity for RISC OS
> machines and I intend shortly to be moving to fibre with them
Orpheus are a customer of BT Wholesale and the same with the Fibre
service.
--
Chris Hughes
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| From | Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-04 16:07 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52c9fb4717Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6323 |
In article <8122efc952.chris@o2.co.uk>, Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > Orpheus are a customer of BT Wholesale and the same with the Fibre > service. Yes but it's the ISP that determines the required connection protocols not the bit of "string" used in between. -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
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| From | Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2012-09-04 11:23 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52c9e14929chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> |
| In reply to | #6318 |
In article <ant040909b49pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>, Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote: > Anyone know of any other ISP that does not require Authenticated > SMTP? Plusnet doesn't at the moment. -- Chris Johnson
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| From | Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-04 13:53 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <71feeec952.chris@o2.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6318 |
In message <ant040909b49pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52c9cea68espam.pling@btinternet.com>, spampling
> <URL:mailto:spam.pling@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> In article <ant032235868BxcK@strongarm.half-baked-idea.co.uk>,
>> Derek.Moody <derek.moody@casterbridge.net> wrote:
>>> If you are out of the minimum period, when you leave BT,
>>
>> That presupposes that the possibility of using something other than BT or a
>> BT reseller is likely to arise. The village is cabled by BT only and the
>> LLU is limited to the opal telecom setup (Talk Talk) nothing available
>> gives better speed (I've checked with other people in the village and they
>> all suffer bad or even abysmal bandwidth.
>>
>> Now that the BT period (to keep the phone number I've always had, but Talk
>> Talk wouldn't release to anyone but back to BT) has ended I can look at
>> Plusnet or similar (BT by a different name)
> I would expect that for 99% of people 99% of the time their speed is
> governed by the physical network they are connected to.
> If you are on a cable network then you have no choice of ISP
> All other connections will be via the BT network, so you speeed will be
> goverened by BT (Unless your ISP have really screwed things up.)
> Any ISP claiming they can increase our speed by swapping to them is doing
> wishfull thinking (Unless you have a capped rate with your current ISP)
Sorry, but this is inaccurate information.
There are 5 types of ISP's
Those using BT wholesale (probably the majority)
There is Cable provide by Virgin
There is Satellite (of most use in more difficult to access areas)
There are Mobile Broadband services
There are also LLU unbundled ISP - although they do use the Bt wires,
they have there own kit in the Exchane and since they generally use
ADSL2+ can offer faster speeds - BT Wholesale don't control the speed
of these connections since the only bit of there kit involved is the
wires. Companies like O2, BE, etc..
I have two ADSL lines here, one is a BT provide service 2Meg service
1.6meg really and they say they can't improve it.
But the O2 LLU connection I have over BT Wholesale wires is currently
running at 5Mb
> When changing ISPs there is one other thing to remember if you are using old
> software like the Ant Suite which does not do Authenticated SMTP.
> Whilst Authenticated SMTP is NOT required by Talk Talk in its many guises,
> BT I belive and most other ISP do now require it.
> Anyone know of any other ISP that does not require Authenticated SMTP?
Rumour has it, all UK ISP's will be introducing it
--
Chris Hughes
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| From | spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2012-09-04 20:23 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52ca12b8c9spam.pling@btinternet.com> |
| In reply to | #6322 |
In article <71feeec952.chris@o2.co.uk>, Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > BT Wholesale don't control the speed > of these connections since the only bit of there kit involved is the > wires. <snip> The back haul is normally BT > I have two ADSL lines here, one is a BT provide service 2Meg service > 1.6meg really and they say they can't improve it. Tends to be distance dependent with a component for age of install and hence cable quality plus an allowance for the age of the exchange kit (all exchanges are being updated so you may find a service interruption and then a speed increase. We had a business line at work that had that scenario (they blamed the interruption on our kit > But the O2 LLU connection I have over BT Wholesale wires is currently > running at 5Mb Which eliminates the problem of distance as they will be the same length as the wires for the BT service so the other line set is probably older cable. > > Anyone know of any other ISP that does not require Authenticated SMTP? > Rumour has it, all UK ISP's will be introducing it Quite likely, it reduces the possibility of open relays -- Steve Pampling
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| From | druck <news@druck.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-04 21:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <k25o2c$6c6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #6332 |
On 04/09/2012 20:23, spampling wrote: > In article <71feeec952.chris@o2.co.uk>, > Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: >> I have two ADSL lines here, one is a BT provide service 2Meg service >> 1.6meg really and they say they can't improve it. [Snip] > Which eliminates the problem of distance as they will be the same length as > the wires for the BT service so the other line set is probably older cable. Not necessarily, at a former employer, they had 2 ADSL lines with different speeds, and found one of them came from a different exchange to the other. The business site was served by two exchanges, and it was a matter of luck to which one you got hooked up to. Cheers ---David
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| From | Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-04 23:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <b2c722ca52.chris@o2.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6335 |
In message <k25o2c$6c6$1@dont-email.me>
druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
> On 04/09/2012 20:23, spampling wrote:
>> In article <71feeec952.chris@o2.co.uk>,
>> Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
>>> I have two ADSL lines here, one is a BT provide service 2Meg service
>>> 1.6meg really and they say they can't improve it.
> [Snip]
>> Which eliminates the problem of distance as they will be the same length as
>> the wires for the BT service so the other line set is probably older cable.
> Not necessarily, at a former employer, they had 2 ADSL lines with
> different speeds, and found one of them came from a different exchange
> to the other. The business site was served by two exchanges, and it was
> a matter of luck to which one you got hooked up to.
Interesting you should mention that. Because we are actually covered
by 4 main exchanges.
--
Chris Hughes
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| From | spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2012-09-05 07:46 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52ca512ee5spam.pling@btinternet.com> |
| In reply to | #6335 |
In article <k25o2c$6c6$1@dont-email.me>, druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote: > The business site was served by two exchanges, and it was > a matter of luck to which one you got hooked up to. That would be nice - we actually want two lines with the capability to expand to 100Mb feeding into our buildings with a matching setup at our satellite site. In both cases it can be provided at a cost a little short of the national debt. -- Steve Pampling
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| From | Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-04 23:16 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <4b9322ca52.chris@o2.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6332 |
In message <52ca12b8c9spam.pling@btinternet.com>
spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <71feeec952.chris@o2.co.uk>,
> Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
>> BT Wholesale don't control the speed
>> of these connections since the only bit of there kit involved is the
>> wires.
> <snip>
> The back haul is normally BT
>> I have two ADSL lines here, one is a BT provide service 2Meg service
>> 1.6meg really and they say they can't improve it.
> Tends to be distance dependent with a component for age of install and
> hence cable quality plus an allowance for the age of the exchange kit (all
> exchanges are being updated so you may find a service interruption and then
> a speed increase. We had a business line at work that had that scenario
> (they blamed the interruption on our kit
Its a newer line then the one used for the O2 LLU service. It was
specially installed.
>> But the O2 LLU connection I have over BT Wholesale wires is currently
>> running at 5Mb
> Which eliminates the problem of distance as they will be the same length as
> the wires for the BT service so the other line set is probably older cable.
I was initially told I would get about 4Mb by O2 and indeed I go that
on first connection and then it slowly increased to 5Mb, its now back
at around 4.5 Mb now
>>> Anyone know of any other ISP that does not require Authenticated SMTP?
>> Rumour has it, all UK ISP's will be introducing it
> Quite likely, it reduces the possibility of open relays
Agreed.
--
Chris Hughes
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| From | Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-05 13:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ant051257313pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6322 |
In article <71feeec952.chris@o2.co.uk>, Chris Hughes <URL:mailto:news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > In message <ant040909b49pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk> > Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote: > > > In article <52c9cea68espam.pling@btinternet.com>, spampling > > <URL:mailto:spam.pling@btinternet.com> wrote: > >> In article <ant032235868BxcK@strongarm.half-baked-idea.co.uk>, > >> Derek.Moody <derek.moody@casterbridge.net> wrote: > >>> If you are out of the minimum period, when you leave BT, > >> > >> That presupposes that the possibility of using something other than BT or a > >> BT reseller is likely to arise. The village is cabled by BT only and the > >> LLU is limited to the opal telecom setup (Talk Talk) nothing available > >> gives better speed (I've checked with other people in the village and they > >> all suffer bad or even abysmal bandwidth. > >> > >> Now that the BT period (to keep the phone number I've always had, but Talk > >> Talk wouldn't release to anyone but back to BT) has ended I can look at > >> Plusnet or similar (BT by a different name) > > > I would expect that for 99% of people 99% of the time their speed is > > governed by the physical network they are connected to. > > If you are on a cable network then you have no choice of ISP > > All other connections will be via the BT network, so you speeed will be > > goverened by BT (Unless your ISP have really screwed things up.) > > Any ISP claiming they can increase our speed by swapping to them is doing > > wishfull thinking (Unless you have a capped rate with your current ISP) > > Sorry, but this is inaccurate information. Simplistic yes! But your type 4 & 5 both use BT cableing to get from your house to the exchange! > There are 5 types of ISP's > > Those using BT wholesale (probably the majority) > > There is Cable provide by Virgin > > There is Satellite (of most use in more difficult to access areas) > > There are Mobile Broadband services > > There are also LLU unbundled ISP - although they do use the Bt wires, > they have there own kit in the Exchane and since they generally use > ADSL2+ can offer faster speeds - BT Wholesale don't control the speed > of these connections since the only bit of there kit involved is the > wires. Companies like O2, BE, etc.. > > I have two ADSL lines here, one is a BT provide service 2Meg service > 1.6meg really and they say they can't improve it. > > But the O2 LLU connection I have over BT Wholesale wires is currently > running at 5Mb Unusual! As the limiting factor when that slow surely must be the cableing from your house to the exchange which BT Openreach? is responsible for. I suspect that connection to the LLU line may use more recent cableing to the area/road connection box from the exchange. So it sounds like a bit of a lottery, if you order a new line they you would probably be wired into the more recent cabling but could be connected up with the old! But I suspect just changing ISPs will almost certainly use the same wire to connect to you exchange! Given the above it does make it very difficult for ISP to quote the speed you will probably get! > > When changing ISPs there is one other thing to remember if you are using old > > software like the Ant Suite which does not do Authenticated SMTP. > > Whilst Authenticated SMTP is NOT required by Talk Talk in its many guises, > > BT I belive and most other ISP do now require it. > > > Anyone know of any other ISP that does not require Authenticated SMTP? > > Rumour has it, all UK ISP's will be introducing it > > Chris Evans -- CJE Micro's / 4D 'RISC OS Specialists' Telephone: 01903 523222 Fax: 01903 523679 chris@cjemicros.co.uk http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/ 78 Brighton Road, Worthing, West Sussex, BN11 2EN The most beautiful thing anyone can wear, is a smile!
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| From | Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-05 14:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <3c9174ca52.chris@o2.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6353 |
In message <ant051257313pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <71feeec952.chris@o2.co.uk>, Chris Hughes
> <URL:mailto:news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <ant040909b49pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
>> Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <52c9cea68espam.pling@btinternet.com>, spampling
>>> <URL:mailto:spam.pling@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <ant032235868BxcK@strongarm.half-baked-idea.co.uk>,
>>>> Derek.Moody <derek.moody@casterbridge.net> wrote:
>>>>> If you are out of the minimum period, when you leave BT,
>>>>
>>>> That presupposes that the possibility of using something other than BT
>>>> or a
>>>> BT reseller is likely to arise. The village is cabled by BT only and the
>>>> LLU is limited to the opal telecom setup (Talk Talk) nothing available
>>>> gives better speed (I've checked with other people in the village and they
>>>> all suffer bad or even abysmal bandwidth.
>>>>
>>>> Now that the BT period (to keep the phone number I've always had, but Talk
>>>> Talk wouldn't release to anyone but back to BT) has ended I can look at
>>>> Plusnet or similar (BT by a different name)
>>
>>> I would expect that for 99% of people 99% of the time their speed is
>>> governed by the physical network they are connected to.
>>> If you are on a cable network then you have no choice of ISP
>>> All other connections will be via the BT network, so you speeed will be
>>> goverened by BT (Unless your ISP have really screwed things up.)
>>> Any ISP claiming they can increase our speed by swapping to them is doing
>>> wishfull thinking (Unless you have a capped rate with your current ISP)
>>
>> Sorry, but this is inaccurate information.
> Simplistic yes!
> But your type 4 & 5 both use BT cableing to get from your house to the
> exchange!
Mobile Broadband does not use BT wires at all !!
While its true the LLU one will use the existing BT line from house to
exchange, the rest of it on the LLU network, not BT.
>> There are 5 types of ISP's
>>
>> Those using BT wholesale (probably the majority)
>>
>> There is Cable provide by Virgin
>>
>> There is Satellite (of most use in more difficult to access areas)
>>
>> There are Mobile Broadband services
>>
>> There are also LLU unbundled ISP - although they do use the Bt wires,
>> they have there own kit in the Exchane and since they generally use
>> ADSL2+ can offer faster speeds - BT Wholesale don't control the speed
>> of these connections since the only bit of there kit involved is the
>> wires. Companies like O2, BE, etc..
>>
>> I have two ADSL lines here, one is a BT provide service 2Meg service
>> 1.6meg really and they say they can't improve it.
>>
>> But the O2 LLU connection I have over BT Wholesale wires is currently
>> running at 5Mb
> Unusual! As the limiting factor when that slow surely must be the cableing
> from your house to the exchange which BT Openreach? is responsible for.
> I suspect that connection to the LLU line may use more recent cableing to
> the area/road connection box from the exchange.
Since the slow BT connection *is* a new line!
And its not unusual at all, its more like ADSL2 as against ADSL2+
> So it sounds like a bit of a lottery, if you order a new line they you would
> probably be wired into the more recent cabling but could be connected up
> with the old!
That is entirely possible, you can also be sent via other exchanges
that have spare circuits but your phone one is on your local exchange.
At one time at work, I had access to some interesting BT systems (well
BT OPenreach/Wholesale) and we could see that some of our numbers were
in fact being routed through other exchanges due to capacity issues).
Also if you move property in the same exchange area and keep your
phone number they simply re-route the number via changing settings via
a computer terminal. That saves BT money....
> But I suspect just changing ISPs will almost certainly use the same wire to
> connect to you exchange!
Yep, I was with Demon before O2 on the same number and Demon was
usually around 2Mb, soon as I changed the difference was amazing.
--
Chris Hughes
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| From | spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2012-09-04 17:53 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52ca04ee7aspam.pling@btinternet.com> |
| In reply to | #6318 |
In article <ant040909b49pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>, Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote: > When changing ISPs there is one other thing to remember if you are using > old software like the Ant Suite which does not do Authenticated SMTP. Question (long time since I looked at things like AntSuite ) is the mail transfer in that done by Popstar? If so, I have an answer. -- Steve Pampling
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| From | Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-05 13:14 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mpro.m9vlzf002m46d02m4@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid> |
| In reply to | #6329 |
spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> wrote: >Question (long time since I looked at things like AntSuite ) is the mail >transfer in that done by Popstar? No; ANTsuite runs an SMTP server, so email is pushed to your system from the ISP/mail-provider's servers. It also means that mails between local users are 'delivered' without actually leaving your system. It was because I used to use ANTsuite for mail transport that I originally made 'my' version of AntiSpam so that it fetched mail via POP3 but created the fetched files in the format that the ANTsuite would have done, so they could be injected into the Suite's SMTP delivery queue. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. Email sent to my from-address will be deleted. Instead, please reply to newsreplyaaa@wingsandbeaks.org.uk replacing "aaa" by "284".
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| From | "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-05 14:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52ca75293edave@davenoise.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6350 |
Just to clarify, do they install a fibre link to my house? Think Virgin
does - I have their cabling in this street. Or is it just so far and use
the existing cable?
--
*Be more or less specific *
Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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| From | Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-05 18:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <438b8aca52.Brian@bhowlett.plus.net> |
| In reply to | #6356 |
On 5 Sep, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: > Just to clarify, do they install a fibre link to my house? Think > Virgin does - I have their cabling in this street. Or is it just so > far and use the existing cable? BT Infinity is largely FTTC (Fibre to the Cabinet) although they are also trialing FTTP (Fibre to the Premises). In the first case they run fibre from the exchange to the PCP/cabinet, where your existing phone cable runs along its original route and is connected at the cabinet to the fibre link. FTTP is a full installation of fibre to your property. -- Brian Howlett - email to From: address deleted unseen ---------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not telling you who I work for - in any case, there's no way anything posted (or mailed!) by me can be attributed to them....
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| From | John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-05 20:45 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mpro.m9w6w2000aocr04ss.lists@thesandfords.me.uk> |
| In reply to | #6356 |
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote: > Just to clarify, do they install a fibre link to my house? Think Virgin > does - I have their cabling in this street. Or is it just so far and use > the existing cable? > Virgin use fibre to the cabinet, the broadband and tv is a coaxial cable from cabinet to the house not fibre. John -- John Sandford Home
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