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Android email and Pluto

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First post	2012-08-14 10:35 +0100
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  Android email and Pluto "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-08-14 10:35 +0100
    Re: Android email and Pluto Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-08-14 11:39 +0100
      Re: Android email and Pluto Martin Bazley <martin.bazley@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-08-14 15:06 +0100
        Re: Android email and Pluto Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2012-08-15 07:33 +0100
          Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-15 08:01 +0100
            Re: Android email and Pluto Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2012-08-15 09:59 +0100
              Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-15 18:43 +0100
                Re: Android email and Pluto M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-08-15 20:02 +0100
                  Re: Android email and Pluto John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-08-15 20:14 +0100
                    Re: Android email and Pluto M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-08-15 21:09 +0100
                      Re: Android email and Pluto John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-08-16 17:14 +0100
                        Re: Android email and Pluto Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-17 13:37 +0100
                          Re: Android email and Pluto Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-08-17 14:00 +0100
                            Re: Android email and Pluto M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-08-17 15:21 +0100
                              Re: Android email and Pluto Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-08-17 15:37 +0100
                                Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-18 13:28 +0100
                          Re: Android email and Pluto John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-08-17 17:33 +0100
                            Re: Android email and Pluto M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-08-17 21:12 +0100
                              Re: Android email and Pluto M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-08-18 12:02 +0100
                      Re: Android email and Pluto Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-19 20:58 +0100
                        Re: Android email and Pluto M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-08-20 10:22 +0100
                          Re: Android email and Pluto Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-20 22:16 +0100
                  Re: Android email and Pluto Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-08-15 20:49 +0100
                  Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-15 22:47 +0100
                    Re: Android email and Pluto Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-08-15 23:01 +0100
                      Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2012-08-15 23:44 +0100
                  Re: Android email and Pluto Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-15 23:58 +0100
                  Re: Android email and Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-16 07:29 +0100
                  Re: Android email and Pluto Richard Travers <richtnews@uwclub.net> - 2012-08-16 10:35 +0100
                    Re: Android email and Pluto Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-08-16 11:49 +0100
                Re: Android email and Pluto Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2012-08-16 09:21 +0100
            Re: Android email and Pluto Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-15 10:53 +0100
              Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-15 18:36 +0100
                Re: Android email and Pluto Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-16 22:54 +0100
                  Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-17 07:56 +0100
                    Re: Android email and Pluto Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-17 11:14 +0100
                      Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-17 13:18 +0100
                    Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-08-17 14:03 +0100
                      Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-18 19:04 +0100
                        Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-19 09:39 +0100
                          Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-08-19 15:57 +0100
                            Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-19 21:53 +0100
                              Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-08-19 22:35 +0100
                                Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-19 23:29 +0100
                                Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Chris Shepheard <chris.shepheard@chrispics.co.uk> - 2012-08-20 21:01 +0100
                            Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-25 15:41 +0100
                        Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-08-19 10:11 +0100
                          Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> - 2012-08-19 14:40 +0100
                          Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-25 15:57 +0100
                        Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-08-19 10:23 +0100
                          Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-25 16:00 +0100
                    Re: Android email and Pluto Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-18 17:13 +0100
                      Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-19 09:20 +0100
                        Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-19 11:57 +0100
                        Re: Android email and Pluto Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-08-19 13:55 +0100
                          Re: Android email and Pluto Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-19 21:04 +0100
                            Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-20 09:06 +0100
                              Re: Android email and Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-21 20:39 +0100
                              Re: Android email and Pluto Dave Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2012-08-21 22:48 +0100
                                Re: Android email and Pluto Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 06:36 +0100
                                  Re: Android email and Pluto Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-08-22 22:43 +0100
                                    Re: Android email and Pluto Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-08-23 06:22 +0100
                                      Re: Android email and Pluto Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-08-23 07:57 +0100
                                        Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-23 08:25 +0100
                                        Re: Android email and Pluto Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-08-23 10:13 +0100
                                          Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2012-08-23 14:11 +0100
                                        Re: Android email and Pluto Dave Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2012-08-23 20:55 +0100
                                          Re: Android email and Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-24 07:52 +0100
                                            Re: Android email and Pluto John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-08-24 09:24 +0100
                                            Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-25 10:24 +0100
                                              Re: Android email and Pluto Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-08-25 11:12 +0100
                                                Re: Android email and Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-25 19:54 +0100
                                                  Android email and Pluto Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-08-26 07:57 +0100
                                                    Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-26 10:32 +0100
                                                      Re: Android email and Pluto Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-08-26 15:48 +0100
                                                      Re: Android email and Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-27 08:07 +0100
                                          Re: Android email and Pluto workstuff@mail.com - 2012-09-19 22:28 +0200
                                      Re: Android email and Pluto Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-08-23 10:49 +0100
                                        Re: Android email and Pluto Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-25 14:37 +0100
                                      Re: Android email and Pluto Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-08-23 10:59 +0100
                                      Re: Android email and Pluto Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-23 22:09 +0100
                                Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 08:57 +0100
                                  Re: Android email and Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-22 17:28 +0100
                                    Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 20:27 +0100
                                      Re: Android email and Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-23 08:30 +0100
                                        Re: Android email and Pluto Richard Travers <richtnews@uwclub.net> - 2012-08-23 11:15 +0100
                                          Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2012-08-23 12:38 +0100
                                            Re: Android email and Pluto NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-08-23 15:35 +0100
                                        Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-23 15:20 +0100
                              Re: Android email and Pluto "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 10:05 +0100
                                Re: Android email and Pluto Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 10:09 +0000
                                  Re: Android email and Pluto Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 11:54 +0100
                                    Re: Android email and Pluto charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 12:09 +0100
                                      Re: Android email and Pluto Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 12:23 +0100
                                        Re: Android email and Pluto Grahame Parish <maillist.parish@millers-way.net> - 2012-08-22 12:51 +0100
                                          Re: Android email and Pluto Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-25 15:33 +0100
                                            Re: Android email and Pluto John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-08-25 16:39 +0100
                                              Re: Android email and Pluto Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-27 10:32 +0100
                                                Re: Android email and Pluto John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-08-27 11:54 +0100
                                                  Re: Android email and Pluto Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-27 12:07 +0100
                                                    Re: Android email and Pluto John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-08-27 13:40 +0100
                                            Re: Android email and Pluto Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-02 12:49 +0100
                                        Re: Android email and Pluto Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-25 14:44 +0100
                                      Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 13:52 +0100
                                        Re: Android email and Pluto charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 17:51 +0100
                                        Re: Android email and Pluto John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-08-22 19:40 +0100
                                          Re: Android email and Pluto "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 20:47 +0200
                                        Re: Android email and Pluto John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-08-26 22:44 +0100
                                          Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-27 00:01 +0100
                                            Re: Android email and Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-27 08:14 +0100
                                              Re: Android email and Pluto charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-08-27 10:14 +0100
                                                Re: Android email and Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-27 13:12 +0100
                                              Re: Android email and Pluto John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-08-27 10:22 +0100
                                                Re: Android email and Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-27 13:13 +0100
                                                  Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-27 16:11 +0100
                                                Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-27 16:06 +0100
                                                  Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-02 16:21 +0100
                                    Re: Android email and Pluto "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 12:45 +0100
                                      Re: Android email and Pluto Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-08-22 22:32 +0100
                                        Re: Android email and Pluto "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 23:05 +0100
                                          Re: Android email and Pluto Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-08-23 10:42 +0100
                                        Re: Android email and Pluto Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-08-23 10:15 +0100
                                          Re: Android email and Pluto Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-08-23 12:20 +0100
                Re: Android email and Pluto Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-19 20:08 +0100
          Re: Android email and Pluto Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-08-15 09:32 +0100

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#6207

From	Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
Date	2012-08-22 22:43 +0100
Message-ID	<52c36da632see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
In reply to	#6191

In article <52c3151b42dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes
<dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <f33aeac252.DaveMeUK@my.inbox.com>, Dave
>    Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> > In message <52c21b36d2Spambin@argonet.co.uk> Stuart
> >           <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > > I have only one wish for future versions of Windows -
> > > that they'd concentrate on making it faster, easier
> > > to find stuff so you can set it up the way you want
> > > it and reduce the bloat.

> > No chance.  No chance.

> > Each successive version gets worse.  The same thing
> > happens with their apps - one example being the
> > generally loathed ribbon.

> > Dave

> [I must be careful how I word this otherwise I'll be
> accused of a RANT] So tongue in cheek...  :^) But
> seriously...

> Oh no! not the dreaded ribbon... ;-)

> After upgrading our Word... Eventually after some months
> of frustration, that thing forced Fay and I to take a
> step backwards to our previous version. (Of Word) where
> we have remained.

May be I am thinking of someone else, but I thought I
recalled you saying you did not use WP software, though
maybe that was just under RISC OS.

Why use Word at all? More importantly, why BUY Word, when
there are perfectly decent open source programs around that
read incoming Word files.

And for simple documents, Wordpad seems perfectly OK.

For myself, I like EasiWriter.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#6209

From	Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk>
Date	2012-08-23 06:22 +0100
Message-ID	<52c397ac89dave@triffid.co.uk>
In reply to	#6207

In article <52c36da632see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
   Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> In article <52c3151b42dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes
> <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

[Snippy]

> > Oh no! not the dreaded ribbon... ;-)

> > After upgrading our Word... Eventually after some months
> > of frustration, that thing forced Fay and I to take a
> > step backwards to our previous version. (Of Word) where
> > we have remained.

> May be I am thinking of someone else, but I thought I
> recalled you saying you did not use WP software, though
> maybe that was just under RISC OS.

It was I Russell, so your memory is holding good.

Generally speaking I don't use Word, but like you, I run a small business
and some of my customers require communication to be in Word documents,
and as you also know, if you are particularly in a service situation,
keeping customers happy so they come back time and time again is
important...
That's the only time I use Word seriously.

Additionally, Fay does her own thing and many of the requirements of her
communications also require Word documents.

> Why use Word at all? More importantly, why BUY Word, when
> there are perfectly decent open source programs around that
> read incoming Word files.

If only life was as simple as you've written.

For Fays stuff she needs Word, and she started using it back at the turn
of the century.
IIRC. It was upgraded(?) in 2002/2003 and that's the version she continues
to use for general purpose stuff.

However, a few years ago we upgraded(?) to Word 2007 where we encountered
the dreaded ribbon.
At that time DocX was the default Word file doing the rounds, and while
the Freeby alternatives you have in mind could read DocX files, unless it
was a simple Document, they re-formatted it/them badly.

As a lot of the docs she received to Edit were very complex, they had to
be edited in a suitable version of Word.
Customers don't like their carefully crafted documents, after Editing
returned in chaos order.

We have a number of freeby apps that'll read and even output files as Word
documents, like Open Office, etc, etc, but as good as they might be
getting now, with her complex documents, they nearly always have a problem
with something.

The ultimate bottom line of course is... If She wants Word, rather than
some other imitation app, that's her choice for whatever reason.

> And for simple documents, Wordpad seems perfectly OK.

Including the ribbon toobars it now has, and I assume it still doesn't
have a 'spull chucker'?

We have AbiWord installed for that sort of thing, but...
Again, generally speaking, we don't often seem to do "simple" documents.

If I'm going to write a shopping list I use Zap on RO.

> For myself, I like EasiWriter.

I didn't know there was a WinPC version of those apps?

As has been noted before, I use OvPro for both RO and Windows.

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#6210

From	Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk>
Date	2012-08-23 07:57 +0100
Message-ID	<mpro.m974nd000sa0e012s@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>
In reply to	#6209

Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> However, a few years ago we upgraded(?) to Word 2007 where we encountered
> the dreaded ribbon.

What's actually the problem with the ribbon?  I've not seen it but I thought
it was basically a context sensitive set of toolbar buttons?  I can see that
that would possibly be confusing to people who've learned a static layout of
longer menus of options and therefore always knew where to find things, but
bearing in mind people here tend to say that RO's context sensitive options
are one of its strengths, why would it be a disadvantage in MS apps?

-- 
Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

Email sent to my from-address will be deleted. Instead, please reply
to newsreplyaaa@wingsandbeaks.org.uk replacing "aaa" by "284".

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#6211

From	Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk>
Date	2012-08-23 08:25 +0100
Message-ID	<f7f3a2c352.chris@o2.co.uk>
In reply to	#6210

In message <mpro.m974nd000sa0e012s@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>
          Jeremy Nicoll - news posts 
<jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote:

> Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

>> However, a few years ago we upgraded(?) to Word 2007 where we encountered
>> the dreaded ribbon.

> What's actually the problem with the ribbon?  I've not seen it but I thought
> it was basically a context sensitive set of toolbar buttons?  I can see that
> that would possibly be confusing to people who've learned a static layout of
> longer menus of options and therefore always knew where to find things, but
> bearing in mind people here tend to say that RO's context sensitive options
> are one of its strengths, why would it be a disadvantage in MS apps?

Must admit I wondered the same question, it just makes Office and some 
other applicatiosn now have a standard style aka Style Guide like RISC 
OS has a standard Style Guide!  :-)

-- 
Chris Hughes

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#6213

From	Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
Date	2012-08-23 10:13 +0100
Message-ID	<mpro.m97axm00yoxf401o6.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
In reply to	#6210

On 23 Aug, Jeremy Nicoll - news posts wrote in message
    <mpro.m974nd000sa0e012s@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>:

> Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > However, a few years ago we upgraded(?) to Word 2007 where we
> > encountered the dreaded ribbon.
> 
> What's actually the problem with the ribbon? 

Nothing: it's /different/, but if you take a few minutes to familiarise
yourself it's a lot quicker to get to things than via the old interface.

I was "upgraded" to Office 2010 a few months back and, like my colleagues,
initially hated it.  I wouldn't want to go back now.

> I've not seen it but I thought it was basically a context sensitive set of
> toolbar buttons?

Correct.  Once you've found your way around, it's all logical and the most
frequently used stuff is always close to hand.

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

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#6224

From	Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com>
Date	2012-08-23 14:11 +0100
Message-ID	<52c3c2a289cvjazz@waitrose.com>
In reply to	#6213

In article <mpro.m97axm00yoxf401o6.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
   Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 23 Aug, Jeremy Nicoll - news posts wrote in message
>     <mpro.m974nd000sa0e012s@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>:

> > Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > > However, a few years ago we upgraded(?) to Word 2007 where we
> > > encountered the dreaded ribbon.
> > 
> > What's actually the problem with the ribbon? 

> Nothing: it's /different/, but if you take a few minutes to familiarise
> yourself it's a lot quicker to get to things than via the old interface.

> I was "upgraded" to Office 2010 a few months back and, like my colleagues,
> initially hated it.  I wouldn't want to go back now.

> > I've not seen it but I thought it was basically a context sensitive set of
> > toolbar buttons?

> Correct.  Once you've found your way around, it's all logical and the most
> frequently used stuff is always close to hand.

For what it's worth, you can change some aspects.....

In Office 2010 you can now customise the Ribbon rather than putting up with
the way that Microsoft wants it.

Click on the File button, Options and then on Customize Ribbon in the
left-hand column. Click on New Group button at the bottom right and then
Rename. Enter a name and click on OK.

You can now drag and drop icons from the left-hand column into the new custom
group.

One useful group in the ‘Choose commands from' list is commands not in the
Ribbon.

I found it helpful to move the new group to the top of the Home tab.
Left-Click on it once and then click on the up arrow to the right repeatedly
until it is at the top of the tab. Click on OK to save the changes and your
new group will appear in the Ribbon.

This came from ComputerActive, a great fortnightly magazine. Quite cheap too.
Does mainly Windows but has Mac, Linux, tablet & smartphone stuff.

Hope this might help,

-- 
Chris Newman

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#6229

From	Dave Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk>
Date	2012-08-23 20:55 +0100
Message-ID	<5597e7c352.DaveMeUK@my.inbox.com>
In reply to	#6210

In message <mpro.m974nd000sa0e012s@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>
          Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk>
wrote:

> What's actually the problem with the ribbon?

1) It takes up valuable screen space - of which there is never enough
- and therefore allows you to see less of your document.

2) I find myself constantly switching backwards and forwards between
the ribbon's "tabs" to do related parts of tasks.

Dave

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#6231

From	spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com>
Date	2012-08-24 07:52 +0100
Message-ID	<52c423b4e4spam.pling@btinternet.com>
In reply to	#6229

In article <5597e7c352.DaveMeUK@my.inbox.com>,
   Dave Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> In message <mpro.m974nd000sa0e012s@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>
>           Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk>
> wrote:

> > What's actually the problem with the ribbon?

> 1) It takes up valuable screen space - of which there is never enough
> - and therefore allows you to see less of your document.

> 2) I find myself constantly switching backwards and forwards between
> the ribbon's "tabs" to do related parts of tasks.

There are add-ons that you can download that give you back the familiar
menu system and you can turn off the ribbon.

> Dave

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Steve Pampling

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#6233

From	John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk>
Date	2012-08-24 09:24 +0100
Message-ID	<mpro.m993cl0005wtm03gk.lists@thesandfords.me.uk>
In reply to	#6231

spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> wrote:

> In article <5597e7c352.DaveMeUK@my.inbox.com>,
>    Dave Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> > In message <mpro.m974nd000sa0e012s@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>
> >           Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
<jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk>
> > wrote:
> 
> > > What's actually the problem with the ribbon?
> 
> > 1) It takes up valuable screen space - of which there is never enough -
> > and therefore allows you to see less of your document.
> 
> > 2) I find myself constantly switching backwards and forwards between the
> > ribbon's "tabs" to do related parts of tasks.
> 
> There are add-ons that you can download that give you back the familiar
> menu system and you can turn off the ribbon.
> 
> > Dave
> 
You can also put your most used actions on the quick launch bar place it
under the ribbon and hide the ribbon leaving only the tabs showing.

John

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home

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#6239

From	Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk>
Date	2012-08-25 10:24 +0100
Message-ID	<2a86b5c452.chris@o2.co.uk>
In reply to	#6231

In message <52c423b4e4spam.pling@btinternet.com>
          spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> wrote:

> In article <5597e7c352.DaveMeUK@my.inbox.com>,
>    Dave Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
>> In message <mpro.m974nd000sa0e012s@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>
>>           Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk>
>> wrote:

>>> What's actually the problem with the ribbon?

>> 1) It takes up valuable screen space - of which there is never enough
>> - and therefore allows you to see less of your document.

You can minimise the ribbon or switch it off

>> 2) I find myself constantly switching backwards and forwards between
>> the ribbon's "tabs" to do related parts of tasks.

> There are add-ons that you can download that give you back the familiar
> menu system and you can turn off the ribbon.

You can customise the ribbon as well.


-- 
Chris Hughes

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#6240

From	Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk>
Date	2012-08-25 11:12 +0100
Message-ID	<52c4b9e5fadave@triffid.co.uk>
In reply to	#6239

In article <2a86b5c452.chris@o2.co.uk>,
   Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

[Snippy]

> You can customise the ribbon as well.

This is just for Jeremy N but the rest may enjoy if you so wish.

<Rant>
But you can't customize the sodding thing to go away and have a usual
MenuBar back.

<End of Rant> Sorry Jeremy, it was a bit feeble, but I'm long out of
practice.

It would be nice if we/she could have the usual menubar back as the new
thing does not make working easier, or faster, or more efficient, infact
for Us the opposite is true.

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#6249

From	spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com>
Date	2012-08-25 19:54 +0100
Message-ID	<52c4e9aea6spam.pling@btinternet.com>
In reply to	#6240

In article <52c4b9e5fadave@triffid.co.uk>,
   Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> But you can't customize the sodding thing to go away and have a usual
> MenuBar back.

Downloadable add-on for normal menu, and turn off.

-- 

Steve Pampling

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#6250

From	Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk>
Date	2012-08-26 07:57 +0100
Message-ID	<52c52bdfb4dave@triffid.co.uk>
In reply to	#6249

In article <52c4e9aea6spam.pling@btinternet.com>,
   spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <52c4b9e5fadave@triffid.co.uk>,
>    Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > But you can't customize the sodding thing to go away and have a usual
> > MenuBar back.

> Downloadable add-on for normal menu, and turn off.

Ooer! Steve, That's a bit cryptic.

I already have an addon that adds a "Menu" item to the ribbon, which when
clicked brings forth a Menu bar, but the old ribbon is still there even
when "Minimize the ribbon" is ticked.
Sure it semi goes away, but it's always there, lurking like some pervert
flasher, just waiting to jump out and expose itself. ;-)

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#6251

From	Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk>
Date	2012-08-26 10:32 +0100
Message-ID	<b31a3ac552.chris@o2.co.uk>
In reply to	#6250

In message <52c52bdfb4dave@triffid.co.uk>
          Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <52c4e9aea6spam.pling@btinternet.com>,
>    spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> In article <52c4b9e5fadave@triffid.co.uk>,
>>    Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
>>> But you can't customize the sodding thing to go away and have a usual
>>> MenuBar back.

>> Downloadable add-on for normal menu, and turn off.

> Ooer! Steve, That's a bit cryptic.

> I already have an addon that adds a "Menu" item to the ribbon, which when
> clicked brings forth a Menu bar, but the old ribbon is still there even
> when "Minimize the ribbon" is ticked.
> Sure it semi goes away, but it's always there, lurking like some pervert
> flasher, just waiting to jump out and expose itself. ;-)

Although none of this is RISC OS related. ;-)

You might not like to know it appears that Open Office and Libre 
Office are getting a "ribbon" as well.

I simply googled for "How to turn off Office Ribbon" and there are 
plenty of entries.





-- 
Chris Hughes

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#6252

From	Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk>
Date	2012-08-26 15:48 +0100
Message-ID	<52c556f968dave@triffid.co.uk>
In reply to	#6251

In article <b31a3ac552.chris@o2.co.uk>,
   Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
[Snippy]
> You might not like to know it appears that Open Office and Libre 
> Office are getting a "ribbon" as well.

> I simply googled for "How to turn off Office Ribbon" and there are 
> plenty of entries.

Indeed there are, and I was doing that ages ago, how do you think I found
the Addon?

There are a couple of flies in the ointment though...

1) She's using Office 2007 and you can't completely turn off the ribbon,
it's still partially there.

2) It's only, So I understand, because of the negative noise, that the
ribbon can be really configured away in office 2010.

I'll believe that when I see it, and I won't, because I don't intend to
spend any more on the Microslop ribbon apps.

These days I go out of my way to avoid the office apps from anybody, so I
don't really care one way or the other, unfortunately Fay does and I'm the
mug who maintains all the computers and similar in the house.

And FWIW "Snagit" which I do use a lot has had a ribbon for a couple of
versions.

So to bring this back to RISC OS, as you seemed concerned...
Lets just hope Mr Pilling doesn't have a brain fart and put a ribbon
toolbar in either versions of OvPro.

Though I wouldn't put is past the fellow who does the RO Word Processors
to stick a ribbon bar in. ;-)  (Assuming it doesn't already have one).

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#6256

From	spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com>
Date	2012-08-27 08:07 +0100
Message-ID	<52c5b0a259spam.pling@btinternet.com>
In reply to	#6251

In article <b31a3ac552.chris@o2.co.uk>,
   Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> You might not like to know it appears that Open Office and Libre 
> Office are getting a "ribbon" as well.

I will put money on it being easy to turn off

-- 

Steve Pampling

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#6615

From	workstuff@mail.com
Date	2012-09-19 22:28 +0200
Message-ID	<7531d2d152.news@mistymornings.net>
In reply to	#6229

In message <5597e7c352.DaveMeUK@my.inbox.com>
          Dave Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

> In message <mpro.m974nd000sa0e012s@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>
>           Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk>
> wrote:
> 
> > What's actually the problem with the ribbon?
> 
> 1) It takes up valuable screen space - of which there is never enough
> - and therefore allows you to see less of your document.
> 
In Sharepoint the ribbon changes, icons, and text labels appear and
disappear depending on whether the window is maximised or not. In order
to get all the text labels on all the icons and all the icons to
display, I have to maximise the window on a 23" widescreen monitor.

Not much fun on a laptop screen.

Cheers
Stan

-- 
An Iyonix and a Beagleboard xM in Buskerud.

http://mistymornings.net

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#6216

From	Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
Date	2012-08-23 10:49 +0100
Message-ID	<52c3b01f41see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
In reply to	#6209

In article <52c397ac89dave@triffid.co.uk>,
   Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> It was I Russell, so your memory is holding good.

> Generally speaking I don't use Word, but like you, I run
> a small business and some of my customers require
> communication to be in Word documents, and as you also
> know, if you are particularly in a service situation,
> keeping customers happy so they come back time and time
> again is important...

I see.

If I e-mail people documents, they are *always* PDFs. No
doubt some customers are savvy enough to be able to edit
these, and most no doubt realise that there is probably
little point anyway, but still.

In my fairly limited experience, all travel firms now e-mail
customers documents as PDFs, and those of my suppliers that
used to send me Word docs of one sort or another are all now
sending PDFs too.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#6242

From	Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk>
Date	2012-08-25 14:37 +0100
Message-ID	<52c4ccae8atim@invalid.org.uk>
In reply to	#6216

In article <52c3b01f41see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>, Russell Hafter
News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

[Snip]

> In my fairly limited experience, all travel firms now e-mail customers
> documents as PDFs, and those of my suppliers that used to send me Word
> docs of one sort or another are all now sending PDFs too.

It's a great shame. I used to take great delight on poking about in local
authority word documents and copying confidential information about
someone else back to them.

-- 
from Tim Hill who welcomes incoming email to tim at timil dot com.
* Share in a better energy supplier: http://tjrh.eu/coopnrg
* Share in cheaper ethical telecoms: http://tjrh.eu/phone
* Have a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/

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#6217

From	Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
Date	2012-08-23 10:59 +0100
Message-ID	<52c3b0fc2fsee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
In reply to	#6209

In article <52c397ac89dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes
<dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> > And for simple documents, Wordpad seems perfectly OK.

> Including the ribbon toobars it now has, and I assume it
> still doesn't have a 'spull chucker'?

I am not aware of having seen this 'ribbon' anyhere,
certainly not in Wordpad on Win7 Starter (I think that is
what it is called) on my Netbook, which is the only place I
would use a Windows WP. I agree its UI is not as obvious as
it is in XP - but when I was using it seriously a couple of
weeks ago (to update a document with major alterations while
away from home) I started with an RTF version of the documnt
exported by EasiWriter. Loosing the page formatting was not
a problem as I knew I would have had to re do it anyway even
if I had been able to do the alterations in EW.

> We have AbiWord installed for that sort of thing, but...
> Again, generally speaking, we don't often seem to do
> "simple" documents.

Pity.

> If I'm going to write a shopping list I use Zap on RO.

Do not have Zap, and we do not do shopping lists

> > For myself, I like EasiWriter.

> I didn't know there was a WinPC version of those apps?

Sadly no, but then I do all my WP stuff (if possible) on an
RPC anyway.

> As has been noted before, I use OvPro for both RO and
> Windows.

Yes, but I have never found any use for a real DTP
application.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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