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  MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-30 03:12 +0200
    Re: MoreKeys Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-30 07:23 +0100
      Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-30 13:10 +0200
      Re: MoreKeys Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> - 2012-03-30 12:41 +0100
        Re: MoreKeys "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-30 15:02 +0200
          Re: MoreKeys Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> - 2012-03-31 12:35 +0100
        Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-30 16:27 +0200
    Re: MoreKeys Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-30 08:22 +0100
      Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-30 13:13 +0200
        Re: MoreKeys Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-30 20:50 +0100
    Re: MoreKeys Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-03-30 14:54 +0100
      Re: MoreKeys Bryn Evans <BrynEvans@bryork.freeuk.com> - 2012-03-30 15:15 +0100
        Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-30 16:34 +0200
    Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-31 03:33 +0200
      Re: MoreKeys M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-31 10:18 +0100
        Re: MoreKeys Geoffrey Baxendale <thebears@sarno.freeserve.co.uk> - 2012-04-02 23:14 +0100
    Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-03 19:37 +0200
      Re: MoreKeys Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2012-04-03 23:30 +0100
        Re: MoreKeys Martin Bazley <martin.bazley@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-04-03 23:48 +0100
          Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 06:01 +0200
            Re: MoreKeys Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-04 09:47 +0100
              Re: MoreKeys Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 15:33 +0100
              Re: MoreKeys Martin Bazley <martin.bazley@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 17:14 +0100
                Re: MoreKeys "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 18:08 +0200
          Re: MoreKeys Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 11:35 +0100
            Re: MoreKeys Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-04-04 17:08 +0200
        Re: MoreKeys Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-04 09:41 +0100
          Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 14:22 +0200
          Re: MoreKeys John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 13:26 +0100
            Re: MoreKeys Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 14:14 +0100
              Re: MoreKeys John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 09:51 +0100
        Re: MoreKeys Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-04-04 10:13 +0100
          Re: MoreKeys Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-04-04 17:13 +0100
    Re: MoreKeys "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2012-04-05 14:46 +0100
      Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 18:45 +0200
        Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-11 05:19 +0200
        Re: MoreKeys "Richard Torrens (News)" <News+15444@Torrens.org.uk> - 2012-04-14 19:57 +0100
          Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-16 16:27 +0200
          Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-16 16:32 +0200
            Re: MoreKeys "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2012-04-16 18:21 +0100
              Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-18 05:20 +0200
                Re: MoreKeys "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2012-04-18 13:59 +0100
                  Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-19 17:02 +0200
            Re: MoreKeys Duncan Moore <duncan.moore@gmx.com> - 2012-04-17 03:50 -0700
              Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-18 05:22 +0200
    Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-18 19:29 +0200
      Re: MoreKeys Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-18 21:46 +0100
        Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-19 05:59 +0200
      Re: MoreKeys Martin Bazley <martin.bazley@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-04-18 23:55 +0100
        Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-19 17:03 +0200
          Re: MoreKeys "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-19 17:11 +0200
            Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-19 18:22 +0200
      Wordwrap (was Re: MoreKeys) Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> - 2012-05-07 00:20 +0100
    Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-06-20 17:11 +0200

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#4755

In article <almarsoft.1374964640834025075@news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> This is also not helped by the clueless (Americans, IIRC)
> considering that '#' was a pound symbol;

My brother in California used to have a voicemail system
that asked the caller to press the 'pound' key at certain
points in the dialogue. Took me a long time to work out that
it meant the hash key, which is what that symbol was always
called when I lived in the USA in the mid 1970s.

> all that fiddling because flippin' dot matrix jobbies
> used to seem to think # and # were interchangable. You
> don't wanna know how often I've seen in printed
> literature stuff like " BGET#f%,a% "...

My original formal education in programming at the then
Dundee College of Education was in COMAL, where integer
variables are indicated by a hash symbol at the end of the
variable name - eg. amount#, marks# and so on.

Bit the DM printers we used to get listings were, not
unreasonably, set up for use in the UK, so the program
listings were, to the beginner, all wrong, with amoun£,
marks£ etc

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#4765

In article <527b0d99fesee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
   Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> My brother in California used to have a voicemail system
> that asked the caller to press the 'pound' key at certain
> points in the dialogue. Took me a long time to work out that
> it meant the hash key, which is what that symbol was always
> called when I lived in the USA in the mid 1970s.

Was that an US abbreviation for pound weight where we would use lb?

Alan

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#4767

The following bytes were arranged on 4 Apr 2012 by Russell Hafter News :

> In article <almarsoft.1374964640834025075@news.orange.fr>,
>    Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > used to seem to think # and # were interchangable. You

Erm, how did that happen to Rick's quote?

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#4768

In article <607a367b52.martin@blueyonder.co.uk>,
   Martin Bazley <martin.bazley@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> > > used to seem to think # and # were interchangable. You

> Erm, how did that happen to Rick's quote?

I guess it's that interchangeability at work!  And my Pluto spellchecker
says that 'e' should be in there to soften the 'g', tho' it doesn't like
being called a spellchecker! Beeeep!

John

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#4759

On 03 Apr, in article <adc2d67a52.martin@blueyonder.co.uk>,
   Martin Bazley <martin.bazley@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> The following bytes were arranged on 3 Apr 2012 by Martin :

> > It is on the Iyo keyboard top left, but I can never remember how to
> > get it to work!

> I don't know about you, but my Iyonix keyboard works by pushing down a
> number of the raised rectangular shapes marked with symbols which cover
> its surface, and approximately 0.1 seconds later, lifting your finger
> off them again.

Ha! You are quite right for the ` sign. 
I withdraw my request.

But on that same key is a split vertical line how do you get that? 

Oh dear. Silly me. ¦¦¦¦¦ It appears with the Alt sign. But as it is xA6
it may not appear here!


Martin

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without notice if (when) any spam is received. 

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#4766

In message <527b17724dNews03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>
          Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

> On 03 Apr, in article <adc2d67a52.martin@blueyonder.co.uk>,
>    Martin Bazley <martin.bazley@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> The following bytes were arranged on 3 Apr 2012 by Martin :

>>> It is on the Iyo keyboard top left, but I can never remember how to
>>> get it to work!

>> I don't know about you, but my Iyonix keyboard works by pushing down a
>> number of the raised rectangular shapes marked with symbols which cover
>> its surface, and approximately 0.1 seconds later, lifting your finger
>> off them again.

> Ha! You are quite right for the ` sign.
> I withdraw my request.

> But on that same key is a split vertical line how do you get that?

> Oh dear. Silly me. ¦¦¦¦¦ It appears with the Alt sign. But as it is xA6
> it may not appear here!

Of course it appears. Your message specifies an encoding of iso-8859-1 
and ¦ is an ordinary ISO 8859-1 (Latin1) character, so it appears 
correctly everywhere in standards compliant e-mail clients, just as 
the Pound sign (£) does.

In contrast to a claim made earlier in this thread, there is no 
general problem with characters > 127 in e-mails. There is only a 
problem with characters in the range 128-159 because these are not 
printable characters in ISO-8859. Acorn Latin1 has some useful 
characters in that range (e.g., the sexed quotes and the Euro sign), 
but these codepoints cannot be used in ISO-8859-encoded e-mails. 
Still, most e-mail clients allow you to use them, but there is no way 
to predict how they will be displayed at the other end.

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#4754

In article <527ad51513News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
   Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

> Could/should the other funny reverse quote be added to
> the list for Q? I am talking about x60  decimal 96 `
> (dunno if that will come out!)

TBH, I have no idea what any of the characters on that key
(` ¬ ¦ ) are actually for.

And why does the keyboard show | when what you get is ¦, and
vice versa?

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#4760

On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 09:41:18 +0100, Russell Hafter News 
<see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

> TBH, I have no idea what any of the characters on that key
> (` ¬ ¦ ) are actually for.

It's the "WTF?" key. The French AZERTY layout uses this key for ' ² 
'. Yes, an *entire* key is wasted on something most people will ever 
use.

As for what the characters are actually for... Pass. It's a broken 
bar (or not), a not sign, and an acute accent. None of which I can 
recall ever needing.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4761

In article <527b0d0054see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
   Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
wrote:
> In article <527ad51513News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>, Martin
>    <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

> > Could/should the other funny reverse quote be added to
> > the list for Q? I am talking about x60  decimal 96 `
> > (dunno if that will come out!)

> TBH, I have no idea what any of the characters on that
> key (` ¬ ¦ ) are actually for.

` is a grave accent, not a reverse quote; ¬ is the logical
negation symbol and ¦ is formally described as a vertical
broken bar. This last is just a simple visual description
rather than a functional description like the other two.
I've no idea what its intended use is.

John

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#4763

In article <527b2199d2newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk>,
   John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> ` is a grave accent, not a reverse quote; ¬ is the logical
> negation symbol and ¦ is formally described as a vertical
> broken bar. This last is just a simple visual description
> rather than a functional description like the other two.
> I've no idea what its intended use is.

They're all intended for use in ASCI art!

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Only plain text for emails
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#4791

In article <527b260cccSpambin@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart
<Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <527b2199d2newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk>, John
>    <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> > ` is a grave accent, not a reverse quote; ¬ is the
> > logical negation symbol and ¦ is formally described as
> > a vertical broken bar. This last is just a simple
> > visual description rather than a functional description
> > like the other two. I've no idea what its intended use
> > is.

> They're all intended for use in ASCI art!

All that effort to achieve such a trivial result? I suspect
(but don't know) that they all had a use before they were
used in ASCII art.

John

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#4756

In article <527ad51513News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
   Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> It is on the Iyo keyboard top left, but I can never remember how to
> get it to work!

On my Genius keyboard Iyonix, the ` is the 'normal' lower case. The ¬
is 'upper case', and ¦ is using the ALT key.

-- 
Chris Johnson

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#4769

In a mad moment - Chris Johnson  mumbled :

> In article <527ad51513News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
>    Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
>> It is on the Iyo keyboard top left, but I can never remember how to
>> get it to work!

> On my Genius keyboard Iyonix, the ` is the 'normal' lower case. The ¬
> is 'upper case', and ¦ is using the ALT key.

I have always viewed the ¬ symbol as being useful as a visual SPACE,
which is a bit of a waste !

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#4821

In article <4f7507b7$0$21487$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> It is called MoreKeys.
>
> I've not gotten around to a web page, but you'll find pictures and the 
> zip file at:
>    http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/morekeys/

Hi,

This is a handy little utility. I have a couple of observations for 0.04.
First is that the key sequence ctrl-alt-tab to quit MoreKeys clashes with
MoreDesk which is a shame. I assume that's a debug feature and will be
removed in a 1.00 release (because you can quit from the Task Manager window
if required).

Also, it didn't appear to restore whatever vector (EventV?) it was sat on
when it did quit, meaning I had to reload MoreDesk to get the keyboard
shortcut to work again properly. I'm not quite sure whos fault that is
though...

Thanks,

Steve

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#4833

On Thu, 05 Apr 2012 14:46:16 +0100, "Ste (news)" 
<steve@revi11.plus.com> wrote:

> This is a handy little utility.

Thank you.


> First is that the key sequence ctrl-alt-tab to quit MoreKeys clashes
> with MoreDesk which is a shame.

Ah, Ctrl-Alt-Tab like Windows?


> I assume that's a debug feature and will be removed in a 1.00 
release
 
Yes, it is because for testing/modifying I would load and quit it 
regularly - mostly, actually, used a *lot* for developing the icon 
style and seeing if it "looked right". ;-) I plan to remove it in a 
1.xx release, unless anybody wants it in which case I will push it 
off to another keypress?


For now, for you, I've put together an updated module, at:
   
http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/morekeys/MoreKeys-v0-02-ignores-tab,f
fa 
[rename this as "MoreKeys" within !MoreKeys under RISC OS ;-) ]


> Also, it didn't appear to restore whatever vector (EventV?) it was 
sat on
> when it did quit, meaning I had to reload MoreDesk to get the 
keyboard
> shortcut to work again properly. I'm not quite sure whos fault that 
is
> though...

Not mine AFAIK. Got the PRM on my lap and OS_Claim does not return a 
"previous handler" address (it wouldn't, it's a chain of claims 
managed by the OS) and OS_Byte 13/14 is a sort of binary toggle (the 
OS actually counts claims, so it's not quite a simple on/off). In 
short, there appears to be nothing to remember to restore...

Is MoreDesk free? If so, can you chuck me a copy of the version 
you're using and I'll play around with it? Once MoreKeys has been 
quit, it ought to have worked as when before it had been loaded.

Though, the new module passes on Tab presses so both MoreKeys and 
MoreDesk should work side by side.


Thanks for the feedback.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4877

On Thu, 05 Apr 2012 18:45:57 +0200, Rick Murray 
<heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> For now, for you, I've put together an updated module, at:
> 
http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/morekeys/MoreKeys-v0-02-ignores-tab,f
fa 
> [rename this as "MoreKeys" within !MoreKeys under RISC OS ;-) ]

Has anybody tried this with an Alt-Tab window swapper (or the likes 
of MoreDesk, etc)? Does it work okay?


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4920

Is there yet a good way of switching on/off MoreKeys? C-A-T is a bit
unwieldy, especially as it has other use!

Maybe as simple as a 
* Morekeys on
then it could be done from an obey file with a double-click.

I would find this useful, having allocated several Ctrl-Alt presses via
KeyStoke.

BTW: RMKill Morekeys has the same effect as Alt-Break should have. Is that
deliberate?

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#4932

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 19:57:10 +0100, "Richard Torrens (News)" 
<News+15444@Torrens.org.uk> wrote:

> Is there yet a good way of switching on/off MoreKeys? C-A-T is a bit
> unwieldy, especially as it has other use!

No, there isn't. Oh, and C-A-T is now filtered out so can be used 
alongside MoreKeys.


> * Morekeys on then it could be done from an obey file with a
> double-click.

I will look in to this.


> BTW: RMKill Morekeys has the same effect as Alt-Break should have.
> Is that deliberate?

How do you mean? If you kill the module the front end dies? That is 
logical, for the front-end uses a pollword so it knows when it should 
be invoked.
I do, however, think it might be a good idea for the front end to 
remove the module at exit. I'll implement this for the next version.


For now, there is an update:
  http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/morekeys/morekeys_0-05.zip


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4933

Hi,

Update available:
  http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/morekeys/morekeys_0-05.zip

Changes:

* No longer intercepts Ctrl-Alt-Tab.

* Fixed problem where loading MoreKeys in Latin1 then switching to 
UTF8 (and back) failed.

* Increased available buffer slots to 64 from the previous 40 (as I 
need >40 for katakana/hiragana).

* Some internal preparations for UTF-8-direct mode.

* Reduced WimpSlot.

* Internal stuff - code tidy up, improved comments, etc.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4935

In article <almarsoft.4109001389256600790@news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Update available:
>   http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/morekeys/morekeys_0-05.zip

Hi Rick,

The !Help file says it's version 0.04, the Versions file includes info for
0.05 and the module itself says it's 0.02. Just thought you might like to
know. I used to hate updating all the millions of version numbers for each
MoreDesk release, too... :)

Also, if I kill MoreKeys with an RMKill, I get a SWI not known error -
because something during module finalisation (or after) is calling SWI
MoreKeys_ReadData but the module is no longer present.

Ta,

Steve

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