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  Emailing ARM code cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-03-18 10:08 +0000
    Re: Emailing ARM code Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 10:35 +0000
      Re: Emailing ARM code Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 18:52 +0000
        Re: Emailing ARM code Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 19:17 +0000
          Re: Emailing ARM code Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-03-18 20:12 +0000
          Re: Emailing ARM code Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 21:24 +0000
            Re: Emailing ARM code Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-03-18 21:43 +0000
              Re: Emailing ARM code Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-18 22:41 +0000
                Re: Emailing ARM code Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-03-19 13:03 +0000
                  Re: Emailing ARM code Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 14:13 +0100
                    Re: Emailing ARM code Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 17:42 +0000
              Re: Emailing ARM code "Felicity S." <Fliss@orpheusnet> - 2012-03-19 19:53 +0000
                Re: Emailing ARM code SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-03-20 11:46 +0000
                  Re: Emailing ARM code "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-20 12:50 +0100
                    Re: Emailing ARM code SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-03-20 13:40 +0000
              Re: Emailing ARM code David <mail@daveandsylvia.plus.com> - 2012-03-25 09:12 +0000
        Re: Emailing ARM code "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 20:46 +0100
          Re: Emailing ARM code Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-18 20:51 +0000
        Re: Emailing ARM code Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 23:15 +0100
          Re: Emailing ARM code Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2012-03-19 12:10 +0000
            Re: Emailing ARM code Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 12:43 +0000
              Re: Emailing ARM code "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 13:57 +0100
                Re: Emailing ARM code Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 14:31 +0100
    Re: Emailing ARM code John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-03-18 10:41 +0000
    Re: Emailing ARM code jeff <jeffrey.a.doggett@gmail.com> - 2012-03-19 01:14 -0700
      Re: Emailing ARM code Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 10:29 +0000
      Re: Emailing ARM code Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 14:33 +0100
        Re: Emailing ARM code Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 17:49 +0000
          Re: Emailing ARM code Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-19 19:06 +0000
            Re: Emailing ARM code Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 19:46 +0000
          Re: Emailing ARM code Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-20 16:51 +0100
            Re: Emailing ARM code Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-20 16:04 +0000
    Re: Emailing ARM code Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-20 00:52 +0000
    Re: Emailing ARM code Nat Queen <n.m.queen@bham.ac.uk> - 2012-03-21 00:37 +0000

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#4368 — Emailing ARM code

It seems some ISP's refuse to let through ARM code.

Is there anyway around this problem.
Thanks
-- 
Colin Ferris Cornwall UK

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#4371

On 18 Mar 2012  cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:

> It seems some ISP's refuse to let through ARM code.

> Is there anyway around this problem.

Put it in a zip, or isn't it that simple?

With best wishes,

Peter.

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#4390

In article <b33d567252.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
   Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 18 Mar 2012  cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:

> > It seems some ISP's refuse to let through ARM code.

> > Is there anyway around this problem.

> Put it in a zip, or isn't it that simple?

It's not that simple. Last week I was sent some RISCOS app upgrade files
as zip files attached to emails. The emails arrived but not the
attachments. He later found that his ISP "Virgin Media
will not let me send executable attachments to emails even in zips". He
had to resort to a CD and the postal system.

Alan

-- 
alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk
alan.dawes@riscos.org
Using an Acorn RiscPC

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#4393

In article <527283c378alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk>,
   Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <b33d567252.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
>    Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 18 Mar 2012  cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:

> > > It seems some ISP's refuse to let through ARM code.

> > > Is there anyway around this problem.

> > Put it in a zip, or isn't it that simple?

> It's not that simple. Last week I was sent some RISCOS app upgrade files
> as zip files attached to emails. The emails arrived but not the
> attachments. He later found that his ISP "Virgin Media
> will not let me send executable attachments to emails even in zips". He
> had to resort to a CD and the postal system.

> Alan

Since when has RISC OS used executables in the form of .exe ?
Wouldn't it be !RunImage and Absolute?

If it is a .exe
Try cheating, change the .suffix of the executable to something else,
stick in the Zip file, note in the email that the receiver needs to change
it back after extracting from the archive.

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#4397

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 19:17:11 +0000 (GMT)
Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <527283c378alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk>,
>    Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <b33d567252.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
> >    Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > On 18 Mar 2012  cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:
> 
> > > > It seems some ISP's refuse to let through ARM code.
> 
> > > > Is there anyway around this problem.
> 
> > > Put it in a zip, or isn't it that simple?
> 
> > It's not that simple. Last week I was sent some RISCOS app upgrade files
> > as zip files attached to emails. The emails arrived but not the
> > attachments. He later found that his ISP "Virgin Media
> > will not let me send executable attachments to emails even in zips". He
> > had to resort to a CD and the postal system.
> 
> > Alan
> 
> Since when has RISC OS used executables in the form of .exe ?
> Wouldn't it be !RunImage and Absolute?
> 
> If it is a .exe
> Try cheating, change the .suffix of the executable to something else,
> stick in the Zip file, note in the email that the receiver needs to change
> it back after extracting from the archive.
> 
> Dave
> 
Why not just change the suffix of the zip file to something like .txt

-- 
Will J G

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#4402

In article <52728601a5dave@triffid.co.uk>,
   Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> Since when has RISC OS used executables in the form of .exe ?
> Wouldn't it be !RunImage and Absolute?

Yes and it seems that it picks up on those as well.

> If it is a .exe
> Try cheating, change the .suffix of the executable to something else,
> stick in the Zip file, note in the email that the receiver needs to change
> it back after extracting from the archive.

Virgin Media's email policy is that no executable attachments even in zips
tars etc. Their system is now run by Google and here is a boring list of
banned types.

ade, adp, bat, chm, cmd, com, cpl, exe, htn, ins, isp, jse, lib, mde, msc,
msp, mst, pif, scr, scl, shb, sys, vb, vbe, vbs, vxd, wsc, wsf, wsh. Not
forgetting RISC OS file types.

I have tried the suggestion of changing the file type to that of text. Still
rejected.

If nothing else one can say that Google are efficient. When I post with an
attachment from the Iyo the NetFetch progress bar fairly speeds along the
slows down to a halt not far from completion. The operation will time out
and the error logs show.

Time: 18 Mar 2012 21:05.
Account xxx whatever.
Error: 5.7.0 "Our system detected an illegal attachment on your message.
Please review our attachment guidelines."

This was after altering the file type of an Absolute file (RunImage) to
Text.

Regards Ron.

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#4404

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 21:24:57 +0000 (GMT)
Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <52728601a5dave@triffid.co.uk>,
>    Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > Since when has RISC OS used executables in the form of .exe ?
> > Wouldn't it be !RunImage and Absolute?
> 
> Yes and it seems that it picks up on those as well.
> 
> > If it is a .exe
> > Try cheating, change the .suffix of the executable to something else,
> > stick in the Zip file, note in the email that the receiver needs to change
> > it back after extracting from the archive.
> 
> Virgin Media's email policy is that no executable attachments even in zips
> tars etc. Their system is now run by Google and here is a boring list of
> banned types.
> 
> ade, adp, bat, chm, cmd, com, cpl, exe, htn, ins, isp, jse, lib, mde, msc,
> msp, mst, pif, scr, scl, shb, sys, vb, vbe, vbs, vxd, wsc, wsf, wsh. Not
> forgetting RISC OS file types.
> 
> I have tried the suggestion of changing the file type to that of text. Still
> rejected.
> 
> If nothing else one can say that Google are efficient. When I post with an
> attachment from the Iyo the NetFetch progress bar fairly speeds along the
> slows down to a halt not far from completion. The operation will time out
> and the error logs show.
> 
> Time: 18 Mar 2012 21:05.
> Account xxx whatever.
> Error: 5.7.0 "Our system detected an illegal attachment on your message.
> Please review our attachment guidelines."
> 
> This was after altering the file type of an Absolute file (RunImage) to
> Text.
> 
> Regards Ron.

That only leaves something like .dat and if that fails, I'd say it's time to
get a civilised ISP!

-- 
Will J G

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#4411

> > This was after altering the file type of an Absolute file
> > (RunImage) to Text.

I don't think that will work - the software is more sophistocated and
analyses the code of the attachment to match with known file
structures. If it does not match an allowed file content then it gets
junked. Since RISC OS file structures are not widely known they all
get rejected. As with many areas of life - if it is not understood,
then it is classed as bad!

-- 
Chris Johnson

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#4430

Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> wrote:

> I don't think that will work - the software is more sophistocated and
> analyses the code of the attachment to match with known file structures.

I wonder if one can send a plain text file containing a hex dump of the
content then?  

-- 
Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

Email sent to my from-address will be deleted. Instead, please reply
to newsreplyaaa@wingsandbeaks.org.uk replacing "aaa" by "284".  

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#4432

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:03:23 +0000, Jeremy Nicoll - news posts 
<jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote:

> I wonder if one can send a plain text file containing a hex dump of 
the
> content then?

...or just switch to an ISP that checks for viruses (viri?) and 
doesn't implement arbitrary blocking.

I mean, we're blocking vbs, exe, etc to protect:
   * Microsoft users
   * logged in as an administrator (that'll be many with XP)
   * who open random attachments
   * and don't have a useful antivirus product

For them, the rest suffer?


If providers are going to block this, why can't they do something 
useful with: Dearest greetings, my name is Um Bongo and I have a 
gazillion dollars stashed away in Burkina Faso that I would like 
dearly to share with you...blah blah blah". I'm sick of reading that 
rubbish, time after time after time.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4441

In article <almarsoft.6753970034420185619@news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > I wonder if one can send a plain text file containing a hex dump of 
> > the content then?

> ...or just switch to an ISP that checks for viruses (viri?) and doesn't
> implement arbitrary blocking.

There are some advantages of using Virgin Media :-).

> I mean, we're blocking vbs, exe, etc to protect: * Microsoft users *
> logged in as an administrator (that'll be many with XP) * who open
> random attachments * and don't have a useful antivirus product

> For them, the rest suffer?

Windows users are most ISPs main customers.

> If providers are going to block this, why can't they do something useful
> with: Dearest greetings, my name is Um Bongo and I have a gazillion
> dollars stashed away in Burkina Faso that I would like dearly to share
> with you...blah blah blah". I'm sick of reading that rubbish, time after
> time after time.

As I said Google are at least efficient. I get virtually no spam and have
had only one false positive since Google set up Virgin Media's e-mail
system.

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#4449

Folderol wrote:

> Ron Briscoe wrote:
>> Dave Symes wrote:
>>> Alan Dawes wrote:
>>>> Peter Young wrote:
>>>>> C.Ferris wrote:

>>>>>> It seems some ISP's refuse to let through ARM code.

>>>>>> Is there anyway around this problem.

>>>>> Put it in a zip, or isn't it that simple?

>>>> It's not that simple. Last week I was sent some RISCOS app upgrade
>>>> files as zip files attached to emails. The emails arrived but not the
>>>> attachments. He later found that his ISP "Virgin Media will not let
>>>> me send executable attachments to emails even in zips". He had to
>>>> resort to a CD and the postal system.

>>> Since when has RISC OS used executables in the form of .exe ?
>>> Wouldn't it be !RunImage and Absolute?

>> Yes and it seems that it picks up on those as well.
>> Virgin Media's email policy is that no executable attachments even in
>> zips tars etc. Their system is now run by Google and here is a boring
>> list of banned types.

>> ade, adp, bat, chm, cmd, com, cpl, exe, htn, ins, isp, jse, lib, mde,
>> msc, msp, mst, pif, scr, scl, shb, sys, vb, vbe, vbs, vxd, wsc, wsf,
>> wsh. Not forgetting RISC OS file types.

So that means .jpg is still allowed?


> That only leaves something like .dat and if that fails, I'd say it's
> time to get a civilised ISP!

I've just dropped a RISC OS executable into a JPEG, and not only does
the image still display, you can't even see the extra pixels.


Fliss

-- 
She said: Gotta go, the audition's at 4 and I still need my tan sprayed on.
He said: Best of luck!  She said: It has nothing to do with luck.
She said: You just have to stand still and keep your eyes & mouth closed.

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#4465

"Felicity S." wrote:
> I've just dropped a RISC OS executable into a JPEG, and not only does the
> image still display, you can't even see the extra pixels.

Curious: I tried this several times and on every occasion the JPG
produced a corrupted display.

--  
Stewart Goldwater 
http://janusg.co.nr 

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#4466

In article <gemini.4f686e07000fbe170b80%nwsgrp@ntlworld.com>,
   SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> Curious: I tried this several times and on every occasion the JPG
> produced a corrupted display.

Did you append it to the end?

John

-- 
John Williams, Brittany, Northern France - no attachments to these addresses!
Non-RISC OS posters change user to johnrwilliams or put 'risc' in subject!
Who is John Williams? http://petit.four.free.fr/picindex/author/

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#4468

John Williams wrote:
> SG nws wrote:
>> Curious: I tried this several times and on every occasion the JPG
>> produced a corrupted display.

> Did you append it to the end?

1st 3x - yes; 4th time - in the middle.
Made no diff.

--  
Stewart Goldwater 
http://janusg.co.nr 

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#4603

In message <20120318214338.4a81b793@office>
          Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> wrote:


> That only leaves something like .dat and if that fails, I'd say it's time to
> get a civilised ISP!

Try Plusnet.

Dave.

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#4396

In article <527283c378alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk>,
   Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <b33d567252.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
>    Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 18 Mar 2012  cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:

> > > It seems some ISP's refuse to let through ARM code.

> > > Is there anyway around this problem.

> > Put it in a zip, or isn't it that simple?

> It's not that simple. Last week I was sent some RISCOS app upgrade files
> as zip files attached to emails. The emails arrived but not the
> attachments. He later found that his ISP "Virgin Media
> will not let me send executable attachments to emails even in zips". He
> had to resort to a CD and the postal system.S

Set type data and instruct file type in the message?

John

-- 
John Williams, Brittany, Northern France - no attachments to these addresses!
Non-RISC OS posters change user to johnrwilliams or put 'risc' in subject!
Who is John Williams? http://petit.four.free.fr/picindex/author/

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#4406

In article <527288a570UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>,
   John Williams (News) <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Set type data and instruct file type in the message?

I think the blocking software used by some of these ISPs now inspects
the header of the file rather than just looking at the file extension
to prevent files being disguised as something else. Even using
something like Acorn Squash isn't guaranteed to work, since some ISPs
block attachments they don't understand. Such is progress.

-- 
Chris Johnson

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#4409

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:52:41 +0000 (GMT), Alan Dawes 
<alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> He later found that his ISP "Virgin Media
> will not let me send executable attachments to emails even in zips".

Wow. Time to change ISP, if that is correct!


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4426

In article <almarsoft.7767210416796127403@news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:52:41 +0000 (GMT), Alan Dawes 
> <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > He later found that his ISP "Virgin Media
> > will not let me send executable attachments to emails even in zips".

> Wow. Time to change ISP, if that is correct!

Virgin is also my ISP which is one reason why I don't have my email go
through them. I use Purley Hosting and thought my self safe but last
Tuesday even Purley rejected an email with a zip folder containing a
!RunImage. I had to turn off virus checking to allow the sender to get an
email through.

Cheers,

Bob.

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