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In article <101vj6r$2f9q5$1@dont-email.me>,
   druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
> On 06/06/2025 20:21, Bob Latham wrote:
> > In article <756dda285c.chris@mytardis>,
> >     Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> >> Why not just get yourself a much faster RISC OS computer!
> >> Something like Pi4B, RISC OS Browser will be then be quicker.
> > 
> > Well actually I do have a Pi4 and it has RISCOS 5 on it and it
> > has been clocked a bit too. I enjoy working on trying to perfect
> > the tagging in my fairly substantial music library held on a NAS.
> > 
> > I estimated it was about 10% faster at that particular task than
> > my Mini.m cube. That task is networking intensive through
> > Lanman98 and sunfish. I admit I've not really played with the pi4
> > as a desktop machine and I suppose I should but it wasn't the
> > night and day I was looking for on the networking job.

> I'm surprised you only find the Pi4B 10% faster. It has at least 5x
> faster processor than the Mini.M, which is between a Pi 2B and a
> 3B. I've found the networking performance of the Pi 4B to be at
> least double that of the Mini.m, and that with the ROOL stack, the
> latest ROD is quicker again.

I've not done it for a while so after your comments I've just done a
speed comparison. This is a music library scan. I opens every track
in the library and checks the tagging meets my reuirements before
closing the file again. The code is written in basic assembler. 

It uses both Sunfish and Lanman98 simultaneously, it does this
because I've never found a file Sunfish couldn't see but plenty LM98
can't see at all. However, I do change the names etc. to make it
useable from LM98, I don't mind wrong characters being displayed but
they must be fully useable.  

Results this morning.

Mini.m 13 minutes 49 seconds.
Pi4 13 mins 7 seconds.

The pi4 is noisy and has no real time clock.

That's why I don't use it.

If you can tell me why this task shows little if any difference I
would be delighted.

NAS is synology DS218.
 
> What are you using for storage on the Pi 4? 

The SD card and the on board ram. For my task above after loading the
code it doesn't use the sd card until it saves the results.

> The one thing the
> Mini.m had going for it was the SATA interface hooked up directly
> to a SSD, which gave it much better performance than a Pi 2 or 3.
> The Pi 4 is a big improvement over those with a USB SSD, even
> though RISC OS *still* doesn't support USB3.

Last year I was speaking to some RISCOS machine vendors, they all
told me how much faster their machines were due to faster storage
which isn't my bottle neck. When I ask about networking speed they go
quieter and don't seem to have anything to offer.

> > The other thing that puts me off it is the fan, I hate the fan
> > cutting in and out I can't wait to switch the machine off because
> > of it. Are there any fanless faster machines?

> There are two options, my RISC OS Pi 4B has the big aluminum block
> heatsink case, so is completely silent and never runs too hot with
> RISC OS only using a single core.

Not seen that, I'll see if I can find one.

> On my Linux Pi 4B's I did try a fan shim, but the tiny fan soon got
> noisey and I replaced it 3 times before giving up. I decided go
> larger than the 30mm fans on the Pi 3Bs and 3B+s and all of the
> 4Bs are now in cases with much larger 40mm fans running on 3V3,
> they are inaudible and run cool.

Good to know.

> The range of Pi compute module 4 based machines look to be the best 
> thing to run RISC OS on at the moment.

Thanks Dave for the excellent information.

Cheers,

Bob.

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