Re: Uptime for OpenVMS

From	Bob Eager <rde42@spamcop.net>
Newsgroups	comp.os.vms
Subject	Re: Uptime for OpenVMS
Date	2011-05-13 19:43 +0000
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On Fri, 13 May 2011 11:18:10 -0600, Johnny Billquist wrote:

> On 2011-05-13 09.38, Steve Thompson wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 May 2011, Bob Eager wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 13 May 2011 01:49:24 -0600, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok. True. Yes, if the inode numbers were preserved, then it would be
>>>> theoretically possible.
>>>> However, the OS have no way of knowing for sure that the inode
>>>> numbers were preserved, so that is more on the theoretical side (I
>>>> actually don't know of any way to actually preserve inode numbers
>>>> when copying a disk...).
>>>
>>> The equivalent of BACKUP/PHYSICAL would do it. It would be nice
>>> though...
>>
>> That would be dd.
> 
> Hmm. Yuck! Yes, dd would be a way to copy a disk preserving the inode
> numbers. Output disk must be the same size as input disk. And it will be
> slow. But ok... :-)

Don't see why it has to be slow. Give it a nice big buffer and it can be 
very fast.

> But the OS would still not know that this new disk was equivalent to the
> old one...

Yes, that *is* the problem.

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Uptime for OpenVMS abrsvc <dansabrservices@yahoo.com> - 2011-05-10 11:54 -0700
  Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Marc Schlensog <mschlens+news@gmail.com> - 2011-05-10 21:11 +0200
    Re: Uptime for OpenVMS abrsvc <dansabrservices@yahoo.com> - 2011-05-10 12:23 -0700
      Re: Uptime for OpenVMS koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2011-05-10 15:59 -0500
      Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-05-11 13:59 +0200
  Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Rich Jordan <jordan@ccs4vms.com> - 2011-05-10 16:21 -0700
    Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Rich Jordan <jordan@ccs4vms.com> - 2011-05-13 09:59 -0700
  Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Neil Rieck <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> - 2011-05-11 03:38 -0700
    Re: Uptime for OpenVMS koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2011-05-11 07:32 -0500
      Re: Uptime for OpenVMS billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2011-05-11 13:04 +0000
    Re: Uptime for OpenVMS "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> - 2011-05-11 17:20 -0400
  Re: Uptime for OpenVMS BillPedersen <pedersen@ccsscorp.com> - 2011-05-11 04:01 -0700
    Re: Uptime for OpenVMS billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2011-05-11 13:09 +0000
      Re: Uptime for OpenVMS JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-05-11 09:15 -0400
        Re: Uptime for OpenVMS billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2011-05-11 14:55 +0000
          Re: Uptime for OpenVMS ChrisQ <meru@devnull.com> - 2011-05-17 16:22 +0100
            Re: Uptime for OpenVMS helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---undress to reply) - 2011-05-17 18:35 +0000
              Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Keith Parris <keithparris_deletethis@yahoo.com> - 2011-05-17 14:15 -0600
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS ChrisQ <meru@devnull.com> - 2011-05-17 22:48 +0100
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS seasoned_geek <roland@logikalsolutions.com> - 2011-05-21 08:54 -0700
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-05-25 10:30 +0200
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2011-05-17 23:19 +0000
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-05-18 11:25 +0200
            Re: Uptime for OpenVMS MG <marcogbNO@SPAMxs4all.nl> - 2011-05-17 20:41 +0200
              Re: Uptime for OpenVMS "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> - 2011-05-17 16:37 -0400
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS MG <marcogbNO@SPAMxs4all.nl> - 2011-05-17 22:47 +0200
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS ChrisQ <meru@devnull.com> - 2011-05-17 22:33 +0100
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2011-05-18 09:54 -0500
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-05-21 06:45 +0200
              Re: Uptime for OpenVMS koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2011-05-18 09:50 -0500
              Re: Uptime for OpenVMS seasoned_geek <roland@logikalsolutions.com> - 2011-05-21 08:25 -0700
            Re: Uptime for OpenVMS koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2011-05-18 09:44 -0500
              Re: Uptime for OpenVMS "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> - 2011-05-18 11:15 -0400
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-05-18 09:30 -0700
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> - 2011-05-18 21:08 -0400
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-05-18 19:13 -0700
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS MG <marcogbNO@SPAMxs4all.nl> - 2011-05-19 11:31 +0200
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-05-23 13:10 +0200
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> - 2011-05-19 13:22 -0400
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS John Wallace <johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-05-19 10:53 -0700
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-05-21 06:36 +0200
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2011-05-18 11:59 -0500
      Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Single Stage to Orbit <alex.buell@munted.org.uk> - 2011-05-11 16:43 +0100
        Re: Uptime for OpenVMS JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-05-11 12:47 -0400
      Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-05-11 10:23 -0600
        Re: Uptime for OpenVMS John Wallace <johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-05-11 09:48 -0700
          Re: Uptime for OpenVMS billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2011-05-11 17:01 +0000
            Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-05-11 11:02 -0600
            Re: Uptime for OpenVMS glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-05-11 18:13 +0000
              Re: Uptime for OpenVMS billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2011-05-11 18:46 +0000
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-05-11 18:59 +0000
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2011-05-11 19:12 +0000
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-05-11 17:28 -0600
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2011-05-12 00:06 +0000
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-05-11 18:37 -0600
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-05-12 09:08 +0000
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2011-05-12 08:36 -0500
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2011-05-12 14:12 +0000
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Bob Eager <rde42@spamcop.net> - 2011-05-11 19:26 +0000
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2011-05-11 20:40 +0000
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Bob Eager <rde42@spamcop.net> - 2011-05-11 21:12 +0000
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Single Stage to Orbit <alex.buell@munted.org.uk> - 2011-05-11 23:33 +0100
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Bob Eager <rde42@spamcop.net> - 2011-05-12 05:49 +0000
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Steve Thompson <smt@vgersoft.com> - 2011-05-12 16:56 -0400
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-05-13 01:21 +0000
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Bob Eager <rde42@spamcop.net> - 2011-05-13 06:01 +0000
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-05-13 00:54 -0600
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-05-13 01:13 -0600
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Bob Eager <rde42@spamcop.net> - 2011-05-13 07:32 +0000
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-05-13 01:49 -0600
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Bob Eager <rde42@spamcop.net> - 2011-05-13 08:45 +0000
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Steve Thompson <smt@vgersoft.com> - 2011-05-13 11:38 -0400
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-05-13 11:18 -0600
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2011-05-13 17:24 +0000
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-05-13 13:38 -0400
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-05-13 12:45 -0600
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> - 2011-05-13 15:11 -0400
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-05-13 21:18 -0400
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2011-05-14 02:35 +0000
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-05-13 23:24 -0400
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-05-14 02:32 -0600
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS seasoned_geek <roland@logikalsolutions.com> - 2011-05-21 08:09 -0700
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2011-05-14 13:24 +0000
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> - 2011-05-14 11:04 -0400
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS "Robert A. Brooks" <rab@aitchpee.com> - 2011-05-16 11:24 -0400
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-05-18 11:34 +0200
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS "John Reagan" <johnrreagan@earthlink.net> - 2011-05-18 07:03 -0400
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS seasoned_geek <roland@logikalsolutions.com> - 2011-05-21 07:54 -0700
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS "Robert A. Brooks" <rab@aitchpee.com> - 2011-05-23 10:00 -0400
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-05-14 02:30 -0600
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-05-14 09:28 +0000
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Wilm Boerhout <wboerhout-remove@this-gmail.com> - 2011-05-14 15:41 +0200
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-05-14 20:55 +0000
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-05-15 17:10 +0200
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Single Stage to Orbit <alex.buell@munted.org.uk> - 2011-05-15 20:17 +0100
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-05-18 11:37 +0200
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS seasoned_geek <roland@logikalsolutions.com> - 2011-05-21 08:13 -0700
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS seasoned_geek <roland@logikalsolutions.com> - 2011-05-21 08:12 -0700
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-05-13 21:12 +0200
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Bob Eager <rde42@spamcop.net> - 2011-05-13 19:43 +0000
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-05-13 14:27 -0600
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-05-13 20:05 +0000
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-05-13 14:28 -0600
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Bob Eager <rde42@spamcop.net> - 2011-05-13 19:41 +0000
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-05-13 11:16 -0600
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2011-05-16 15:49 -0500
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2011-05-18 09:59 -0500
                Re: Uptime for OpenVMS ChrisQ <meru@devnull.com> - 2011-05-17 16:31 +0100
            Re: Uptime for OpenVMS drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2011-05-12 09:22 -0500
          Re: Uptime for OpenVMS glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-05-11 18:09 +0000
            Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Bob Eager <rde42@spamcop.net> - 2011-05-11 19:23 +0000
        Re: Uptime for OpenVMS JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-05-11 12:56 -0400
          Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-05-11 11:04 -0600
            Re: Uptime for OpenVMS moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2011-05-11 17:20 +0000
              Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-05-11 11:52 -0600
            Re: Uptime for OpenVMS JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-05-11 13:21 -0400
          Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Ken Fairfield <ken.fairfield@gmail.com> - 2011-05-11 12:16 -0700
            Re: Uptime for OpenVMS jbriggs444 <jbriggs444@gmail.com> - 2011-05-12 05:45 -0700
            Re: Uptime for OpenVMS koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2011-05-12 08:17 -0500
          Re: Uptime for OpenVMS onedbguru <onedbguru@yahoo.com> - 2011-05-11 17:03 -0700
            Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-05-12 11:08 +0200
          Re: Uptime for OpenVMS jbriggs444 <jbriggs444@gmail.com> - 2011-05-12 05:30 -0700
            Re: Uptime for OpenVMS koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2011-05-12 08:39 -0500
            Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Henry Crun <mike@rechtman.com> - 2011-05-12 18:41 +0300
        Re: Uptime for OpenVMS seasoned_geek <roland@logikalsolutions.com> - 2011-05-13 08:49 -0700
          Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-05-13 11:19 -0600
            Re: Uptime for OpenVMS billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2011-05-13 17:57 +0000
              Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-05-13 12:46 -0600
              Re: Uptime for OpenVMS "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> - 2011-05-13 15:16 -0400
  Re: Uptime for OpenVMS "R.A.Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> - 2011-05-11 13:58 +0100
    Re: Uptime for OpenVMS MG <marcogbNO@SPAMxs4all.nl> - 2011-05-11 15:31 +0200
      Re: Uptime for OpenVMS abrsvc <dansabrservices@yahoo.com> - 2011-05-11 06:37 -0700
      Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Rich Jordan <jordan@ccs4vms.com> - 2011-05-11 07:42 -0700
  Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Homer Shoemaker <homer.shoemaker@gmail.com> - 2011-05-12 09:07 -0700
  Re: Uptime for OpenVMS Joe Bloggs <JBloggs@acme.com> - 2011-05-12 09:35 -0700

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