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Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out

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  Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 03:38 -0400
    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-03-14 09:52 +0000
      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 06:07 -0400
        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-03-14 10:15 +0000
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 06:25 -0400
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:18 +0000
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-14 17:19 +0000
        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:53 +0100
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-03-14 18:48 +0000
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-14 22:45 +0100
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 21:47 -0400
        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:16 +0000
      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:12 +0000
    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:51 +0100
    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:03 +0000
      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 21:49 -0400
    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-14 17:13 +0000
    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-03-14 22:03 +0100
      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-15 02:09 +0000
        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-14 19:23 -0700
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 22:26 -0400
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-15 05:03 +0000
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-15 04:11 -0400
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-15 09:00 -0700
        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-03-15 10:05 +0100
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-15 20:51 +0000
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-15 21:25 +0000
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-03-16 00:30 +0100
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-16 02:36 +0000
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-03-16 06:00 +0100
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-16 06:19 +0000
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-03-16 09:52 +0100
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-16 05:15 -0400
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-16 20:05 +0000
        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-16 00:51 -0400
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-16 05:59 +0000
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-16 13:05 +0000
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-16 09:50 -0400
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-16 14:11 +0000
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-17 01:47 -0400
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-17 18:27 +0000
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-18 03:36 -0400
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-16 22:00 +0100
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-17 03:05 -0400
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-17 12:43 +0100
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-16 20:04 +0000
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-16 22:10 +0100
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-17 09:14 +0000
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-16 23:01 +0000
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-17 00:02 +0000
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-17 00:47 +0000
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-17 06:10 +0000
                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-17 09:19 +0000
                        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-17 19:35 +0000
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-17 03:37 -0400
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-17 12:48 +0100
                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-18 00:25 +0000
                        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-18 11:32 +0100
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-17 19:35 +0000
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-17 00:49 +0000
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-17 00:41 +0000
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-22 12:04 +0000
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-22 08:49 -0400
                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-22 16:40 +0000
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-17 03:09 -0400
    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-03-15 02:52 +0000
    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-04-14 14:51 +0200
      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-04-14 17:41 +0200
        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-14 19:23 -0400
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-15 11:00 +0200
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-15 20:22 -0400
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-16 00:28 +0000
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-04-17 08:03 +1000
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-17 11:44 +0000
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-17 13:02 +0100
                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-04-18 08:23 +1000
                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-04-17 21:01 -0700
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-17 20:39 +0200
                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-17 21:06 +0000
                        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-17 18:10 -0400
                          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-18 13:25 +0200
                            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-18 20:33 +0000
                              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-19 16:48 -0400
                                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-19 21:55 +0100
                                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-19 23:02 +0200
                                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-20 14:57 -0400
                                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-20 20:54 +0100
                                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-21 00:29 +0200
                                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-20 21:08 -0400
                                        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-21 02:51 +0000
                                          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 09:54 +0100
                                        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-21 12:27 +0200
                                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-21 00:27 +0200
                                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-20 21:09 -0400
                                        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 09:54 +0100
                                        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-21 12:32 +0200
                                          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 13:11 +0100
                                            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-21 19:12 -0400
                                              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-22 07:03 +0200
                                                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-22 15:59 -0400
                                                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-22 22:40 +0200
                                              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-22 10:06 +0100
                                                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-22 15:37 +0000
                                          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 17:39 +0100
                                            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 18:24 +0100
                                              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 21:33 +0100
                                                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-22 10:06 +0100
                                                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-22 17:31 +0100
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-17 18:03 -0400
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-16 11:01 +0200
      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-04-21 00:12 +0200

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#82965 — Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-03-14 03:38 -0400
SubjectSmall Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out
Message-ID<uAOdnd1BD9YcjSj0nZ2dnZfqn_cAAAAA@giganews.com>
My AT&T "Internet Air" connection has slowly become
worse and worse. NEVER as fast as their 2nd-gen DSL
and NOW, many times a day (oddly late evenings)
the 5G router just randomly goes to all-yellow
blink mode. NOTHING on the net about it. No, it's
not 'updates' ... some kind of major signal drop/err.

MAY have to go to an alt provider. Ugly for
a number of reasons, esp payments. Most
demand a bank routing number these days.
In the USA you have lots of protections
for credit card charges, but NONE for
direct-routing. I expect, have experienced,
evil in this respect.

Cut 'em off ... endless letters about how
they are gonna RUIN your credit rating. That
goes back to CompuServe at least .......

No, NOT gonna go fiber ... for SURE they'd use it
as an excuse to zap my legacy hardwire phone.
Hardwire KEEPS WORKING even in storm and disaster
while the cell towers DROP one by one .....

I'm, alas, OLD now ... DO need at least one
really really solid communications channel.

Alas, in my current prob, ThunderBird does not
seem able to tolerate even a momentary drop in
the connection. Have to terminate, then restart
when the lights go green again. 50% of my posts,
well, have to SAVE them as drafts, kill the app,
then restart and post the draft. Sometimes it
does not remember ... crude copy is the backup,
not so great.

This is TBird + GigaNews.

Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will
increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection
outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes.

SO many settings, across several menus. Just can't
FIND what I want ... if it exists at all.

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#82971

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-03-14 09:52 +0000
Message-ID<n1kpemF30okU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#82965
c186282 wrote:

> NOT gonna go fiber ... for SURE they'd use it
> as an excuse to zap my legacy hardwire phone.

They'll find reasons (expensive linesmen, expensive central offices) to 
drop them soon enough.  Though I'm happy with VDSL speeds here, I'll 
snap their hands off the day FTTP becomes available here ...

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#82972

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-03-14 06:07 -0400
Message-ID<oO2dnURCOubnrij0nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#82971
On 3/14/26 05:52, Andy Burns wrote:
> c186282 wrote:
> 
>> NOT gonna go fiber ... for SURE they'd use it
>> as an excuse to zap my legacy hardwire phone.
> 
> They'll find reasons (expensive linesmen, expensive central offices) to 
> drop them soon enough.  Though I'm happy with VDSL speeds here, I'll 
> snap their hands off the day FTTP becomes available here ...

   I'll keep the hard-line as long as possible ... and
   they DO keep raising the price, hoping I'll cancel

   There ARE valuable virtues to hard lines. Been there,
   seen it, worth a little extra money.

   But, if I get fiber they WILL, for sure, use that
   as an excuse to tear down my hard-line and zap the
   very very longstanding number.

   Hmm ... any LAWYERS in the house ?

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#82973

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-03-14 10:15 +0000
Message-ID<n1kqqnF35cdU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#82972
c186282 wrote:

> the very very longstanding number.

Over there, do you have the option to migrate the number to a VoIP provider?

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#82974

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-03-14 06:25 -0400
Message-ID<Uk2dnWsIFNsHqij0nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#82973
On 3/14/26 06:15, Andy Burns wrote:
> c186282 wrote:
> 
>> the very very longstanding number.
> 
> Over there, do you have the option to migrate the number to a VoIP 
> provider?

   Never heard of it. MAY exist, but VOIP is
   a poor substitute for an actual hard wired
   connection.

   I understand, hard-wires require PHYSICAL
   MAINT ... expensive for The Company. They
   really badly want to get RID of all that
   (and there ARE some legal aspect for
   hardwire in the USA, like QUICK repair).

   But the alts SUCK.

   Oh, TBird, set 'mailnews.tcp.timeout' to 10000
   instead of 1000. We'll see.

   It works pretty well during the day, but I'm
   more on a "third shift" schedule - note when
   this was posted  :-)

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#82992

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-03-14 13:18 +0000
Message-ID<10p3n6o$8394$12@dont-email.me>
In reply to#82974
On 14/03/2026 10:25, c186282 wrote:
> On 3/14/26 06:15, Andy Burns wrote:
>> c186282 wrote:
>>
>>> the very very longstanding number.
>>
>> Over there, do you have the option to migrate the number to a VoIP 
>> provider?
> 
>    Never heard of it. MAY exist, but VOIP is
>    a poor substitute for an actual hard wired
>    connection.
> 
Actually, I used it for several tears as a 'business number' over ADSL

It was actually *better* than copper quality wise

>    I understand, hard-wires require PHYSICAL
>    MAINT ... expensive for The Company. They
>    really badly want to get RID of all that
>    (and there ARE some legal aspect for
>    hardwire in the USA, like QUICK repair).
> 
>    But the alts SUCK.
> 
>    Oh, TBird, set 'mailnews.tcp.timeout' to 10000
>    instead of 1000. We'll see.
> 
>    It works pretty well during the day, but I'm
>    more on a "third shift" schedule - note when
>    this was posted  :-)
> 
Just move into the 21st century scrap the copper and get some fibre.,


-- 
"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted 
man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest 
thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly 
persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid 
before him."

    - Leo Tolstoy

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#82996

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-03-14 17:19 +0000
Message-ID<n1ljlmF6u7vU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#82992
On Sat, 14 Mar 2026 13:18:16 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Just move into the 21st century scrap the copper and get some fibre.,

I don't expect to see fiber any time soon. Simple economics -- you lay 
fiber to areas with people. The cable people never made it out here 
either.  I only do OTA for the few local broadcast channels. The people 
who want the full meal have dishes.

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#82986

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-03-14 13:53 +0100
Message-ID<6c2g8mxfs8.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#82972
On 2026-03-14 11:07, c186282 wrote:
> On 3/14/26 05:52, Andy Burns wrote:
>> c186282 wrote:
>>
>>> NOT gonna go fiber ... for SURE they'd use it
>>> as an excuse to zap my legacy hardwire phone.
>>
>> They'll find reasons (expensive linesmen, expensive central offices) 
>> to drop them soon enough.  Though I'm happy with VDSL speeds here, 
>> I'll snap their hands off the day FTTP becomes available here ...
> 
>    I'll keep the hard-line as long as possible ... and
>    they DO keep raising the price, hoping I'll cancel
> 
>    There ARE valuable virtues to hard lines. Been there,
>    seen it, worth a little extra money.
> 
>    But, if I get fiber they WILL, for sure, use that
>    as an excuse to tear down my hard-line and zap the
>    very very longstanding number.
> 
>    Hmm ... any LAWYERS in the house ?

Here the change is enforced. Initially it was voluntary, but at the end, 
it was enforced. They simply removed the copper exchanges. Two month notice.

Those places where fiber is not feasible, had to change to radio.

Ah, of course people keep their phone number.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#83001

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2026-03-14 18:48 +0000
Message-ID<10p4ahf$g52r$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#82986
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2026-03-14 11:07, c186282 wrote:
>> On 3/14/26 05:52, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>> NOT gonna go fiber ... for SURE they'd use it
>>>> as an excuse to zap my legacy hardwire phone.
>>>
>>> They'll find reasons (expensive linesmen, expensive central offices) 
>>> to drop them soon enough.  Though I'm happy with VDSL speeds here, 
>>> I'll snap their hands off the day FTTP becomes available here ...
>> 
>>    I'll keep the hard-line as long as possible ... and
>>    they DO keep raising the price, hoping I'll cancel
>> 
>>    There ARE valuable virtues to hard lines. Been there,
>>    seen it, worth a little extra money.
>> 
>>    But, if I get fiber they WILL, for sure, use that
>>    as an excuse to tear down my hard-line and zap the
>>    very very longstanding number.
>> 
>>    Hmm ... any LAWYERS in the house ?
> 
> Here the change is enforced. Initially it was voluntary, but at the end, 
> it was enforced. They simply removed the copper exchanges. Two month notice.
> 
> Those places where fiber is not feasible, had to change to radio.
> 
> Ah, of course people keep their phone number.

Same here (in the US).  They (Verizon in my case) simply got "regulator 
approval" to decomission the legacy copper wiring, and away it went.

I switched the phone number that used to be on the legacy copper over 
to a VOIP service and saved a bunch of money each month.

I no longer recall how much official notice we were given (the copper 
decomissioning occurred sometime 2018/2019 timeframe).  I'd seen rumors 
of the change coming long before Verizon provided the "official notice" 
and had been preparing for the switch in any case.

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#83006

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-03-14 22:45 +0100
Message-ID<3g1h8mxo8q.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#83001
On 2026-03-14 19:48, Rich wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2026-03-14 11:07, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 3/14/26 05:52, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> c186282 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> NOT gonna go fiber ... for SURE they'd use it
>>>>> as an excuse to zap my legacy hardwire phone.
>>>>
>>>> They'll find reasons (expensive linesmen, expensive central offices)
>>>> to drop them soon enough.  Though I'm happy with VDSL speeds here,
>>>> I'll snap their hands off the day FTTP becomes available here ...
>>>
>>>     I'll keep the hard-line as long as possible ... and
>>>     they DO keep raising the price, hoping I'll cancel
>>>
>>>     There ARE valuable virtues to hard lines. Been there,
>>>     seen it, worth a little extra money.
>>>
>>>     But, if I get fiber they WILL, for sure, use that
>>>     as an excuse to tear down my hard-line and zap the
>>>     very very longstanding number.
>>>
>>>     Hmm ... any LAWYERS in the house ?
>>
>> Here the change is enforced. Initially it was voluntary, but at the end,
>> it was enforced. They simply removed the copper exchanges. Two month notice.
>>
>> Those places where fiber is not feasible, had to change to radio.
>>
>> Ah, of course people keep their phone number.
> 
> Same here (in the US).  They (Verizon in my case) simply got "regulator
> approval" to decomission the legacy copper wiring, and away it went.
> 
> I switched the phone number that used to be on the legacy copper over
> to a VOIP service and saved a bunch of money each month.
> 
> I no longer recall how much official notice we were given (the copper
> decomissioning occurred sometime 2018/2019 timeframe).  I'd seen rumors
> of the change coming long before Verizon provided the "official notice"
> and had been preparing for the switch in any case.

I switched way before it was mandatory. They made me an offer including 
internet, tv, landline, mobile phone, at a lower price than what I was 
paying.

Now the price went up. Specially the TV, the basic offer has little of 
interest. Good things you need to pay for Prime, Netflix, Apple, 
whatever. You can not have them all.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#83009

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-03-14 21:47 -0400
Message-ID<wtqdnRMuE68Lkiv0nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#82986
On 3/14/26 08:53, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-03-14 11:07, c186282 wrote:
>> On 3/14/26 05:52, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>> NOT gonna go fiber ... for SURE they'd use it
>>>> as an excuse to zap my legacy hardwire phone.
>>>
>>> They'll find reasons (expensive linesmen, expensive central offices) 
>>> to drop them soon enough.  Though I'm happy with VDSL speeds here, 
>>> I'll snap their hands off the day FTTP becomes available here ...
>>
>>    I'll keep the hard-line as long as possible ... and
>>    they DO keep raising the price, hoping I'll cancel
>>
>>    There ARE valuable virtues to hard lines. Been there,
>>    seen it, worth a little extra money.
>>
>>    But, if I get fiber they WILL, for sure, use that
>>    as an excuse to tear down my hard-line and zap the
>>    very very longstanding number.
>>
>>    Hmm ... any LAWYERS in the house ?
> 
> Here the change is enforced. Initially it was voluntary, but at the end, 
> it was enforced. They simply removed the copper exchanges. Two month 
> notice.
> 
> Those places where fiber is not feasible, had to change to radio.
> 
> Ah, of course people keep their phone number.

  Not here ... the wireless numbers are entirely
  different (aCode)-xxx-nnnn 'xxx's from the old
  hardlines. A lot of people and institutions,
  some I rarely even remember, only have the old
  hardline number.

  Again, any lawyers in the house ? File endless
  motions and mini-suits and such to delay any
  enforced change until after I'm long gone :-)

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#82990

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-03-14 13:16 +0000
Message-ID<10p3n3b$8394$11@dont-email.me>
In reply to#82972
On 14/03/2026 10:07, c186282 wrote:
> On 3/14/26 05:52, Andy Burns wrote:
>> c186282 wrote:
>>
>>> NOT gonna go fiber ... for SURE they'd use it
>>> as an excuse to zap my legacy hardwire phone.
>>
>> They'll find reasons (expensive linesmen, expensive central offices) 
>> to drop them soon enough.  Though I'm happy with VDSL speeds here, 
>> I'll snap their hands off the day FTTP becomes available here ...
> 
>    I'll keep the hard-line as long as possible ... and
>    they DO keep raising the price, hoping I'll cancel
> 
>    There ARE valuable virtues to hard lines. Been there,
>    seen it, worth a little extra money.
> 
>    But, if I get fiber they WILL, for sure, use that
>    as an excuse to tear down my hard-line and zap the
>    very very longstanding number.
> 
Well you can transfer the number to a VOIP provider.
VOIP is very very good if the IP bandwidth is better than about 1Mbps 
and you aren't playing online adventure games with a router that doesn't 
prioritise VOIP packets

About the only thing my hard copper line gives me that VOIP does not is 
the ability to make a phone call when the power goes down. Unfortunately 
my voice is all via a small house PABX anyway.

But I have a mobile...,

>    Hmm ... any LAWYERS in the house ?
> 

-- 
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit 
atrocities.”

― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de 
Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de 
M. de Voltaire

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#82989

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-03-14 13:12 +0000
Message-ID<10p3msd$8394$10@dont-email.me>
In reply to#82971
On 14/03/2026 09:52, Andy Burns wrote:
> c186282 wrote:
> 
>> NOT gonna go fiber ... for SURE they'd use it
>> as an excuse to zap my legacy hardwire phone.
> 
> They'll find reasons (expensive linesmen, expensive central offices) to 
> drop them soon enough.  Though I'm happy with VDSL speeds here, I'll 
> snap their hands off the day FTTP becomes available here ...

I just wanted reliability and a bit more than ADSL offered 2 miles from 
the DSLAM

So I did bite their hand off.

 From 6Mbps/1Mbps to 40Mbps/10Mbps at very little extra cost. Could have 
had up to a Gbps I think


Uk is signing off on all copper lines soon anyway. And the local 
exchanges with the DSLAMs

Expensive and the gyppos keep nicking the cable.

I will need to find a SIP provider that is PAYG...

-- 
“But what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an 
hypothesis!”

Mary Wollstonecraft

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#82985

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-03-14 13:51 +0100
Message-ID<472g8mxfs8.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#82965
On 2026-03-14 08:38, c186282 wrote:
> My AT&T "Internet Air" connection has slowly become
> worse and worse. NEVER as fast as their 2nd-gen DSL
> and NOW, many times a day (oddly late evenings)
> the 5G router just randomly goes to all-yellow
> blink mode. NOTHING on the net about it. No, it's
> not 'updates' ... some kind of major signal drop/err.
> 
> MAY have to go to an alt provider. Ugly for
> a number of reasons, esp payments. Most
> demand a bank routing number these days.
> In the USA you have lots of protections
> for credit card charges, but NONE for
> direct-routing. I expect, have experienced,
> evil in this respect.
> 
> Cut 'em off ... endless letters about how
> they are gonna RUIN your credit rating. That
> goes back to CompuServe at least .......
> 
> No, NOT gonna go fiber ... for SURE they'd use it
> as an excuse to zap my legacy hardwire phone.
> Hardwire KEEPS WORKING even in storm and disaster
> while the cell towers DROP one by one .....
> 
> I'm, alas, OLD now ... DO need at least one
> really really solid communications channel.
> 
> Alas, in my current prob, ThunderBird does not
> seem able to tolerate even a momentary drop in
> the connection. Have to terminate, then restart
> when the lights go green again. 50% of my posts,
> well, have to SAVE them as drafts, kill the app,
> then restart and post the draft. Sometimes it
> does not remember ... crude copy is the backup,
> not so great.

Doesn't happen to me. For instance, I move my laptop between two cities, 
with different ISP, and TB is happy. Maybe after waiting a while. I 
hibernate the machine in between, of course.

I can also move the laptop between two AP in my house. Same LAN, but 
there is a minute without network.

> 
> This is TBird + GigaNews.
> 
> Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will
> increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection
> outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes.
> 
> SO many settings, across several menus. Just can't
> FIND what I want ... if it exists at all.
> 


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#82988

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-03-14 13:03 +0000
Message-ID<10p3mb9$8394$9@dont-email.me>
In reply to#82965
On 14/03/2026 07:38, c186282 wrote:
> My AT&T "Internet Air" connection has slowly become
> worse and worse. NEVER as fast as their 2nd-gen DSL
> and NOW, many times a day (oddly late evenings)
> the 5G router just randomly goes to all-yellow
> blink mode. NOTHING on the net about it. No, it's
> not 'updates' ... some kind of major signal drop/err.
> 
> MAY have to go to an alt provider. Ugly for
> a number of reasons, esp payments. Most
> demand a bank routing number these days.
> In the USA you have lots of protections
> for credit card charges, but NONE for
> direct-routing. I expect, have experienced,
> evil in this respect.
> 
> Cut 'em off ... endless letters about how
> they are gonna RUIN your credit rating. That
> goes back to CompuServe at least .......
> 
> No, NOT gonna go fiber ... for SURE they'd use it
> as an excuse to zap my legacy hardwire phone.
> Hardwire KEEPS WORKING even in storm and disaster
> while the cell towers DROP one by one .....
> 
> I'm, alas, OLD now ... DO need at least one
> really really solid communications channel.
> 
> Alas, in my current prob, ThunderBird does not
> seem able to tolerate even a momentary drop in
> the connection. Have to terminate, then restart
> when the lights go green again. 50% of my posts,
> well, have to SAVE them as drafts, kill the app,
> then restart and post the draft. Sometimes it
> does not remember ... crude copy is the backup,
> not so great.
> 
> This is TBird + GigaNews.
> 
> Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will
> increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection
> outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes.
> 
> SO many settings, across several menus. Just can't
> FIND what I want ... if it exists at all.
> 

Move to a first world country.

-- 
“But what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an 
hypothesis!”

Mary Wollstonecraft

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#83010

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-03-14 21:49 -0400
Message-ID<wtqdnRIuE6-3jSv0nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#82988
On 3/14/26 09:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 14/03/2026 07:38, c186282 wrote:
>> My AT&T "Internet Air" connection has slowly become
>> worse and worse. NEVER as fast as their 2nd-gen DSL
>> and NOW, many times a day (oddly late evenings)
>> the 5G router just randomly goes to all-yellow
>> blink mode. NOTHING on the net about it. No, it's
>> not 'updates' ... some kind of major signal drop/err.
>>
>> MAY have to go to an alt provider. Ugly for
>> a number of reasons, esp payments. Most
>> demand a bank routing number these days.
>> In the USA you have lots of protections
>> for credit card charges, but NONE for
>> direct-routing. I expect, have experienced,
>> evil in this respect.
>>
>> Cut 'em off ... endless letters about how
>> they are gonna RUIN your credit rating. That
>> goes back to CompuServe at least .......
>>
>> No, NOT gonna go fiber ... for SURE they'd use it
>> as an excuse to zap my legacy hardwire phone.
>> Hardwire KEEPS WORKING even in storm and disaster
>> while the cell towers DROP one by one .....
>>
>> I'm, alas, OLD now ... DO need at least one
>> really really solid communications channel.
>>
>> Alas, in my current prob, ThunderBird does not
>> seem able to tolerate even a momentary drop in
>> the connection. Have to terminate, then restart
>> when the lights go green again. 50% of my posts,
>> well, have to SAVE them as drafts, kill the app,
>> then restart and post the draft. Sometimes it
>> does not remember ... crude copy is the backup,
>> not so great.
>>
>> This is TBird + GigaNews.
>>
>> Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will
>> increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection
>> outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes.
>>
>> SO many settings, across several menus. Just can't
>> FIND what I want ... if it exists at all.
>>
> 
> Move to a first world country.


   There aren't any these days ... just various
   dot-versions of 2nd world  :-)

   DID try increasing a few timeouts ... not really
   any better alas.

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#82995

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-03-14 17:13 +0000
Message-ID<n1ljabF6u7vU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#82965
On Sat, 14 Mar 2026 03:38:37 -0400, c186282 wrote:

> Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will increase TBird's
> ability to tolerate short connection outages ? Might be seconds, might
> be minutes.

I use TBird for mail, not usenet, and it doesn't have a problem, nor does 
Pan for news. I have Verizon wireless and in the browser I sometimes see 
'your connection has been interrupted'.  I believe it's the Denver 
interface shuffling IPs rather than the 4G signal. 

It's a feature, not a bug. My external IP changes frequently and usually 
shows me in Denver, sometime SLC.

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#83005

From🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl>
Date2026-03-14 22:03 +0100
Message-ID<VI-cnf6dss2DUCj0nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#82965
W dniu 14.03.2026 o 08:38, c186282 pisze:
> This is TBird + GigaNews.
> 
> Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will
> increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection
> outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes.

I have TB + GigaNews also, and I have the same problem. For 100% this is 
not related to Internet connection. The problem is with TB or with 
GigaNews. I am unsure, because I upgrade TB from official Ubuntu repo to 
115.18.0 (64 bity) version, and switch to GigaNews in the same time. But 
I suspect that GigaNews is source of problem, because at the beginning I 
was unable even post any message. They suggest me to use 
news-central.giganews.com and I can post. But it seems that in few 
minutes TB can't load any message (without any visible error) and when I 
try to post message it blink on status bar "Connected with 
news-central.giganews.com", and then  return box message "server reject 
connection". So many times I have to write my message and close TB and 
open it again in order to post my message.

I don't know solution for this misbehaviour. GigaNews has 24/7 support, 
but I am not very skilled in English to fight for that, because it seems 
to require long email communication. If I will know well English I will 
try to clarify this issue with GigaNews, in spite I am not young either.

-- 
Jacek Marcin Jaworski,  Pruszcz Gd., woj. Pomorskie, Polska 🇵🇱, EU 🇪🇺;
tel.: +48-609-170-742,   najlepiej w godz.: 5:00-5:55 lub 16:00-17:25;
<jmj@energokod.gda.pl>, gpg: 4A541AA7A6E872318B85D7F6A651CC39244B0BFA;
Domowa s. WWW:                             <https://energokod.gda.pl>;
Mini Netykieta:         <https://energokod.gda.pl/MiniNetykieta.html>;
Mailowa Samoobrona:             <https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/pl>.

NIE ZACIĄGAJ UKRYTEGO DŁUGU!! PŁAĆ ZA PROGRAMY I USŁUGI INTERNETOWE!!!
CZYTAJ DARMOWY  "17. Raport Totaliztyczny - Patroni Kontra Bankierzy":
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#83011

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-03-15 02:09 +0000
Message-ID<n1minaFbclkU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#83005
On Sat, 14 Mar 2026 22:03:26 +0100, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

> I have TB + GigaNews also, and I have the same problem. For 100% this is
> not related to Internet connection. The problem is with TB or with
> GigaNews. I am unsure, because I upgrade TB from official Ubuntu repo to
> 115.18.0 (64 bity) version, and switch to GigaNews in the same time.

I've used news.individual.net for years. I use TB for email and used it 
for usenet too, but at some point the Ubuntu version had various problems 
including formatting issue and I switched to Pan with slrn on another 
machine as a backup.  

https://news.individual.net/

I wasn't aware of it but 'Discontinuation of the NetNews / Usenet service 
as of 30 September 2027'

The cartoon says 'FAREWELL, USENET!  THE ERA OF USENET IS OVER'

I'll worry about it next year. I'm not super fond of either but most of 
the technical stuff I'm interested in has moved to Reddit, Discord, and 
other forums.

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#83014

FromBobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
Date2026-03-14 19:23 -0700
Message-ID<10p556b$p74h$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#83011

On 3/14/26 19:09, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Mar 2026 22:03:26 +0100, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
> 
>> I have TB + GigaNews also, and I have the same problem. For 100% this is
>> not related to Internet connection. The problem is with TB or with
>> GigaNews. I am unsure, because I upgrade TB from official Ubuntu repo to
>> 115.18.0 (64 bity) version, and switch to GigaNews in the same time.
> 
> I've used news.individual.net for years. I use TB for email and used it
> for usenet too, but at some point the Ubuntu version had various problems
> including formatting issue and I switched to Pan with slrn on another
> machine as a backup.
> 
> https://news.individual.net/
> 
> I wasn't aware of it but 'Discontinuation of the NetNews / Usenet service
> as of 30 September 2027'
> 
> The cartoon says 'FAREWELL, USENET!  THE ERA OF USENET IS OVER'
> 
> I'll worry about it next year. I'm not super fond of either but most of
> the technical stuff I'm interested in has moved to Reddit, Discord, and
> other forums.
> 
	When I was younger and had money to spare I was a client of Individual 
news.net.
	They changed their way they billed and my cc was no longer acceptable
for reasons not entirely clear.  They were a very good service and I wish
they had not shut down or changed the payment method.

	bliss - the end of Usenet will come someday no doubt, but not yet...

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