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| First post | 2025-11-27 19:55 +0100 |
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Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 19:55 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-28 22:08 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-03 13:37 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:56 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:58 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 15:40 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-03 07:39 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-12-06 16:46 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-13 08:28 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-15 10:38 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-12-16 02:20 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 02:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 11:53 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 17:42 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-17 10:39 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 23:34 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:49 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-03 14:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-04 07:00 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-05 20:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-05 15:57 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-08 18:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 11:42 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 11:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-13 15:58 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:22 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-06 19:51 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-06 15:13 -0700
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-06 22:28 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 01:39 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 06:19 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-06 22:50 -0800
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-07 10:52 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-22 12:02 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:34 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 00:02 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 01:41 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-16 07:39 -0700
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 15:57 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 07:13 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-12-07 16:58 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 00:00 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 00:35 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:48 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-07 00:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 01:31 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 11:18 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:52 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-07 19:39 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:27 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-07 14:31 -0700
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 01:46 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 05:53 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 22:25 -0800
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:34 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:48 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 23:43 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 23:56 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-07 16:31 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:49 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-07 19:12 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:44 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 12:14 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:26 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 03:05 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:46 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:39 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-08 16:07 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:15 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:43 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:54 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 08:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 00:41 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-07 14:30 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 03:12 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 11:52 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:23 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-07 22:54 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 14:25 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:26 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-08 12:15 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-08 16:13 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:19 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 00:08 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 23:58 +0000
Greek origins of Christian scriptures [was Re: Recent history of vi] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-07 18:17 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 01:35 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:34 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:23 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 01:10 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-09 04:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-12-09 04:47 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 15:16 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 16:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-10 19:34 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-12-12 16:13 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-13 15:51 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-14 04:57 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 21:21 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-20 00:21 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 02:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:21 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-08 07:38 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 06:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 07:35 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:35 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:54 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:41 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-10 23:07 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 08:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-11 20:54 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:57 +0000
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-12 02:01 +0000
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 02:27 +0000
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 03:28 +0100
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 21:43 -0800
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 07:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-12 09:57 +0100
EU (was: Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-12 09:53 +0000
Re: EU (was: Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-12 11:51 +0100
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:54 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 19:26 +0000
Re: EU Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-13 12:01 +0100
Re: EU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-20 00:23 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:34 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 20:59 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 21:34 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 23:24 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-16 05:54 +0000
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-16 12:47 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:57 +0000
Re: EU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-17 13:27 +0100
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:05 -0500
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-17 07:34 -0500
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-16 12:42 -0500
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-16 18:14 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:55 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-16 20:05 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:30 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-16 23:15 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:49 +0000
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-17 07:32 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 18:53 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-16 05:54 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 08:06 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:33 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:02 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:09 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:18 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 03:03 -0500
Re: EU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 23:26 +0100
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 02:29 -0500
Re: EU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-18 17:28 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 00:32 -0500
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-19 10:47 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 19:30 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-19 20:01 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:03 +0000
Re: EU John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-19 14:08 -0800
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-19 22:33 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:12 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-20 20:45 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 03:41 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 01:00 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 07:06 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 02:21 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 19:06 +0000
Re: EU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-22 14:41 -0800
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:59 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 19:47 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 21:18 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-23 22:38 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 23:32 +0000
Re: EU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-24 10:24 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 12:36 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 23:27 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 23:40 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-24 07:02 +0000
Re: EU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-24 10:32 +0000
Re: EU Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-24 15:04 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-24 23:28 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:21 -0500
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Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 17:33 +0000
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Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 10:39 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 03:10 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-21 14:29 -0500
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Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 20:52 +0000
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Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 03:07 +0000
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Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 07:43 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:30 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-16 05:54 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:53 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-12 20:27 +0100
Yes,{, Prime} Minister (was: Re: Recent history of vi) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 23:27 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-13 15:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 22:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-15 15:44 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 01:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:22 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:18 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:45 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 10:14 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:02 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:13 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-17 13:59 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 07:06 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-10 23:06 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 19:38 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 02:03 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:41 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 07:09 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:49 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:14 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-07 22:56 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:18 +0000
Re: Unicode (was Re: Recent history of vi) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 00:32 +0000
Re: Unicode (was Re: Recent history of vi) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-14 23:32 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-15 10:52 +0100
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-05 01:59 +0000
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 10:14 +0000
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 10:35 +0000
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 12:05 +0100
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-13 21:21 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <10hlhhh$nvb5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79051 |
On 12/13/25 20:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2025-12-13, Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote: > >> On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 16:13:13 +0000 >> drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) wrote: >> >>>> The best part of usenet -- no gods and no masters. >>> >>> Oh how the Cabal have fallen. >> >> TINC (any more) > > The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled > was convincing the world he didn't exist. > -- The Usual Suspects > The greatest trick ever played was the priest convincing the people that the great sky god had intent. You know that to be a good Satanist (old style) you had to be a faithful Christian because otherwise the Black Mass and desecration of the communion wafers would be pointless. Since the devil never showed up when called upon except in the person of the Priest celebrating the Black Mass it provided plenty of evidence for lack of a specific Satan. "The Shadow Knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men." They all try to blame it on the Devil. bliss
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-20 00:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10i4q71$1ij4f$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79051 |
On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 04:57:19 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled > was convincing the world he didn't exist. > -- The Usual Suspects Funny how religious people keep saying this god is true, those others are false, yet they never argue over which devil is true and which other ones are false ... Tells you something about their core beliefs, doesn’t it ...
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-20 05:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mqmrscF2n74U6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79533 |
On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 00:21:54 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 04:57:19 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world >> he didn't exist. >> -- The Usual Suspects > > Funny how religious people keep saying this god is true, those others > are false, yet they never argue over which devil is true and which other > ones are false ... > > Tells you something about their core beliefs, doesn’t it ... Loki is the true devil. I like a system where the Gods have their own problems and the closest thing to a devil is a pain in the ass that's sometimes helpful.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 02:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mpms1hFm88sU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78439 |
On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 22:54:28 +0100, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > The bible was not written in Latin because that was the language of an > educated European, it was written in Latin because that was the language > the clergy (from the lowest monk to the pope) learned and spoke and it > conventiently was a language that most of the people didn't speak, so > they needed the clergy as "interpreters". One of the reasons why the > Church was so much after Martin Luther, because he enabled the common > people (yes, reading was still a limited distribution skill, but reading > the native language was far, far more common than understanding Latin) > to read "the word of God" themselves. Rather inconvient for the clergy > trying to remain gatekeepers ... Given the theological novelties Billie Joe Fuddrucker of the Church of Jesus Christ With Signs Following' can find, let alone Scofield, Darby, and Co come up with it would have been better written in Klingon. If you rewind far enough, the bible was translated to Greek since many Jews could no longer read Hebrew. It lost out in the competition at the Council of Trent but the Vetus Latina was one of many translations from the Septuagint rather than the Hebrew original. Jerome translated from Hebrew into Latin, creating the Vulgate, around 400. Luther tried to follow Erasmus' Greek version that had been patched together for several extant manuscripts but his Greek and Hebrew weren't all that great. The Textus Receptus followed the same path. Strangely, some references in the KJV can only be found in the Septuagint. Rapture me up, Jesus.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 08:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10h61qm$dbs$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78439 |
On 07/12/2025 21:54, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 07/12/2025 19:12, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: >>>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 16:31:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >>> >>>> Semi-apropos I was reading an essay by Herbert Spencer last night. He >>>> questioned the British educational system that taught Greek and Latin >>>> because that's what 'educated' people learned even though they had limited >>>> utility in later life. >>> >>> Latin is useful for several reasons; it helps make sense of english, for starters, >>> and it certainly helps when subsequently learning latin-derived (Romance) languages. >> >> The point about Latin and Greek is that all science mathematics, >> philosophy and the bible used to be written in it because it was that >> language of an educated European. > > The bible was not written in Latin because that was the language of an > educated European, it was written in Latin because that was the language > the clergy (from the lowest monk to the pope) learned and spoke i.e the language of the educated European... > and it > conventiently was a language that most of the people didn't speak, so > they needed the clergy as "interpreters". One of the reasons why the > Church was so much after Martin Luther, because he enabled the common > people (yes, reading was still a limited distribution skill, but reading > the native language was far, far more common than understanding Latin) > to read "the word of God" themselves. Rather inconvient for the clergy > trying to remain gatekeepers ... > Bit like the EU today isn't it? >> Today it tends to be English. > > Used to be German for a lot of engineering and science, especially > chemistry, but then some idiots started that WW1 nonsense. > >> As someone remarked 'It's hard to teach >> geology in Afrikaans' and I was unsuccessful in translating engineering >> terms into Zulu. > > I assume the biggest point was boot-strapping the concepts into a > language that didn't have much use for them before for historical > reasons? > Well that, and the absence of text books. >> My nephew is completely bi lingual. and I asked him whether he read Kant >> in the German. >> 'No' he said ' the English translations are clearer.' > > Eh, philosophers have a tendency to not be the clearest writers ... > > Kind regards, > Alex. -- Of what good are dead warriors? … Warriors are those who desire battle more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is that they are dead. Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners.
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| From | Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 07:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10h6ntd$6i4n$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78471 |
On 12/8/25 01:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 07/12/2025 21:54, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> On 07/12/2025 19:12, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: >>>>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 16:31:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >>>> >>>>> Semi-apropos I was reading an essay by Herbert Spencer last night. He >>>>> questioned the British educational system that taught Greek and Latin >>>>> because that's what 'educated' people learned even though they had >>>>> limited >>>>> utility in later life. >>>> >>>> Latin is useful for several reasons; it helps make sense of english, >>>> for starters, >>>> and it certainly helps when subsequently learning latin-derived >>>> (Romance) languages. >>> >>> The point about Latin and Greek is that all science mathematics, >>> philosophy and the bible used to be written in it because it was that >>> language of an educated European. >> >> The bible was not written in Latin because that was the language of an >> educated European, it was written in Latin because that was the language >> the clergy (from the lowest monk to the pope) learned and spoke > > i.e the language of the educated European... > As a genealogist, the abandonment of Latin was the worst thing that could have happened. We only needed a few words of one language to be able to interpret old documents from anywhere. Now I have to deal not only with English, but with German, Polish, Russian, French, etc. Add in the sloppy versions of various handwriting styles over the centuries and we have a royal mess.
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| From | Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-12 06:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mq1sqhFi5vbU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78500 |
On 2025-12-08, Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> wrote:
>
> As a genealogist, the abandonment of Latin was the worst thing that
> could have happened. We only needed a few words of one language to be
> able to interpret old documents from anywhere. Now I have to deal not
> only with English, but with German, Polish, Russian, French, etc. Add in
> the sloppy versions of various handwriting styles over the centuries and
> we have a royal mess.
Genealogists here in Sweden are fairly lucky. Census data used to be the
purview of the clergy, and most of them were pretty meticulous about it,
at least after a certain point (sometime in the 1700s).
I traced my family back to the 1700s along one line, but mostly I
couldn't get past the early 1800s. Through testing with 23andMe I also
managed to get my family back in touch with a branch that had emigrated
to the US back in the early 1900s.
Most of the matches you get on these DNA sites are weak and it's
hopeless to find where the human connection is. I was quite pleased to
encounter an exception to that.
Niklas
--
Hungarian Notation is the tactical nuclear weapon of source code obfuscation
techniques.
-- Roedy Green
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-12 07:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mq1uthFi5cdU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78876 |
On 12 Dec 2025 06:59:29 GMT, Niklas Karlsson wrote: > Most of the matches you get on these DNA sites are weak and it's > hopeless to find where the human connection is. I was quite pleased to > encounter an exception to that. 23AndMe did come up with a 2nd cousin but most of them seem very unlikely. My brother tried his hand at it but didn't have much luck. Germans might have been meticulous record keepers but carpet bombing took care of a lot of them.
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| From | Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 16:35 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10jds2o.1nl6b.als@frodo.angband.thangorodrim.de> |
| In reply to | #78471 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 07/12/2025 21:54, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 07/12/2025 19:12, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
>>>>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 16:31:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Semi-apropos I was reading an essay by Herbert Spencer last night. He
>>>>> questioned the British educational system that taught Greek and Latin
>>>>> because that's what 'educated' people learned even though they had limited
>>>>> utility in later life.
>>>>
>>>> Latin is useful for several reasons; it helps make sense of english, for starters,
>>>> and it certainly helps when subsequently learning latin-derived (Romance) languages.
>>>
>>> The point about Latin and Greek is that all science mathematics,
>>> philosophy and the bible used to be written in it because it was that
>>> language of an educated European.
>>
>> The bible was not written in Latin because that was the language of an
>> educated European, it was written in Latin because that was the language
>> the clergy (from the lowest monk to the pope) learned and spoke
>
> i.e the language of the educated European...
Well, there was a famous book about early artillery and black powder
when those technologies were somewhat newish in Europe and which contained
texts from many sources. The author only bothered to translate the arabic
and chinese sources, because a properly educated officer would of course
be able to read german, english, french, spanish, italian, greek, latin
and english (and I probably forgot one or two languages in the list).
>> and it
>> conventiently was a language that most of the people didn't speak, so
>> they needed the clergy as "interpreters". One of the reasons why the
>> Church was so much after Martin Luther, because he enabled the common
>> people (yes, reading was still a limited distribution skill, but reading
>> the native language was far, far more common than understanding Latin)
>> to read "the word of God" themselves. Rather inconvient for the clergy
>> trying to remain gatekeepers ...
>>
> Bit like the EU today isn't it?
Not at all. Official EU documents are translated into all the official
languages of the EU nations by qualified translators so that the legal
intent remains preserved. One of the reasons why machine translations
between EU languages are so good is that this corpus serves as really
good training material for those systems.
Kind regards,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-10 13:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <p57o0mxoob.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #78503 |
On 2025-12-08 16:35, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 07/12/2025 21:54, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> On 07/12/2025 19:12, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: >>>>>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 16:31:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Semi-apropos I was reading an essay by Herbert Spencer last night. He >>>>>> questioned the British educational system that taught Greek and Latin >>>>>> because that's what 'educated' people learned even though they had limited >>>>>> utility in later life. >>>>> >>>>> Latin is useful for several reasons; it helps make sense of english, for starters, >>>>> and it certainly helps when subsequently learning latin-derived (Romance) languages. >>>> >>>> The point about Latin and Greek is that all science mathematics, >>>> philosophy and the bible used to be written in it because it was that >>>> language of an educated European. >>> >>> The bible was not written in Latin because that was the language of an >>> educated European, it was written in Latin because that was the language >>> the clergy (from the lowest monk to the pope) learned and spoke >> >> i.e the language of the educated European... > > Well, there was a famous book about early artillery and black powder > when those technologies were somewhat newish in Europe and which contained > texts from many sources. The author only bothered to translate the arabic > and chinese sources, because a properly educated officer would of course > be able to read german, english, french, spanish, italian, greek, latin > and english (and I probably forgot one or two languages in the list). Wow. > >>> and it >>> conventiently was a language that most of the people didn't speak, so >>> they needed the clergy as "interpreters". One of the reasons why the >>> Church was so much after Martin Luther, because he enabled the common >>> people (yes, reading was still a limited distribution skill, but reading >>> the native language was far, far more common than understanding Latin) >>> to read "the word of God" themselves. Rather inconvient for the clergy >>> trying to remain gatekeepers ... >>> >> Bit like the EU today isn't it? > > Not at all. Official EU documents are translated into all the official > languages of the EU nations by qualified translators so that the legal > intent remains preserved. One of the reasons why machine translations > between EU languages are so good is that this corpus serves as really > good training material for those systems. What machine translator are they using? -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-10 13:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10hbtai$1heop$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78689 |
On 10/12/2025 12:54, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-12-08 16:35, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> Bit like the EU today isn't it? >> >> Not at all. Official EU documents are translated into all the official >> languages of the EU nations by qualified translators so that the legal >> intent remains preserved. One of the reasons why machine translations >> between EU languages are so good is that this corpus serves as really >> good training material for those systems. > > What machine translator are they using? > > My sister made a very good living out of translating Spanish, Greek English, German, Italian and French documents one to another for IIRC NATO, but the EU is the same. As we say 'Costa Packet' All paid for by the good citizens . -- "Corbyn talks about equality, justice, opportunity, health care, peace, community, compassion, investment, security, housing...." "What kind of person is not interested in those things?" "Jeremy Corbyn?"
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| From | Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> |
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| Date | 2025-12-10 23:07 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10jjrpo.29mh4.als@mordor.angband.thangorodrim.de> |
| In reply to | #78696 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 10/12/2025 12:54, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-12-08 16:35, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>> Bit like the EU today isn't it?
>>>
>>> Not at all. Official EU documents are translated into all the official
>>> languages of the EU nations by qualified translators so that the legal
>>> intent remains preserved. One of the reasons why machine translations
>>> between EU languages are so good is that this corpus serves as really
>>> good training material for those systems.
>>
>> What machine translator are they using?
>>
>>
> My sister made a very good living out of translating Spanish, Greek
> English, German, Italian and French documents one to another for IIRC
> NATO, but the EU is the same.
>
> As we say 'Costa Packet'
>
> All paid for by the good citizens .
Well, the alternative would be to declare one language as the officially
binding one and if that is not your language, too bad. Not going to
happen for obvious reasons, though.
Kind regards,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-11 08:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10he0oj$237cl$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78723 |
On 10/12/2025 22:07, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
> Well, the alternative would be to declare one language as the officially
> binding one and if that is not your language, too bad. Not going to
> happen for obvious reasons, though.
The alternative would be to not *impose* 'harmonised' legislation on 27
different countries with different cultures, economies, geographies and
climates.
--
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that
the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."
- Bertrand Russell
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| From | John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-11 20:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10hfb1t$1nip$1@gal.iecc.com> |
| In reply to | #78763 |
According to The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>: >On 10/12/2025 22:07, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >> Well, the alternative would be to declare one language as the officially >> binding one and if that is not your language, too bad. Not going to >> happen for obvious reasons, though. > >The alternative would be to not *impose* 'harmonised' legislation on 27 >different countries with different cultures, economies, geographies and >climates. I dunno, it worked in China. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-11 20:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10hfb79$2fut8$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78830 |
On 11/12/2025 20:54, John Levine wrote: > According to The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>: >> On 10/12/2025 22:07, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >>> Well, the alternative would be to declare one language as the officially >>> binding one and if that is not your language, too bad. Not going to >>> happen for obvious reasons, though. >> >> The alternative would be to not *impose* 'harmonised' legislation on 27 >> different countries with different cultures, economies, geographies and >> climates. > > I dunno, it worked in China. > You call that working? -- Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.
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| From | John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-12 02:01 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <10hft10$1bbn$1@gal.iecc.com> |
| In reply to | #78831 |
According to The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>: >On 11/12/2025 20:54, John Levine wrote: >> According to The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>: >>> On 10/12/2025 22:07, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >>>> Well, the alternative would be to declare one language as the officially >>>> binding one and if that is not your language, too bad. Not going to >>>> happen for obvious reasons, though. >>> >>> The alternative would be to not *impose* 'harmonised' legislation on 27 >>> different countries with different cultures, economies, geographies and >>> climates. >> >> I dunno, it worked in China. >> >You call that working? In 1955, China's GDP per capita was $58. Last year it was over $13,000. That's certainly not all due to the common language but it helped establish a single economy where people could move to where the jobs are. I realize China has plenty of other issues but its economic development in the past half century is astonishing, particularly in view of how big it is. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-12 02:27 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <mq1csjFfne1U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78856 |
On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 02:01:04 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote: > In 1955, China's GDP per capita was $58. Last year it was over $13,000. > That's certainly not all due to the common language but it helped > establish a single economy where people could move to where the jobs > are. > > I realize China has plenty of other issues but its economic development > in the past half century is astonishing, particularly in view of how big > it is. It doesn't hurt that 91% of the population is Han.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-12 03:28 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <q6bs0mxutr.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #78856 |
On 2025-12-12 03:01, John Levine wrote: > According to The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>: >> On 11/12/2025 20:54, John Levine wrote: >>> According to The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>: >>>> On 10/12/2025 22:07, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >>>>> Well, the alternative would be to declare one language as the officially >>>>> binding one and if that is not your language, too bad. Not going to >>>>> happen for obvious reasons, though. >>>> >>>> The alternative would be to not *impose* 'harmonised' legislation on 27 >>>> different countries with different cultures, economies, geographies and >>>> climates. >>> >>> I dunno, it worked in China. >>> >> You call that working? > > In 1955, China's GDP per capita was $58. Last year it was over $13,000. > That's certainly not all due to the common language but it helped establish > a single economy where people could move to where the jobs are. > > I realize China has plenty of other issues but its economic development > in the past half century is astonishing, particularly in view of how big > it is. Indeed it is. Currently it is the most successful country in the world. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-11 21:43 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <10hga1c$2n91j$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78856 |
On 12/11/25 18:01, John Levine wrote: > According to The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>: >> On 11/12/2025 20:54, John Levine wrote: >>> According to The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>: >>>> On 10/12/2025 22:07, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >>>>> Well, the alternative would be to declare one language as the officially >>>>> binding one and if that is not your language, too bad. Not going to >>>>> happen for obvious reasons, though. >>>> >>>> The alternative would be to not *impose* 'harmonised' legislation on 27 >>>> different countries with different cultures, economies, geographies and >>>> climates. >>> >>> I dunno, it worked in China. >>> >> You call that working? > > In 1955, China's GDP per capita was $58. Last year it was over $13,000. > That's certainly not all due to the common language but it helped establish > a single economy where people could move to where the jobs are. > > I realize China has plenty of other issues but its economic development > in the past half century is astonishing, particularly in view of how big > it is. China has had a common written or drawn language for thousands of years which permitted the existence of the Chinese Empire. The changes since the Communist aka Red Army take-over have been refinements and some conformity imposed on the spoken language. Most of those refinements have been to the transliteration into other alphabets such as the Latin alphabet. bliss
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-12 07:25 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <mq1uc6Fi5cdU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78872 |
On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 21:43:06 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > China has had a common written or drawn language for thousands of years > which permitted the existence of the Chinese Empire. The changes since > the Communist aka Red Army take-over have been refinements and some > conformity imposed on the spoken language. Most of those refinements > have been to the transliteration into other alphabets such as the Latin > alphabet. They do have Cantonese. Lucy Liu, who had learned Mandarin as a kid, remarked that learning enough Cantonese for a movie she was making was difficult. For the most part China puts the 'diversity is strength' dogma into question.
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