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| First post | 2025-11-27 19:55 +0100 |
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Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 19:55 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-28 22:08 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-03 13:37 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:56 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:58 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 15:40 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-03 07:39 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-12-06 16:46 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-13 08:28 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-15 10:38 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-12-16 02:20 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 02:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 11:53 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 17:42 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-17 10:39 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 23:34 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:49 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-03 14:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-04 07:00 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-05 20:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-05 15:57 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-08 18:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 11:42 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 11:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-13 15:58 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:22 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-06 19:51 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-06 15:13 -0700
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-06 22:28 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 01:39 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 06:19 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-06 22:50 -0800
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-07 10:52 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-22 12:02 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:34 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 00:02 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 01:41 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-16 07:39 -0700
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 15:57 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 07:13 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-12-07 16:58 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 00:00 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 00:35 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:48 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-07 00:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 01:31 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 11:18 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:52 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-07 19:39 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:27 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-07 14:31 -0700
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 01:46 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 05:53 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 22:25 -0800
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:34 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:48 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 23:43 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 23:56 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-07 16:31 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:49 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-07 19:12 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:44 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 12:14 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:26 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 03:05 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:46 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:39 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-08 16:07 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:15 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:43 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:54 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 08:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 00:41 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-07 14:30 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 03:12 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 11:52 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:23 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-07 22:54 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 14:25 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:26 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-08 12:15 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-08 16:13 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:19 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 00:08 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 23:58 +0000
Greek origins of Christian scriptures [was Re: Recent history of vi] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-07 18:17 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 01:35 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:34 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:23 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 01:10 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-09 04:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-12-09 04:47 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 15:16 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 16:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-10 19:34 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-12-12 16:13 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-13 15:51 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-14 04:57 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 21:21 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-20 00:21 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 02:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:21 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-08 07:38 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 06:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 07:35 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:35 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:54 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:41 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-10 23:07 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 08:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-11 20:54 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:57 +0000
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-12 02:01 +0000
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 02:27 +0000
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 03:28 +0100
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 21:43 -0800
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 07:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-12 09:57 +0100
EU (was: Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-12 09:53 +0000
Re: EU (was: Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-12 11:51 +0100
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:54 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 19:26 +0000
Re: EU Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-13 12:01 +0100
Re: EU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-20 00:23 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:34 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 20:59 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 21:34 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 23:24 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-16 05:54 +0000
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-16 12:47 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:57 +0000
Re: EU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-17 13:27 +0100
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:05 -0500
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-17 07:34 -0500
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-16 12:42 -0500
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-16 18:14 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:55 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-16 20:05 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:30 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-16 23:15 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:49 +0000
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-17 07:32 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 18:53 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-16 05:54 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 08:06 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:33 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:02 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:09 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:18 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 03:03 -0500
Re: EU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 23:26 +0100
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 02:29 -0500
Re: EU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-18 17:28 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 00:32 -0500
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-19 10:47 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 19:30 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-19 20:01 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:03 +0000
Re: EU John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-19 14:08 -0800
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-19 22:33 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:12 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-20 20:45 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 03:41 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 01:00 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 07:06 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 02:21 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 19:06 +0000
Re: EU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-22 14:41 -0800
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:59 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 19:47 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 21:18 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-23 22:38 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 23:32 +0000
Re: EU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-24 10:24 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 12:36 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 23:27 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 23:40 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-24 07:02 +0000
Re: EU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-24 10:32 +0000
Re: EU Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-24 15:04 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-24 23:28 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:21 -0500
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Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 17:33 +0000
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Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 10:39 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 03:10 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-21 14:29 -0500
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Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 20:52 +0000
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Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 03:07 +0000
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Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 07:43 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:30 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-16 05:54 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:53 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-12 20:27 +0100
Yes,{, Prime} Minister (was: Re: Recent history of vi) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 23:27 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-13 15:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 22:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-15 15:44 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 01:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:22 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:18 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:45 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 10:14 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:02 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:13 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-17 13:59 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 07:06 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-10 23:06 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 19:38 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 02:03 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:41 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 07:09 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:49 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:14 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-07 22:56 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:18 +0000
Re: Unicode (was Re: Recent history of vi) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 00:32 +0000
Re: Unicode (was Re: Recent history of vi) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-14 23:32 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-15 10:52 +0100
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-05 01:59 +0000
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 10:14 +0000
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 10:35 +0000
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 12:05 +0100
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2025-12-07 19:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <IkkZQ.697$k6W8.76@fx34.iad> |
| In reply to | #78408 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: >On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 16:31:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >Semi-apropos I was reading an essay by Herbert Spencer last night. He >questioned the British educational system that taught Greek and Latin >because that's what 'educated' people learned even though they had limited >utility in later life. Latin is useful for several reasons; it helps make sense of english, for starters, and it certainly helps when subsequently learning latin-derived (Romance) languages.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-07 19:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mpm3o1Fil5pU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78418 |
On Sun, 07 Dec 2025 19:12:40 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote: > rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: >>On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 16:31:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > >>Semi-apropos I was reading an essay by Herbert Spencer last night. He >>questioned the British educational system that taught Greek and Latin >>because that's what 'educated' people learned even though they had >>limited utility in later life. > > Latin is useful for several reasons; it helps make sense of english, for > starters, and it certainly helps when subsequently learning > latin-derived (Romance) languages. Nothing can make sense of English :) I'm glad I'm a native speaker. Latin does help a bit with Spanish. French is sui generis. I doubt Latin is taught in high school anymore, even in parochial schools. We used to argue about pronunciation with the kids from Catholic High. Anyway, that was the program for college entrance students -- two years of Latin followed by two of a modern language, German for STEM types, French for liberal arts. The shop/business kids took Spanish. All in all fluency in Spanish would have been more useful in my life.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-07 12:14 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <10h4n6u$3n7t4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78422 |
On 12/7/25 11:44, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 07 Dec 2025 19:12:40 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote: > >> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: >>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 16:31:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >> >>> Semi-apropos I was reading an essay by Herbert Spencer last night. He >>> questioned the British educational system that taught Greek and Latin >>> because that's what 'educated' people learned even though they had >>> limited utility in later life. >> >> Latin is useful for several reasons; it helps make sense of english, for >> starters, and it certainly helps when subsequently learning >> latin-derived (Romance) languages. > > Nothing can make sense of English :) I'm glad I'm a native speaker. Latin > does help a bit with Spanish. French is sui generis. > > I doubt Latin is taught in high school anymore, even in parochial schools. > We used to argue about pronunciation with the kids from Catholic High. > Anyway, that was the program for college entrance students -- two years of > Latin followed by two of a modern language, German for STEM types, French > for liberal arts. The shop/business kids took Spanish. All in all fluency > in Spanish would have been more useful in my life. > It is hard to penetrate the circulum of the RC HS but I finally found a reference to the fact that it is still taught. It is a necessity for the priesthood of course and Greek might be better studied. But it is available for grade 1 onward in some schools and for home study. PDFs of all sorts are available for home study and home schooling. Memoria Press <https://www.memoriapress.com › latin> Seek and you shall find via DuckDuckGo. bliss
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-07 20:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10h4nug$3n4no$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78422 |
On 07/12/2025 19:44, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 07 Dec 2025 19:12:40 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote: > >> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: >>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 16:31:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >> >>> Semi-apropos I was reading an essay by Herbert Spencer last night. He >>> questioned the British educational system that taught Greek and Latin >>> because that's what 'educated' people learned even though they had >>> limited utility in later life. >> >> Latin is useful for several reasons; it helps make sense of english, for >> starters, and it certainly helps when subsequently learning >> latin-derived (Romance) languages. > > Nothing can make sense of English :) I'm glad I'm a native speaker. Latin > does help a bit with Spanish. French is sui generis. > > I doubt Latin is taught in high school anymore, even in parochial schools. It is in indian schools. Probably teach the best English of all > We used to argue about pronunciation with the kids from Catholic High. > Anyway, that was the program for college entrance students -- two years of > Latin followed by two of a modern language, German for STEM types, French > for liberal arts. The shop/business kids took Spanish. All in all fluency > in Spanish would have been more useful in my life. > I like Spanish. It looks easier to learn than German. I did French to O level. Closets to English is Frisian, then Platte Deutsch -- "Nature does not give up the winter because people dislike the cold." ― Confucius
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 03:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mpmtkeFn2fsU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78430 |
On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 20:26:56 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > I like Spanish. It looks easier to learn than German. I did French to O > level. Like German Spanish has a limited number of pronunciation rules so you can often suss out an unknown word. French seems to elide a lot of characters. With English words I'm not sure about I go with the German pronunciation. Works well unless there is an 'e' and 'i' involved.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 08:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10h639d$r4s$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78454 |
On 08/12/2025 03:05, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 20:26:56 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> I like Spanish. It looks easier to learn than German. I did French to O >> level. > > Like German Spanish has a limited number of pronunciation rules so you can > often suss out an unknown word. French seems to elide a lot of characters. > > With English words I'm not sure about I go with the German pronunciation. > Works well unless there is an 'e' and 'i' involved. England, being a trading and maritime nation above all else is massively comprised of 'foreign' words. And Celtic constructs, and all and all? And importation of Dutch typesetters who knew little English, made spelling in the first 'bookes' a bit suspect. Also they lisped as much as the Spanish back in the day and ff was equated to 'ss' Fucking mongrel language, but ubiquitous. -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. -- Yogi Berra
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| From | Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 16:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10jds93.1nl6b.als@frodo.angband.thangorodrim.de> |
| In reply to | #78478 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 08/12/2025 03:05, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 20:26:56 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> I like Spanish. It looks easier to learn than German. I did French to O
>>> level.
>>
>> Like German Spanish has a limited number of pronunciation rules so you can
>> often suss out an unknown word. French seems to elide a lot of characters.
>>
>> With English words I'm not sure about I go with the German pronunciation.
>> Works well unless there is an 'e' and 'i' involved.
>
> England, being a trading and maritime nation above all else is massively
> comprised of 'foreign' words.
As James Nicoll put it:
"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English
is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion,
English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and
rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."
> Fucking mongrel language, but ubiquitous.
It is what it is ...
Kind regards,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
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| From | Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 16:07 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mddbjk8of7g.fsf@panix5.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #78478 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
> Also they lisped as much as the Spanish back in the day and ff was equated to
> 'ss'
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrongity-wrong-wrong.
The so-called "long s" may, but need not, have a serif on the left hand side of
the midpoint of the vertical.
The "f" must have a crossbar at the midpoint of the vertical.
They are not, and at the time they were in use were never confused as,
identical to each other.
In point of fact, most grade school classrooms (from 3rd grade on) when I was a
child had a frieze displaying the cursive alphabet above the black/chalkboards.
In addition to the variants of "t" and "r", there were two ways to write
non-capital "s", the little short squiggle and one that resembled the
non-capital "f" except that the loop below the line came up from the left
rather than from the right. We were expected to use that in the interiors of
words in penmanship practice.
So it wasn't that long ago.
--
Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
--Galen
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-10 13:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <gs4o0mxdhs.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #78515 |
On 2025-12-08 22:07, Rich Alderson wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: > >> Also they lisped as much as the Spanish back in the day and ff was equated to >> 'ss' > > Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrongity-wrong-wrong. > > The so-called "long s" may, but need not, have a serif on the left hand side of > the midpoint of the vertical. > > The "f" must have a crossbar at the midpoint of the vertical. > > They are not, and at the time they were in use were never confused as, > identical to each other. > > In point of fact, most grade school classrooms (from 3rd grade on) when I was a > child had a frieze displaying the cursive alphabet above the black/chalkboards. > In addition to the variants of "t" and "r", there were two ways to write > non-capital "s", the little short squiggle and one that resembled the > non-capital "f" except that the loop below the line came up from the left > rather than from the right. We were expected to use that in the interiors of > words in penmanship practice. > > So it wasn't that long ago. > Interesting. Bur fortunately for those of us who learned English as a second language, all that is gone :-) Otherwise, English would not be that successful as an international exchange language, methinks. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-10 13:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10hbtd7$1heop$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78686 |
On 10/12/2025 12:15, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-12-08 22:07, Rich Alderson wrote: >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: >> >>> Also they lisped as much as the Spanish back in the day and ff was >>> equated to >>> 'ss' >> >> Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrongity-wrong-wrong. >> >> The so-called "long s" may, but need not, have a serif on the left >> hand side of >> the midpoint of the vertical. >> >> The "f" must have a crossbar at the midpoint of the vertical. >> >> They are not, and at the time they were in use were never confused as, >> identical to each other. >> >> In point of fact, most grade school classrooms (from 3rd grade on) >> when I was a >> child had a frieze displaying the cursive alphabet above the >> black/chalkboards. >> In addition to the variants of "t" and "r", there were two ways to write >> non-capital "s", the little short squiggle and one that resembled the >> non-capital "f" except that the loop below the line came up from the left >> rather than from the right. We were expected to use that in the >> interiors of >> words in penmanship practice. >> >> So it wasn't that long ago. >> > > Interesting. > > Bur fortunately for those of us who learned English as a second > language, all that is gone :-) > > Otherwise, English would not be that successful as an international > exchange language, methinks. > > That is why they stripped out nearly all the thngs like œ and æ and ß -- Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-11 02:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mpuq2fF25b1U7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78697 |
On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 13:43:03 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > That is why they stripped out nearly all the thngs like œ and æ and ß Except in history. I was never good at memorizing names but there was a stretch when the kings and queens were all Æthel something or other.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-11 08:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10he0tt$237cl$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78735 |
On 11/12/2025 02:54, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 13:43:03 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> That is why they stripped out nearly all the thngs like œ and æ and ß
>
> Except in history. I was never good at memorizing names but there was a
> stretch when the kings and queens were all Æthel something or other.
Ah yes. Æthelred the Unready etc. And of course King Cnut, he of the
unfortunate anagram,,
Not to mention the Welsh king Llewellyn.
--
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that
the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."
- Bertrand Russell
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-15 00:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10hnlfl$1hel9$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78478 |
On Mon, 8 Dec 2025 08:46:37 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Also they lisped as much as the Spanish back in the day and ff was > equated to 'ss' No it wasn’t. The non-terminal form of “s” looked like “f” without the full cross-stroke. That did not make it any less “s”. Look at the EB Garamond example here <https://www.deviantart.com/default-cube/art/Font-Features-626399449>.
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| From | Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-07 14:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10h4rle$3obe8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78422 |
On 12/7/25 12:44, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 07 Dec 2025 19:12:40 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote: > >> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: >>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 16:31:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >> >>> Semi-apropos I was reading an essay by Herbert Spencer last night. He >>> questioned the British educational system that taught Greek and Latin >>> because that's what 'educated' people learned even though they had >>> limited utility in later life. >> >> Latin is useful for several reasons; it helps make sense of english, for >> starters, and it certainly helps when subsequently learning >> latin-derived (Romance) languages. > > Nothing can make sense of English :) I'm glad I'm a native speaker. Latin > does help a bit with Spanish. French is sui generis. > > I doubt Latin is taught in high school anymore, even in parochial schools. My high school still teaches it, but it's apparently an elective and not a requirement now. They used to teach Greek, too. > We used to argue about pronunciation with the kids from Catholic High. > Anyway, that was the program for college entrance students -- two years of > Latin followed by two of a modern language, German for STEM types, French > for liberal arts. The shop/business kids took Spanish. All in all fluency > in Spanish would have been more useful in my life. >
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 03:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mpmu1nFn2fsU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78434 |
On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 14:30:22 -0700, Peter Flass wrote: > My high school still teaches it, but it's apparently an elective and not > a requirement now. They used to teach Greek, too. Greek wasn't an option but I sometimes wish I had at least a semester to learn the alphabet. Alternately, people could stop being so erudite and using the Greek character set for well known words. I'm reading a Dostoevsky novel which is salted with the French phrases the intelligentsia liked to throw around in that period. The translator felt his task was translating Russian so when Ivanov Petrushovitch chatters on in French I have no clue.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-07 11:52 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <10h4lu0$3mom9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78418 |
On 12/7/25 11:12, Scott Lurndal wrote: > rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: >> On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 16:31:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > >> Semi-apropos I was reading an essay by Herbert Spencer last night. He >> questioned the British educational system that taught Greek and Latin >> because that's what 'educated' people learned even though they had limited >> utility in later life. > > Latin is useful for several reasons; it helps make sense of english, for starters, > and it certainly helps when subsequently learning latin-derived (Romance) languages. Actually it confuses people who do not have a large English language vocabulary and are able to recognise Latin roots. Latin is a dead language which makes it useful for matters relating to religious dogma and scientific nomenclature. It never helped anyone to learn English following Latin and its rules are not handy for English which steals any useful word from any other language and is able to make sense with dangling participles. I can follow the rules imported from Latin to a certain degree but it is not how the language is spoken at least in the USA. 70 years from HS where that was important. bliss
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-07 20:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10h4noh$3n4no$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78418 |
On 07/12/2025 19:12, Scott Lurndal wrote: > rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: >> On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 16:31:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > >> Semi-apropos I was reading an essay by Herbert Spencer last night. He >> questioned the British educational system that taught Greek and Latin >> because that's what 'educated' people learned even though they had limited >> utility in later life. > > Latin is useful for several reasons; it helps make sense of english, for starters, > and it certainly helps when subsequently learning latin-derived (Romance) languages. The point about Latin and Greek is that all science mathematics, philosophy and the bible used to be written in it because it was that language of an educated European. Today it tends to be English. As someone remarked 'It's hard to teach geology in Afrikaans' and I was unsuccessful in translating engineering terms into Zulu. Its so easy to moan about cultural chauvinism. And say 'we ought to speak Welsh' But its hare to do that when the only way to say 'pump up your tyres' is to say 'put wind in your wheels' English happens to just be there, So does spanish. And mandarin. My nephew is completely bi lingual. and I asked him whether he read Kant in the German. 'No' he said ' the English translations are clearer.' -- "It was a lot more fun being 20 in the 70's that it is being 70 in the 20's" Joew Walsh
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| From | Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> |
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| Date | 2025-12-07 22:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10jbtsk.1c8f5.als@mordor.angband.thangorodrim.de> |
| In reply to | #78429 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 07/12/2025 19:12, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
>>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 16:31:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
>>
>>> Semi-apropos I was reading an essay by Herbert Spencer last night. He
>>> questioned the British educational system that taught Greek and Latin
>>> because that's what 'educated' people learned even though they had limited
>>> utility in later life.
>>
>> Latin is useful for several reasons; it helps make sense of english, for starters,
>> and it certainly helps when subsequently learning latin-derived (Romance) languages.
>
> The point about Latin and Greek is that all science mathematics,
> philosophy and the bible used to be written in it because it was that
> language of an educated European.
The bible was not written in Latin because that was the language of an
educated European, it was written in Latin because that was the language
the clergy (from the lowest monk to the pope) learned and spoke and it
conventiently was a language that most of the people didn't speak, so
they needed the clergy as "interpreters". One of the reasons why the
Church was so much after Martin Luther, because he enabled the common
people (yes, reading was still a limited distribution skill, but reading
the native language was far, far more common than understanding Latin)
to read "the word of God" themselves. Rather inconvient for the clergy
trying to remain gatekeepers ...
> Today it tends to be English.
Used to be German for a lot of engineering and science, especially
chemistry, but then some idiots started that WW1 nonsense.
> As someone remarked 'It's hard to teach
> geology in Afrikaans' and I was unsuccessful in translating engineering
> terms into Zulu.
I assume the biggest point was boot-strapping the concepts into a
language that didn't have much use for them before for historical
reasons?
> My nephew is completely bi lingual. and I asked him whether he read Kant
> in the German.
> 'No' he said ' the English translations are clearer.'
Eh, philosophers have a tendency to not be the clearest writers ...
Kind regards,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-07 14:25 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <10h4usa$3pcqn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78439 |
On 12/7/25 13:54, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 07/12/2025 19:12, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: >>>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 16:31:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >>> >>>> Semi-apropos I was reading an essay by Herbert Spencer last night. He >>>> questioned the British educational system that taught Greek and Latin >>>> because that's what 'educated' people learned even though they had limited >>>> utility in later life. >>> >>> Latin is useful for several reasons; it helps make sense of english, for starters, >>> and it certainly helps when subsequently learning latin-derived (Romance) languages. >> >> The point about Latin and Greek is that all science mathematics, >> philosophy and the bible used to be written in it because it was that >> language of an educated European. > > The bible was not written in Latin because that was the language of an > educated European, it was written in Latin because that was the language > the clergy (from the lowest monk to the pope) learned and spoke and it > conventiently was a language that most of the people didn't speak, so > they needed the clergy as "interpreters". One of the reasons why the > Church was so much after Martin Luther, because he enabled the common > people (yes, reading was still a limited distribution skill, but reading > the native language was far, far more common than understanding Latin) > to read "the word of God" themselves. Rather inconvient for the clergy > trying to remain gatekeepers ... Actually the stories in the Bible were originally recounted in Aramic which was then translated to Greek. Thus the confusion of virgin as sexually inexperienced with virgin which was an independent unmarried woman. Oh translators have a lot to answer for. > >> Today it tends to be English. > > Used to be German for a lot of engineering and science, especially > chemistry, but then some idiots started that WW1 nonsense. > >> As someone remarked 'It's hard to teach >> geology in Afrikaans' and I was unsuccessful in translating engineering >> terms into Zulu. > > I assume the biggest point was boot-strapping the concepts into a > language that didn't have much use for them before for historical > reasons? > >> My nephew is completely bi lingual. and I asked him whether he read Kant >> in the German. >> 'No' he said ' the English translations are clearer.' > > Eh, philosophers have a tendency to not be the clearest writers ... You don't say. No wonder i had problems with Wittginstein. ;^) > > Kind regards, > Alex. Best wishes, bliss
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 08:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10h621o$dbs$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78441 |
On 07/12/2025 22:25, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >> >> Eh, philosophers have a tendency to not be the clearest writers ... > > You don't say. No wonder i had problems with Wittginstein. ;^) Wittgenstein is a bit of a wanker. German philosophers went down hill after Schopenhauer. I mean Nietzsche? Marx? Look at the trouble *they* caused... -- To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote.
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