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Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?

Started byAnssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi>
First post2025-10-07 16:07 +0300
Last post2025-10-12 12:10 +0100
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  Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-10-07 16:07 +0300
    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-07 14:39 +0100
    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-07 22:52 +0000
    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:35 -0400
      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 10:53 +0200
        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-08 21:06 +0000
          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:25 +0200
            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:45 +0000
              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:41 -0400
                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:21 +0200
                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-10 13:21 +0000
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:15 +0200
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:53 +0000
                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:46 -0400
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:38 -0400
        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:09 -0400
          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-09 18:52 +0000
            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:33 -0400
              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-11 15:10 +0000
                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-11 17:48 +0000
                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-11 19:01 +0000
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:08 +0000
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:32 +0000
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:29 -0400
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-12 11:07 +0000
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-13 09:06 -0700
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-18 16:24 +0000
                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-18 21:02 +0000
                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-19 01:36 +0000
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 13:39 +0200
                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-20 02:10 +0000
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 05:36 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:33 -0400
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:31 -0400
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 19:21 +0000
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-19 12:17 +0000
                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 02:22 +0000
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:28 -0400
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:19 +0100
                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 09:20 -0700
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-25 12:49 +0000
                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-25 16:45 +0100
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-25 22:16 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 01:51 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-26 04:40 +0000
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 08:42 +0000
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 09:11 +0000
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 10:06 +0000
                                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:25 +0000
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 19:48 +0100
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 21:29 +0000
                                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 00:44 +0100
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 00:57 -0400
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 07:14 +0000
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 11:05 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 02:00 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 11:02 +0000
                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-25 22:03 +0000
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-25 21:19 -0400
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 01:50 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-26 04:40 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 14:52 +0100
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:06 +0000
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 20:29 +0100
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 21:22 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 22:17 -0400
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:09 +0100
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:23 +0000
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 00:47 +0100
                                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 00:27 +0000
                                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
                                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:05 +0000
                                              Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:46 +0100
                                                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 18:47 +0000
                                                  Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 20:21 +0000
                                                    Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:46 +0100
                                                    Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-29 01:41 +0000
                                                      Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:07 +0000
                                                      Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-29 18:47 +0000
                                                        Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 22:15 +0000
                                                        Re: Accents. Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2025-10-30 17:29 +0000
                                                          Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 17:31 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-30 19:31 +0000
                                                              Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:14 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:11 +0000
                                                          Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:10 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:35 +0100
                                                              Re: Accents. candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-30 21:40 +0000
                                                              Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 15:18 -0700
                                                                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:17 +0000
                                                                  Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 21:46 -0700
                                                                    Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:25 +0000
                                                                      LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:38 +0100
                                                                        Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-01 20:50 -0400
                                                                          Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:14 +0000
                                                                          Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:41 +0100
                                                                          Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:57 +0000
                                                                            Re: LED lights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-03 00:12 +0000
                                                                              Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 02:38 +0100
                                                                                Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 00:19 -0500
                                                                                  Re: LED lights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-03 07:03 +0000
                                                                                    Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 14:20 -0500
                                                                                      Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 20:02 +0000
                                                                                        Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 04:42 +0000
                                                                                          Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:31 -0500
                                                                                Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:16 +0000
                                                                        Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 01:51 +0000
                                                                          Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:48 +0100
                                                                            Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:42 +0000
                                                                              Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 21:33 +0100
                                                              Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:21 +0000
                                                              Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 04:59 +0000
                                                                Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:41 +0100
                                                                  Re: Accents. John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 08:56 -0700
                                                                  Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:53 +0000
                                                                    Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-31 19:02 -0700
                                                                      Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 02:52 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:32 +0000
                                                                          Re: Accents. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-19 19:19 +0000
                                                                            TV tropes (was: Re: Accents.) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 11:01 +0000
                                                                              Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-20 13:10 +0100
                                                                                Re: TV tropes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-20 17:57 +0000
                                                                                  Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-20 21:28 +0100
                                                                                  Re: TV tropes Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 02:10 +0000
                                                                                    Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 13:14 +0100
                                                                              Re: TV tropes Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 02:09 +0000
                                                                                Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-21 07:41 +0000
                                                                                  Re: TV tropes Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-21 09:00 +0000
                                                                                  Re: TV tropes The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 09:13 +0000
                                                                                    Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 13:17 +0100
                                                                                    Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-21 19:28 +0000
                                                                                      Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 20:43 +0100
                                                                                        Re: TV tropes The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 23:00 +0000
                                                                                        Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-22 04:06 +0000
                                                                        Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:24 +0100
                                                                          Re: Not Blade Runner Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:57 +0000
                                                                    Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:22 +0100
                                                                      Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 01:22 +0000
                                                                        Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:50 +0100
                                                                          Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:20 +0000
                                                                            Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 21:34 +0100
                                                                              Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 02:47 +0000
                                                                                Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 13:05 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 20:04 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Blade runner c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 15:40 -0500
                                                                                      Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 22:30 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 17:48 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Flashlights Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-11-03 20:26 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Flashlights Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-11-04 04:55 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:35 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-11-05 03:44 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 01:05 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 13:20 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:08 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-05 16:33 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 20:37 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:26 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 11:56 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 18:42 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:30 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Flashlights candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-11-07 16:20 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-07 18:11 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-07 18:50 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 22:42 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-07 21:08 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:31 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-08 16:05 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 20:06 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 00:04 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:08 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:41 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 12:07 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2025-11-09 19:05 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:58 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:12 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 05:09 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 01:31 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 18:39 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 07:51 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:19 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 09:55 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 18:16 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 20:39 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 22:54 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-21 23:52 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-21 23:32 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-22 06:49 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-22 03:14 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-22 11:32 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 22:00 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 02:35 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-23 09:40 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 20:15 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 22:10 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 22:10 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 01:42 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 22:09 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 02:17 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 22:19 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 21:58 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-24 20:28 +0100
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                                                                                                                    Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 07:59 +0100
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                                                                                                                            Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-25 18:58 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 22:09 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 02:17 +0000
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                                                                                                                    Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 07:59 +0100
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                                                                                                                            Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-25 18:58 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Chemical photography Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-25 19:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 20:32 +0100
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                                                                                                                                Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-25 22:26 +0000
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                                                                                                                                      City fauna "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-26 11:18 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: City fauna rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-26 20:40 +0000
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                                                                                                                                              Re: City fauna rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-27 19:58 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-26 20:15 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                          Punt guns. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:03 +0100
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                                                                                                                                                      Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 22:10 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Punt guns "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:06 +0100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Punt guns Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-29 08:58 -0800
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Punt guns c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:34 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Punt guns c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 01:05 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 19:19 +0000
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                                                                                                                                              Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 08:58 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-28 20:14 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 19:20 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                  Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 01:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:39 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Bears "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:07 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bears c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 00:51 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 20:09 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:12 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Repopulating bears, wolves... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:10 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-29 08:53 -0800
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 18:59 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:49 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 03:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 23:01 -0500
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 18:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 18:32 +0000
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                                                                                                                                      Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-27 19:07 +0000
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                                                                                              Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:28 +0100
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                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 13:27 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 19:37 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 21:12 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 13:22 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-04 20:52 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 21:23 -0500
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                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:10 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:05 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:21 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 07:21 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 03:54 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 18:20 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 09:52 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 07:21 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 03:17 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-05 11:54 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-05 16:41 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:16 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 22:22 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:41 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:10 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:24 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 02:44 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 21:53 -0500
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                                                                                    Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 23:14 +0100
                                                                    Re: Accents. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-19 19:01 +0000
                                                                  Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:19 +0000
                                                                    Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:33 +0000
                                                                    Blade runner. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:29 +0100
                                                                      Re: Blade runner. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:56 +0000
                                                                        Re: Blade runner. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-01 21:38 -0400
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                                                                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:48 +0000
                                                                Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
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                                                          Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:20 +0000
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                                                              Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 04:51 +0000
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                                                                  Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 15:03 +0000
                                                                    Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 20:15 +0000
                                                                      Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:15 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:39 +0000
                                                                    Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:26 +0000
                                                                      Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:44 +0100
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                                                                              Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:02 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:10 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:49 +0000
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                                                                            Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 18:48 +0000
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                                                                                Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-03 20:04 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 04:28 +0000
                                                                              Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 13:11 +0100
                                                                                Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 12:26 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 09:17 -0800
                                                                    Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:42 +0100
                                                                  Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 20:01 +0000
                                                                    Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:15 +0000
                                                                      Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:33 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:43 -0700
                                                                          Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-02 19:30 +0000
                                                                            Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 02:21 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:47 +0000
                                                          Re: Accents. Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:48 +0000
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                                                            Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:25 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:09 +0100
                                                          Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:29 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 21:50 -0700
                                                              Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:28 +0000
                                                              Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:29 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:27 +0000
                                                              Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:41 +0000
                                                                Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
                                                                  Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:36 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:11 +0100
                                                              Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:59 +0000
                                                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 18:54 +0000
                                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-28 09:34 +0000
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-26 13:53 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-26 15:40 +0100
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:11 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-02 14:03 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 22:20 -0400
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#78003 — Re: Chemical photography

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-11-28 07:20 +0000
SubjectRe: Chemical photography
Message-ID<10gbift$25949$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77996
On 28/11/2025 06:20, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Nov 2025 23:47:03 -0500, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     Japan, bear attacks are up SO much that now they're sending ARMY
>>     units in to deal with them. The beasties are walking straight into
>>     buildings and proceeding to try and eat people. The mil can't seem to
>>     figure out that a 5.56 isn't the best bear weapon alas ... a 12ga
>>     with buckshot and/or slugs works much better. No, you don't need a
>>     .500 Nitro Express, no armored bears here.
> 
> The biologists that mess around in grizzly territory favor 12 gauge pumps,
> alternate slugs and 00 buckshot. I go with a .357 but that isn't optimal.

What's wrong with a 50 cal machine gun or a Bushmaster 25mm autocannon?. 
Apart from picking up the pieces.


-- 
“It is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of 
making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people 
who pay no price for being wrong.”

Thomas Sowell

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#78004 — Re: Chemical photography

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-28 02:58 -0500
SubjectRe: Chemical photography
Message-ID<tWudnX6nzZXfy7T0nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#78003
On 11/28/25 02:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 28/11/2025 06:20, rbowman wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Nov 2025 23:47:03 -0500, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>>     Japan, bear attacks are up SO much that now they're sending ARMY
>>>     units in to deal with them. The beasties are walking straight into
>>>     buildings and proceeding to try and eat people. The mil can't 
>>> seem to
>>>     figure out that a 5.56 isn't the best bear weapon alas ... a 12ga
>>>     with buckshot and/or slugs works much better. No, you don't need a
>>>     .500 Nitro Express, no armored bears here.
>>
>> The biologists that mess around in grizzly territory favor 12 gauge 
>> pumps,
>> alternate slugs and 00 buckshot. I go with a .357 but that isn't optimal.
> 
> What's wrong with a 50 cal machine gun or a Bushmaster 25mm autocannon?. 
> Apart from picking up the pieces.

   Well, if it's an angry bear then we don't care
   how many pieces .....  :-)

   Alas both of those options are just a bit heavy
   to carry through hill country unless you're 19,
   large, and take lots of steroids.

   All-around for Alaska, .338 WM. If bears are
   a concern, the top ctg should be a heavier
   bullet.

   Hmm ... they USED to make something called
   a "drilling" ... like a heavy rifle or
   shotgun with a small-caliber rifle barrel
   on top, usually .22 ... good for big stuff
   and for rabbits roasting on the campfire.

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#78006 — Re: Chemical photography

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-11-28 09:12 +0000
SubjectRe: Chemical photography
Message-ID<mot7c8Fd065U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#78004
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 02:58:59 -0500, c186282 wrote:

>    Hmm ... they USED to make something called a "drilling" ... like a
>    heavy rifle or shotgun with a small-caliber rifle barrel on top,
>    usually .22 ... good for big stuff and for rabbits roasting on the
>    campfire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M30_Luftwaffe_Drilling

Beats the hell out of the M6. Savage still makes a .22/.410 combo. I don't 
know if .410 has become more available with the .410/.45LC revolvers. Like 
16 gauge it got scarce. My mother had a 16 ga. which was considered a 
ladies shotgun in her day but now it's all 12 or 20.

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#78008 — Re: Chemical photography

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-28 05:20 -0500
SubjectRe: Chemical photography
Message-ID<DSydnSAz49rK6rT0nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#78006
On 11/28/25 04:12, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 02:58:59 -0500, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     Hmm ... they USED to make something called a "drilling" ... like a
>>     heavy rifle or shotgun with a small-caliber rifle barrel on top,
>>     usually .22 ... good for big stuff and for rabbits roasting on the
>>     campfire.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M30_Luftwaffe_Drilling
> 
> Beats the hell out of the M6. Savage still makes a .22/.410 combo. I don't
> know if .410 has become more available with the .410/.45LC revolvers. Like
> 16 gauge it got scarce. My mother had a 16 ga. which was considered a
> ladies shotgun in her day but now it's all 12 or 20.

   .410 is a bit, well, small ... never was sure
   what you'd use 'em for.

   20ga was more the "ladies gun". 16ga really
   wasn't bad, nearly a 12 but a bit less kick.

   These days alas, you'd be pressed to find 16ga
   on any shelf, it just kind of faded away.

   You CAN still buy 10ga ... but again you'd have
   to special-order the shells.

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#78011 — Re: Chemical photography

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-11-28 11:28 +0000
SubjectRe: Chemical photography
Message-ID<10gc103$2b8ov$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78008
On 28/11/2025 10:20, c186282 wrote:
> On 11/28/25 04:12, rbowman wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 02:58:59 -0500, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>>     Hmm ... they USED to make something called a "drilling" ... like a
>>>     heavy rifle or shotgun with a small-caliber rifle barrel on top,
>>>     usually .22 ... good for big stuff and for rabbits roasting on the
>>>     campfire.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M30_Luftwaffe_Drilling
>>
>> Beats the hell out of the M6. Savage still makes a .22/.410 combo. I 
>> don't
>> know if .410 has become more available with the .410/.45LC revolvers. 
>> Like
>> 16 gauge it got scarce. My mother had a 16 ga. which was considered a
>> ladies shotgun in her day but now it's all 12 or 20.
> 
>    .410 is a bit, well, small ... never was sure
>    what you'd use 'em for.
> 
I have heard them called 'rook guns' - suitable for vermin really. 
Rabbits, squirrels, rats, smaller bids - probably could take a pigeon down.


>    20ga was more the "ladies gun". 16ga really
>    wasn't bad, nearly a 12 but a bit less kick.
> 
>    These days alas, you'd be pressed to find 16ga
>    on any shelf, it just kind of faded away.
> 
I never saw one. 20s and 12s yes.
20 is a useable weapon for most birds

>    You CAN still buy 10ga ... but again you'd have
>    to special-order the shells.
> 
not much need for anything larger than 12 in the UK, If you are going 
for deer you should be using a rifle

I believe there are a few punt guns around still though :-)
-- 
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale 
returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.

Mark Twain

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#78023 — Re: Chemical photography

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-11-28 20:32 +0000
SubjectRe: Chemical photography
Message-ID<mouf71Fj98hU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#78011
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 11:28:03 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> not much need for anything larger than 12 in the UK, If you are going
> for deer you should be using a rifle

In some populated areas you're limited to 12 gauge slugs for deer. 

> I believe there are a few punt guns around still though

Harold's Club in Reno had a firearms museum that had a couple of punt 
guns. They were pushing the Montana requirement that smokeless powder 
firearms must have a bore of 2" or less and be man portable. I wonder how 
far back the punt went when they were fired. Sadly, the Harold's 
collection was broken up and sold off. 

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#78042 — Re: Chemical photography

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-28 23:19 -0500
SubjectRe: Chemical photography
Message-ID<Ux2cnV53W8bP6bf0nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#78023
On 11/28/25 15:32, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 11:28:03 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> not much need for anything larger than 12 in the UK, If you are going
>> for deer you should be using a rifle
> 
> In some populated areas you're limited to 12 gauge slugs for deer.
> 
>> I believe there are a few punt guns around still though
> 
> Harold's Club in Reno had a firearms museum that had a couple of punt
> guns. They were pushing the Montana requirement that smokeless powder
> firearms must have a bore of 2" or less and be man portable. I wonder how
> far back the punt went when they were fired. Sadly, the Harold's
> collection was broken up and sold off.

   Oh gawd ! Don't try to SHOOT those old things !!!

   Boom !

   As for "man-portable" ... I think some of the punt
   guns kind of stretched that def  :-)

   Unsporting regardless.

   Biggest useful/sporting now is 10ga.

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#78053 — Re: Chemical photography

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-11-29 11:45 +0000
SubjectRe: Chemical photography
Message-ID<10gemcg$39ian$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78042
On 29/11/2025 04:19, c186282 wrote:
> On 11/28/25 15:32, rbowman wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 11:28:03 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> not much need for anything larger than 12 in the UK, If you are going
>>> for deer you should be using a rifle
>>
>> In some populated areas you're limited to 12 gauge slugs for deer.
>>
>>> I believe there are a few punt guns around still though
>>
>> Harold's Club in Reno had a firearms museum that had a couple of punt
>> guns. They were pushing the Montana requirement that smokeless powder
>> firearms must have a bore of 2" or less and be man portable. I wonder how
>> far back the punt went when they were fired. Sadly, the Harold's
>> collection was broken up and sold off.
> 
>    Oh gawd ! Don't try to SHOOT those old things !!!
> 
>    Boom !
> 
>    As for "man-portable" ... I think some of the punt
>    guns kind of stretched that def  :-)
> 
>    Unsporting regardless.
> 
Wildfowling in the Fens wasn't a sport. It was a *living*.

Like trawling, rather than angling.


>    Biggest useful/sporting now is 10ga.
> 

-- 
I was brought up to believe that you should never give offence if you 
can avoid it; the new culture tells us you should always take offence if 
you can. There are now experts in the art of taking offence, indeed 
whole academic subjects, such as 'gender studies', devoted to it.

Sir Roger Scruton

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#78052 — Re: Chemical photography

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-11-29 11:41 +0000
SubjectRe: Chemical photography
Message-ID<10gem5v$39ian$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78023
On 28/11/2025 20:32, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 11:28:03 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> not much need for anything larger than 12 in the UK, If you are going
>> for deer you should be using a rifle
> 
> In some populated areas you're limited to 12 gauge slugs for deer.
> 
>> I believe there are a few punt guns around still though
> 
> Harold's Club in Reno had a firearms museum that had a couple of punt
> guns. They were pushing the Montana requirement that smokeless powder
> firearms must have a bore of 2" or less and be man portable. I wonder how
> far back the punt went when they were fired. Sadly, the Harold's
> collection was broken up and sold off.
> 
The few accounts of Punt guns being fired I have read show a simply 
monumental recoil

I bet there is a you tube video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRL1d7jO7c
That's 1.68" bore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cO2D4rjQ1o

(The Fens are England's answer to Appalachia)

-- 
"Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will 
let them."


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#78057 — Punt guns.

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-11-29 14:03 +0100
SubjectPunt guns.
Message-ID<9h7rvlx29r.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#78052
On 2025-11-29 12:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 28/11/2025 20:32, rbowman wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 11:28:03 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> not much need for anything larger than 12 in the UK, If you are going
>>> for deer you should be using a rifle
>>
>> In some populated areas you're limited to 12 gauge slugs for deer.
>>
>>> I believe there are a few punt guns around still though
>>
>> Harold's Club in Reno had a firearms museum that had a couple of punt
>> guns. They were pushing the Montana requirement that smokeless powder
>> firearms must have a bore of 2" or less and be man portable. I wonder how
>> far back the punt went when they were fired. Sadly, the Harold's
>> collection was broken up and sold off.
>>
> The few accounts of Punt guns being fired I have read show a simply 
> monumental recoil
> 
> I bet there is a you tube video
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRL1d7jO7c
> That's 1.68" bore

I miss the part where he loads the gun.


> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cO2D4rjQ1o

Ah, this is better :-)

> 
> (The Fens are England's answer to Appalachia)
> 

The thing is, why not use a proper little cannon, with all the 
attachments for pointing it and handling recoil? Just to be legal and 
say it is a shotgun for a man.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#78061 — Re: Punt guns.

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-11-29 13:19 +0000
SubjectRe: Punt guns.
Message-ID<10gersq$3cneb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78057
On 29/11/2025 13:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-11-29 12:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 28/11/2025 20:32, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 11:28:03 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> not much need for anything larger than 12 in the UK, If you are going
>>>> for deer you should be using a rifle
>>>
>>> In some populated areas you're limited to 12 gauge slugs for deer.
>>>
>>>> I believe there are a few punt guns around still though
>>>
>>> Harold's Club in Reno had a firearms museum that had a couple of punt
>>> guns. They were pushing the Montana requirement that smokeless powder
>>> firearms must have a bore of 2" or less and be man portable. I wonder 
>>> how
>>> far back the punt went when they were fired. Sadly, the Harold's
>>> collection was broken up and sold off.
>>>
>> The few accounts of Punt guns being fired I have read show a simply 
>> monumental recoil
>>
>> I bet there is a you tube video
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRL1d7jO7c
>> That's 1.68" bore
> 
> I miss the part where he loads the gun.
> 
> 
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cO2D4rjQ1o
> 
> Ah, this is better :-)
> 
>>
>> (The Fens are England's answer to Appalachia)
>>
> 
> The thing is, why not use a proper little cannon, with all the 
> attachments for pointing it and handling recoil? Just to be legal and 
> say it is a shotgun for a man.
> 
> 
Lord I dont know, I think the punt gun was JUST light enough so you 
could carry it and mount it on a punt.

Cannon would have been heavier.

-- 
"Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will 
let them."


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#78063 — Re: Punt guns.

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-11-29 14:43 +0100
SubjectRe: Punt guns.
Message-ID<0t9rvlxhl5.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#78061
On 2025-11-29 14:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 29/11/2025 13:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-11-29 12:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

...

>> The thing is, why not use a proper little cannon, with all the 
>> attachments for pointing it and handling recoil? Just to be legal and 
>> say it is a shotgun for a man.
>>
>>
> Lord I dont know, I think the punt gun was JUST light enough so you 
> could carry it and mount it on a punt.
> 
> Cannon would have been heavier.

On one of the photos Google found for me, it was a proper cannon.

https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/punt-gun-1910-1920/

#5

Now that I see it in big size, I notice it is not a photo but a drawing.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
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#78064 — Re: Punt guns.

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-11-29 14:42 +0000
SubjectRe: Punt guns.
Message-ID<10gf0ns$3ejvu$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78063
On 29/11/2025 13:43, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-11-29 14:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 29/11/2025 13:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2025-11-29 12:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
>>> The thing is, why not use a proper little cannon, with all the 
>>> attachments for pointing it and handling recoil? Just to be legal and 
>>> say it is a shotgun for a man.
>>>
>>>
>> Lord I dont know, I think the punt gun was JUST light enough so you 
>> could carry it and mount it on a punt.
>>
>> Cannon would have been heavier.
> 
> On one of the photos Google found for me, it was a proper cannon.
> 
> https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/punt-gun-1910-1920/
> 
> #5
That WAS a cannon. Not a punt-gun!

> 
> Now that I see it in big size, I notice it is not a photo but a drawing.
> 
> 
Yes!
-- 
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#78038 — Re: Chemical photography

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-28 22:10 -0500
SubjectRe: Chemical photography
Message-ID<aVSdnRhUWLyq-bf0nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#78011
On 11/28/25 06:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 28/11/2025 10:20, c186282 wrote:
>> On 11/28/25 04:12, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 02:58:59 -0500, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>>     Hmm ... they USED to make something called a "drilling" ... like a
>>>>     heavy rifle or shotgun with a small-caliber rifle barrel on top,
>>>>     usually .22 ... good for big stuff and for rabbits roasting on the
>>>>     campfire.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M30_Luftwaffe_Drilling
>>>
>>> Beats the hell out of the M6. Savage still makes a .22/.410 combo. I 
>>> don't
>>> know if .410 has become more available with the .410/.45LC revolvers. 
>>> Like
>>> 16 gauge it got scarce. My mother had a 16 ga. which was considered a
>>> ladies shotgun in her day but now it's all 12 or 20.
>>
>>    .410 is a bit, well, small ... never was sure
>>    what you'd use 'em for.
>>
> I have heard them called 'rook guns' - suitable for vermin really. 
> Rabbits, squirrels, rats, smaller bids - probably could take a pigeon down.

   If you're CLOSE ... they just don't hold much shot.
   I think the buckshot loads are like four or five
   pellets in a row. Anyway, 'vermin gun' may be the
   best description. You might be able to shoot 45LC
   in some, but without rifling it's basically an
   olde-tyme musket.

>>    20ga was more the "ladies gun". 16ga really
>>    wasn't bad, nearly a 12 but a bit less kick.
>>
>>    These days alas, you'd be pressed to find 16ga
>>    on any shelf, it just kind of faded away.
>>
> I never saw one. 20s and 12s yes.
> 20 is a useable weapon for most birds

   Precise shots sometimes use 20ga just to prove
   their skill.

>>    You CAN still buy 10ga ... but again you'd have
>>    to special-order the shells.
>>
> not much need for anything larger than 12 in the UK, If you are going 
> for deer you should be using a rifle

   Well, the 'punt gun' was invented in the UK as best
   I remember ... about 4ga.

   10ga does have a place, esp in N.America, for longer-
   range fowl hunting - boosts out a LOT of shot. Kicks
   like a motherfucker though. Think there are still
   three or four name makers of the 10ga. Hmm, maybe
   that's the solution to polar bears ... a load of '0'
   buck or a huge-ass slug.

> I believe there are a few punt guns around still though :-)

   Are those 'guns' ? More into 'small cannon' territory  :-)

   A bit 'unsporting' too ...

   From pix I've seen, they weren't even meant to be held,
   had a sort of tang near the center point meant to be
   hooked around the rim of a boat. You fired them from
   a prone position.

   Shotgun bores are all basically the old musket bores
   from longer back. I think 28ga was .50 cal, 12ga was
   nominally the Brown Bess .75 cal.

   Wow ... forgot there was 28ga until just now ... maybe
   a bit more useful than .410

   Try :
https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/shotguns/shotguns/beretta-a400-upland-xtra-grain-walnut-28-gauge-3in-semi-automatic-shotgun-28in/p/1777544

https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/shotguns/cz-628-field-select-28-gauge-2-34in-blued-pump-shotgun-28in/p/1477236

https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/shotguns/mossberg-silver-reserve-satin-black-walnut-28-gauge-2-34in-over-under-shotgun-26in/p/1776160

   Still alive, but not exactly sure WHY.

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#78060 — Punt guns

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-11-29 14:06 +0100
SubjectPunt guns
Message-ID<un7rvlx29r.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#78038
On 2025-11-29 04:10, c186282 wrote:
> On 11/28/25 06:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 28/11/2025 10:20, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 11/28/25 04:12, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 02:58:59 -0500, c186282 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>     Hmm ... they USED to make something called a "drilling" ... like a
>>>>>     heavy rifle or shotgun with a small-caliber rifle barrel on top,
>>>>>     usually .22 ... good for big stuff and for rabbits roasting on the
>>>>>     campfire.
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M30_Luftwaffe_Drilling
>>>>
>>>> Beats the hell out of the M6. Savage still makes a .22/.410 combo. I 
>>>> don't
>>>> know if .410 has become more available with the .410/.45LC 
>>>> revolvers. Like
>>>> 16 gauge it got scarce. My mother had a 16 ga. which was considered a
>>>> ladies shotgun in her day but now it's all 12 or 20.
>>>
>>>    .410 is a bit, well, small ... never was sure
>>>    what you'd use 'em for.
>>>
>> I have heard them called 'rook guns' - suitable for vermin really. 
>> Rabbits, squirrels, rats, smaller bids - probably could take a pigeon 
>> down.
> 
>    If you're CLOSE ... they just don't hold much shot.
>    I think the buckshot loads are like four or five
>    pellets in a row. Anyway, 'vermin gun' may be the
>    best description. You might be able to shoot 45LC
>    in some, but without rifling it's basically an
>    olde-tyme musket.
> 
>>>    20ga was more the "ladies gun". 16ga really
>>>    wasn't bad, nearly a 12 but a bit less kick.
>>>
>>>    These days alas, you'd be pressed to find 16ga
>>>    on any shelf, it just kind of faded away.
>>>
>> I never saw one. 20s and 12s yes.
>> 20 is a useable weapon for most birds
> 
>    Precise shots sometimes use 20ga just to prove
>    their skill.
> 
>>>    You CAN still buy 10ga ... but again you'd have
>>>    to special-order the shells.
>>>
>> not much need for anything larger than 12 in the UK, If you are going 
>> for deer you should be using a rifle
> 
>    Well, the 'punt gun' was invented in the UK as best
>    I remember ... about 4ga.
> 
>    10ga does have a place, esp in N.America, for longer-
>    range fowl hunting - boosts out a LOT of shot. Kicks
>    like a motherfucker though. Think there are still
>    three or four name makers of the 10ga. Hmm, maybe
>    that's the solution to polar bears ... a load of '0'
>    buck or a huge-ass slug.
> 
>> I believe there are a few punt guns around still though :-)
> 
>    Are those 'guns' ? More into 'small cannon' territory  :-)
> 
>    A bit 'unsporting' too ...
> 
>    From pix I've seen, they weren't even meant to be held,
>    had a sort of tang near the center point meant to be
>    hooked around the rim of a boat. You fired them from
>    a prone position.
> 
>    Shotgun bores are all basically the old musket bores
>    from longer back. I think 28ga was .50 cal, 12ga was
>    nominally the Brown Bess .75 cal.
> 
>    Wow ... forgot there was 28ga until just now ... maybe
>    a bit more useful than .410
> 
>    Try :
> https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/shotguns/shotguns/ 
> beretta-a400-upland-xtra-grain-walnut-28-gauge-3in-semi-automatic- 
> shotgun-28in/p/1777544
> 
> https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/shotguns/cz-628- 
> field-select-28-gauge-2-34in-blued-pump-shotgun-28in/p/1477236
> 
> https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/shotguns/mossberg- 
> silver-reserve-satin-black-walnut-28-gauge-2-34in-over-under- 
> shotgun-26in/p/1776160


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> 
>    Still alive, but not exactly sure WHY.
> 


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#78068 — Re: Punt guns

FromBobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
Date2025-11-29 08:58 -0800
SubjectRe: Punt guns
Message-ID<10gf8ni$3hqd0$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78060

On 11/29/25 05:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-11-29 04:10, c186282 wrote:
>> On 11/28/25 06:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 28/11/2025 10:20, c186282 wrote:
>>>> On 11/28/25 04:12, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 02:58:59 -0500, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>     Hmm ... they USED to make something called a "drilling" ... 
>>>>>> like a
>>>>>>     heavy rifle or shotgun with a small-caliber rifle barrel on top,
>>>>>>     usually .22 ... good for big stuff and for rabbits roasting on 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>     campfire.

		We called it 40 years back a Bull barrel and it was a rifled barrel with
a bolt action usually to provide a very accurate rifle.

>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M30_Luftwaffe_Drilling
>>>>>
>>>>> Beats the hell out of the M6. Savage still makes a .22/.410 combo. 
>>>>> I don't
>>>>> know if .410 has become more available with the .410/.45LC 
>>>>> revolvers. Like
>>>>> 16 gauge it got scarce. My mother had a 16 ga. which was considered a
>>>>> ladies shotgun in her day but now it's all 12 or 20.
>>>>
>>>>    .410 is a bit, well, small ... never was sure
>>>>    what you'd use 'em for.
>>>>
>>> I have heard them called 'rook guns' - suitable for vermin really. 
>>> Rabbits, squirrels, rats, smaller bids - probably could take a pigeon 
>>> down.
>>
>>    If you're CLOSE ... they just don't hold much shot.
>>    I think the buckshot loads are like four or five
>>    pellets in a row. Anyway, 'vermin gun' may be the
>>    best description. You might be able to shoot 45LC
>>    in some, but without rifling it's basically an
>>    olde-tyme musket.
>>
>>>>    20ga was more the "ladies gun". 16ga really
>>>>    wasn't bad, nearly a 12 but a bit less kick.
>>>>
>>>>    These days alas, you'd be pressed to find 16ga
>>>>    on any shelf, it just kind of faded away.
>>>>
>>> I never saw one. 20s and 12s yes.
>>> 20 is a useable weapon for most birds
>>
>>    Precise shots sometimes use 20ga just to prove
>>    their skill.
>>
>>>>    You CAN still buy 10ga ... but again you'd have
>>>>    to special-order the shells.
>>>>
>>> not much need for anything larger than 12 in the UK, If you are going 
>>> for deer you should be using a rifle
>>
>>    Well, the 'punt gun' was invented in the UK as best
>>    I remember ... about 4ga.
>>
>>    10ga does have a place, esp in N.America, for longer-
>>    range fowl hunting - boosts out a LOT of shot. Kicks
>>    like a motherfucker though. Think there are still
>>    three or four name makers of the 10ga. Hmm, maybe
>>    that's the solution to polar bears ... a load of '0'
>>    buck or a huge-ass slug.
>>
>>> I believe there are a few punt guns around still though :-)
>>
>>    Are those 'guns' ? More into 'small cannon' territory  :-)
>>
>>    A bit 'unsporting' too ...
>>
>>    From pix I've seen, they weren't even meant to be held,
>>    had a sort of tang near the center point meant to be
>>    hooked around the rim of a boat. You fired them from
>>    a prone position.
>>
>>    Shotgun bores are all basically the old musket bores
>>    from longer back. I think 28ga was .50 cal, 12ga was
>>    nominally the Brown Bess .75 cal.
>>
>>    Wow ... forgot there was 28ga until just now ... maybe
>>    a bit more useful than .410
>>
>>    Try :
>> https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/shotguns/ 
>> shotguns/ beretta-a400-upland-xtra-grain-walnut-28-gauge-3in-semi- 
>> automatic- shotgun-28in/p/1777544
>>
>> https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/shotguns/cz-628- 
>> field-select-28-gauge-2-34in-blued-pump-shotgun-28in/p/1477236
>>
>> https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/shotguns/ 
>> mossberg- silver-reserve-satin-black-walnut-28-gauge-2-34in-over- 
>> under- shotgun-26in/p/1776160
> 
> 
> Sorry, you have been blocked
> You are unable to access sportsmans.com
> 
> 
> Why have I been blocked?
> 
> This website is using a security service to protect itself from online 
> attacks. The action you just performed triggered the security solution. 
> There are several actions that could trigger this block including 
> submitting a certain word or phrase, a SQL command or malformed data.
> 
> 
> What can I do to resolve this?
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> You can email the site owner to let them know you were blocked. Please 
> include what you were doing when this page came up and the Cloudflare 
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> 
>>
>>    Still alive, but not exactly sure WHY.
>>
		Strangely I could echo that feeling.
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#78080 — Re: Punt guns

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-29 22:34 -0500
SubjectRe: Punt guns
Message-ID<DIGdncf95I_MJrb0nZ2dnZfqnPoAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#78068
On 11/29/25 11:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/29/25 05:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-11-29 04:10, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 11/28/25 06:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 28/11/2025 10:20, c186282 wrote:
>>>>> On 11/28/25 04:12, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 02:58:59 -0500, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Hmm ... they USED to make something called a "drilling" ... 
>>>>>>> like a
>>>>>>>     heavy rifle or shotgun with a small-caliber rifle barrel on top,
>>>>>>>     usually .22 ... good for big stuff and for rabbits roasting 
>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>     campfire.
> 
>          We called it 40 years back a Bull barrel and it was a rifled 
> barrel with
> a bolt action usually to provide a very accurate rifle.
> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M30_Luftwaffe_Drilling
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Beats the hell out of the M6. Savage still makes a .22/.410 combo. 
>>>>>> I don't
>>>>>> know if .410 has become more available with the .410/.45LC 
>>>>>> revolvers. Like
>>>>>> 16 gauge it got scarce. My mother had a 16 ga. which was considered a
>>>>>> ladies shotgun in her day but now it's all 12 or 20.
>>>>>
>>>>>    .410 is a bit, well, small ... never was sure
>>>>>    what you'd use 'em for.
>>>>>
>>>> I have heard them called 'rook guns' - suitable for vermin really. 
>>>> Rabbits, squirrels, rats, smaller bids - probably could take a 
>>>> pigeon down.
>>>
>>>    If you're CLOSE ... they just don't hold much shot.
>>>    I think the buckshot loads are like four or five
>>>    pellets in a row. Anyway, 'vermin gun' may be the
>>>    best description. You might be able to shoot 45LC
>>>    in some, but without rifling it's basically an
>>>    olde-tyme musket.
>>>
>>>>>    20ga was more the "ladies gun". 16ga really
>>>>>    wasn't bad, nearly a 12 but a bit less kick.
>>>>>
>>>>>    These days alas, you'd be pressed to find 16ga
>>>>>    on any shelf, it just kind of faded away.
>>>>>
>>>> I never saw one. 20s and 12s yes.
>>>> 20 is a useable weapon for most birds
>>>
>>>    Precise shots sometimes use 20ga just to prove
>>>    their skill.
>>>
>>>>>    You CAN still buy 10ga ... but again you'd have
>>>>>    to special-order the shells.
>>>>>
>>>> not much need for anything larger than 12 in the UK, If you are 
>>>> going for deer you should be using a rifle
>>>
>>>    Well, the 'punt gun' was invented in the UK as best
>>>    I remember ... about 4ga.
>>>
>>>    10ga does have a place, esp in N.America, for longer-
>>>    range fowl hunting - boosts out a LOT of shot. Kicks
>>>    like a motherfucker though. Think there are still
>>>    three or four name makers of the 10ga. Hmm, maybe
>>>    that's the solution to polar bears ... a load of '0'
>>>    buck or a huge-ass slug.
>>>
>>>> I believe there are a few punt guns around still though :-)
>>>
>>>    Are those 'guns' ? More into 'small cannon' territory  :-)
>>>
>>>    A bit 'unsporting' too ...
>>>
>>>    From pix I've seen, they weren't even meant to be held,
>>>    had a sort of tang near the center point meant to be
>>>    hooked around the rim of a boat. You fired them from
>>>    a prone position.
>>>
>>>    Shotgun bores are all basically the old musket bores
>>>    from longer back. I think 28ga was .50 cal, 12ga was
>>>    nominally the Brown Bess .75 cal.
>>>
>>>    Wow ... forgot there was 28ga until just now ... maybe
>>>    a bit more useful than .410
>>>
>>>    Try :
>>> https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/shotguns/ 
>>> shotguns/ beretta-a400-upland-xtra-grain-walnut-28-gauge-3in-semi- 
>>> automatic- shotgun-28in/p/1777544
>>>
>>> https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/shotguns/ 
>>> cz-628- field-select-28-gauge-2-34in-blued-pump-shotgun-28in/p/1477236
>>>
>>> https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/shotguns/ 
>>> mossberg- silver-reserve-satin-black-walnut-28-gauge-2-34in-over- 
>>> under- shotgun-26in/p/1776160
>>
>>
>> Sorry, you have been blocked
>> You are unable to access sportsmans.com
>>
>>
>> Why have I been blocked?

   News today was some Brit being ARRESTED and
   harassed by the authorities for MONTHS just
   because, on a USA vacation, someone took a
   picture of him skeet-shooting with an awful
   horrible GUN !!!

   Of course if he'd been Islam it'd all be OK ...
   could have been pointing a rocket-launcher .....

   So yea, why should USA sites entertain Brits ?
   You're blocked FOR YOUR OWN GOOD !!!

>> This website is using a security service to protect itself from online 
>> attacks. The action you just performed triggered the security 
>> solution. There are several actions that could trigger this block 
>> including submitting a certain word or phrase, a SQL command or 
>> malformed data.
>>
>>
>> What can I do to resolve this?
>>
>> You can email the site owner to let them know you were blocked. Please 
>> include what you were doing when this page came up and the Cloudflare 
>> Ray ID found at the bottom of this page.
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>>>
>>>    Still alive, but not exactly sure WHY.
>>>
>          Strangely I could echo that feeling.
>          bliss
> 
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#78090 — Re: Punt guns

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-30 01:05 -0500
SubjectRe: Punt guns
Message-ID<0BWdnQkOzMINQ7b0nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#78068
On 11/29/25 11:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/29/25 05:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-11-29 04:10, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 11/28/25 06:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 28/11/2025 10:20, c186282 wrote:
>>>>> On 11/28/25 04:12, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 02:58:59 -0500, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Hmm ... they USED to make something called a "drilling" ... 
>>>>>>> like a
>>>>>>>     heavy rifle or shotgun with a small-caliber rifle barrel on top,
>>>>>>>     usually .22 ... good for big stuff and for rabbits roasting 
>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>     campfire.
> 
>          We called it 40 years back a Bull barrel and it was a rifled 
> barrel with
> a bolt action usually to provide a very accurate rifle.

   Heavy-barrel rifles (and pistols) can be VERY accurate.
   Ruger used to sell a .22 auto with a serious bull barrel,
   like 10 or 12 inches and nearly an inch wide. Perfect
   accuracy even single-handed. Remember those for the
   Zombie Apocalypse  :-)

   I remember a few old rifles that seemed to resemble the
   common single-shot shotguns of today. Lots of steel,
   but usually .22 or something close.

   One in .357 would be cool.

   Ah :

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/henry-rifles/henry-357-single-shot.cfm?gun_id=102352276

   Pretty close.

   UK residents may be blocked FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY from
   YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT.

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#78072 — Re: Chemical photography

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-11-29 19:19 +0000
SubjectRe: Chemical photography
Message-ID<mp0vadF1s5gU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#78038
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 22:10:47 -0500, c186282 wrote:

>    If you're CLOSE ... they just don't hold much shot.
>    I think the buckshot loads are like four or five pellets in a row.
>    Anyway, 'vermin gun' may be the best description. You might be able
>    to shoot 45LC in some, but without rifling it's basically an
>    olde-tyme musket.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_&_Wesson_Governor

No thanks. Taurus came up with the idea and has several variations.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/review-the-smith-wesson-governor/

Hearing protection is recommended. 

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#78022 — Re: Chemical photography

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-11-28 20:25 +0000
SubjectRe: Chemical photography
Message-ID<moueq2Fj98hU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#78008
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 05:20:05 -0500, c186282 wrote:

>    .410 is a bit, well, small ... never was sure what you'd use 'em for.

They were sort of a kid's gun. My father figured a 12 gauge was more 
suitable. He had a side by side and my uncle had an over and under and 
they would debate the merits. I think I was 14 before I got my own, a 
Mossberg 12 gauge bolt action. 

https://www.guns.com/news/2013/08/21/mossberg-bolt-action-shotguns-odd-
never-felt-so-good

Part of the attraction was some upstate NY counties were shotgun only for 
deer hunting to limit collateral damage. Nimrods from NYC were notorious. 
People were known to paint 'horse' or 'cow' on their livestock to aid in 
species identification. The best solution was for the mighty hunter to 
stay in a nice warm ginmill while a local filled his tag and strapped the 
field dressed deer on the fender of the hunter's Cadillac for the 
triumphal journey beck to civilization. It was a win-win. 

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