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| Started by | CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> |
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| First post | 2025-05-21 20:17 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-06-03 18:09 +0200 |
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Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-05-21 20:17 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-21 22:42 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-21 13:47 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-05-21 22:22 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-22 09:30 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-24 04:45 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-24 05:34 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-24 08:45 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-24 11:44 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-24 11:26 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-24 12:20 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-24 22:57 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-25 11:01 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-25 12:17 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-25 09:13 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-25 11:44 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-25 18:13 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-25 11:10 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-25 12:22 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-25 21:37 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-26 04:13 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-26 12:39 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-27 01:46 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-26 11:15 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-26 12:48 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-25 14:42 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-25 21:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-26 04:03 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-26 11:14 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-26 12:44 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-27 00:34 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-27 11:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-27 22:31 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-28 04:52 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 12:38 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 01:43 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-28 17:03 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-28 17:07 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 18:55 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 12:34 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-28 16:21 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 11:01 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 09:40 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-29 13:07 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-29 15:17 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-29 23:02 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 05:39 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-30 03:54 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-30 17:14 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-30 17:55 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 18:26 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:39 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-31 16:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 18:15 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-30 13:10 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-29 12:00 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 21:22 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 01:36 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-29 23:21 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 04:47 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-30 03:43 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 17:58 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-30 11:08 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 09:46 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 23:29 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 12:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 13:39 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 16:21 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 15:34 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-28 18:04 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-28 23:57 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-29 11:53 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 22:40 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 12:53 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 14:56 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 02:07 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 02:04 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 14:51 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 16:15 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 17:24 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-30 18:01 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 19:39 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-30 17:57 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 00:02 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-28 09:26 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 09:13 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-28 10:44 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 10:01 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-28 13:46 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 12:49 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 03:01 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 11:02 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 23:54 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-30 09:52 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 09:52 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:34 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-05-31 01:25 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-05-30 23:37 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 06:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 08:31 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-05-31 09:48 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-01 00:21 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-05-31 17:47 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-01 06:03 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-06-01 00:09 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-01 19:45 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-06-01 13:47 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-02 02:12 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-06-01 22:38 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-06-04 14:34 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-04 14:53 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-31 17:19 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 12:06 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-28 16:22 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 17:43 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-28 17:06 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-28 17:08 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-28 12:26 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 21:23 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-28 15:13 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-28 15:53 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 02:59 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-28 20:24 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 04:24 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-29 08:58 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 18:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 09:40 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:30 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-31 12:46 +1000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-30 23:20 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-31 13:49 +1000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 07:27 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 06:43 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 08:58 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 08:07 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 10:49 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 21:48 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 13:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 23:38 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 21:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 04:41 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 04:57 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 07:28 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-31 17:38 +1000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 08:18 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-31 17:24 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-06-01 06:07 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 10:51 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 13:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 07:25 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 06:45 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 09:01 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-03 00:17 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 07:24 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 22:43 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-29 17:54 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 01:52 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-29 23:47 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-30 09:53 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-29 23:52 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 02:58 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 23:45 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-29 18:36 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 01:46 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 09:37 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 11:04 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 09:42 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 12:21 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 22:42 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 18:48 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 21:23 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 01:42 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-29 23:09 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 05:18 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-30 03:46 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 18:36 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-05-29 13:10 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-29 12:29 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-29 12:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-29 13:50 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 23:50 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 12:43 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 23:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-28 18:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 19:18 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-28 23:40 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 02:55 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 23:47 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 05:48 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-29 02:04 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 18:30 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 09:36 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 11:06 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 09:42 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 12:22 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 19:13 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 21:24 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 01:48 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-30 09:55 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 09:45 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-30 13:24 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 14:42 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 16:08 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 18:08 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 19:42 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:25 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 07:29 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 06:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 09:04 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 08:27 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 10:59 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 12:43 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 12:07 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 14:03 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 23:44 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-06-01 10:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-01 13:58 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-01 19:52 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-01 22:46 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-02 05:23 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 08:37 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-02 07:47 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-02 09:02 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-02 10:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 12:57 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-02 14:58 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-02 15:38 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-02 14:59 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 07:17 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-03 11:58 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-06-06 18:33 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-07 02:22 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-08 03:39 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-06-02 09:58 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-02 18:05 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-02 09:06 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 07:22 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 18:05 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 14:40 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:23 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 19:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-29 12:07 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-29 13:47 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-30 08:41 +1000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 08:32 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-05-30 11:59 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 12:21 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 18:44 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 12:46 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-31 12:27 +1000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 02:42 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-31 13:39 +1000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 04:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-31 17:56 +1000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 08:25 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 11:02 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-02 09:13 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-03 00:24 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 07:24 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 09:21 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 11:01 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 10:26 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 12:35 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 12:37 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-03 18:32 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 04:23 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 12:01 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 00:19 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 00:18 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-03 22:01 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-03 12:05 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 17:00 +0200
GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 10:36 +0100
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 11:32 +0100
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 19:24 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 11:54 +0100
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-03 08:42 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 17:37 +0100
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 00:15 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-06-04 06:50 -0400
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 13:02 +0100
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 23:12 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-06-07 16:00 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-04 08:48 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 23:14 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-05 08:45 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-05 23:42 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-06 08:32 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-06 08:37 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-07 02:19 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-06-07 07:05 -0400
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-08 03:46 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-08 00:25 -0400
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-06-08 08:25 -0400
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-08 18:25 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-06-09 08:47 -0400
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-08 23:05 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-09 15:34 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-10 01:10 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-10 07:44 +0200
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-10 14:14 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-06-10 09:16 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-10 23:45 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-06 21:02 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-06 15:03 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-06 00:09 -0400
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-05 10:46 +0100
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-05 08:54 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-05 23:46 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 19:02 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-28 23:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-29 12:06 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-29 09:55 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 23:53 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-29 15:39 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 23:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-29 23:07 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 23:23 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-29 09:51 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 23:58 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-30 11:20 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:19 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 09:09 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 12:03 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-28 23:14 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-26 01:10 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 13:33 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 18:37 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 18:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-26 11:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-26 12:42 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-26 18:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-26 20:47 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-27 03:10 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-27 02:05 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-27 11:39 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-27 12:45 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 12:46 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-27 23:48 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-28 05:04 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 02:33 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 09:07 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 12:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-27 00:39 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-27 11:37 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-27 22:28 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-27 17:08 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-28 01:28 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 00:08 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-28 04:59 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 02:37 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 11:56 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 14:47 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-28 23:05 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-29 12:21 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-29 13:53 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-05-29 18:20 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-29 18:54 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-29 09:35 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 12:38 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-30 18:06 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-31 09:25 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 22:34 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-27 23:42 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 09:03 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 23:38 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 13:38 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 11:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-28 23:06 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-29 12:29 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-29 13:57 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-05-29 18:23 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-29 18:51 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-29 09:37 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 12:33 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 16:12 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 23:07 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 00:41 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-31 03:17 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:15 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 22:56 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 23:27 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-31 09:27 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 11:07 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-31 17:27 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 22:21 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-31 23:04 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-31 19:06 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-01 01:33 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-02 11:35 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 13:03 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-02 17:04 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 22:48 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-06-02 10:08 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 22:50 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 07:26 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 09:45 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 11:02 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 10:47 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 00:05 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 02:08 +0000
OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 10:40 +0100
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 11:45 +0100
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 13:07 +0000
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 12:58 +0000
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 15:02 +0100
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 19:16 +0000
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-04 10:13 +0000
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 18:46 +0000
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 00:41 +0100
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 05:04 +0000
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 11:52 +0100
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 20:06 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2025-06-03 12:23 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 08:11 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 02:03 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 06:14 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 09:02 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 17:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 19:20 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 04:10 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 11:56 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 18:26 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 20:36 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-04 19:10 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-05 09:41 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-07 01:36 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-08 17:41 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-08 18:22 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-08 21:27 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-08 21:26 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-04 01:28 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 12:13 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 19:10 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 09:01 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 13:24 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 15:37 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-04 10:35 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-04 01:26 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-06-04 06:13 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 12:13 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-04 20:50 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-06-06 18:35 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-07 01:06 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-07 01:05 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-06-02 07:20 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 08:41 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-06-02 08:15 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 10:17 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-06-02 09:57 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 12:56 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-06-03 00:08 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-02 17:44 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 22:51 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 00:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 08:12 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-04 01:17 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 12:06 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 01:56 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 08:22 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 17:58 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 19:22 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-03 18:32 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 04:48 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 11:49 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 19:28 +0000
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Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 12:11 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 23:09 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-02 11:30 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 13:02 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 01:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-03 04:12 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 13:26 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 15:51 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-06-03 15:50 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 00:09 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-03 21:57 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 04:16 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-04 10:29 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-06-04 06:45 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 12:48 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 22:56 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 19:32 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-04 10:25 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 12:19 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-04 15:08 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 16:40 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 18:43 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 23:01 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 18:39 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-03 00:26 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 01:47 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 00:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-06-02 21:24 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-03 00:54 -0400
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Re: OT: fascism, far-right Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2025-06-04 13:37 +0000
Re: OT: fascism, far-right The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 15:13 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-05-31 00:35 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-31 03:22 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-27 15:24 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:08 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-28 21:46 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-28 14:52 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-28 22:04 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 06:20 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 23:19 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 06:14 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 11:36 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 18:35 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 22:29 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-05-31 22:16 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 23:30 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-05-31 22:58 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-01 01:32 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-05-21 18:29 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-05-21 23:22 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2025-05-21 23:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-22 01:05 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-22 09:34 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-22 09:32 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-22 00:01 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-22 16:03 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-05-22 20:14 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-22 22:27 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-22 23:26 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-23 06:41 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-23 08:48 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2025-05-23 04:03 -0500
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-23 09:17 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-05-23 23:42 +0000
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-31 04:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <101e19m$ucpf$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68045 |
On 31 May 2025 12:46:44 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > Heh, yeah but you can see exactly what the sysvinit scripts are > doing. Not really. What’s the first step to writing a new sysvinit script? Copy/paste a whole bunch of boilerplate from an existing script. Why? “Just in case” ... > I tried to write a Systemd service and ran into all the weird > commands and different edits you had to make. I’ve done several of those. Here’s an example (not one of mine) <https://web.archive.org/web/20240711140744/https://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/list/wlug@list.waikato.ac.nz/thread/BIAW7GY4KGPUGWIIRWNMBE5JSUVT2VWX/> which is instructive because of its simplicity: it shows how systemd can really make things easier to express than sysvinit. Personally, all the ones I’ve done have been quite small -- less than a dozen lines each. And each line was put in because it had a purpose that I understood. The one pitfall I did encounter was the difference between “After=” and “Requires=” lines: one specifies timing, the other specifies dependency, and if you want both, you need to specify both. ;)
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-31 04:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <101e26s$urk4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68055 |
On Sat, 31 May 2025 04:41:27 -0000 (UTC), I wrote: > Personally, all the ones I’ve done have been quite small -- less than a > dozen lines each. Make that “less than a couple dozen lines each”. How big is the typical sysvinit script?
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2025-05-31 07:28 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <101e42b$1vf3k$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #68057 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >On Sat, 31 May 2025 04:41:27 -0000 (UTC), I wrote: > >> Personally, all the ones I’ve done have been quite small -- less than a >> dozen lines each. > >Make that “less than a couple dozen lines each”. Indeed, delivered systemd units are usually longer than a dozen. I didn't expect that. >How big is the typical sysvinit script? And how much of it is repetetive and needs to be adapted every single time the customs change? Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2025-05-31 17:38 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <683ab1da@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #68055 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On 31 May 2025 12:46:44 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> Heh, yeah but you can see exactly what the sysvinit scripts are >> doing. > > Not really. What's the first step to writing a new sysvinit script? > Copy/paste a whole bunch of boilerplate from an existing script. Why? > "Just in case" ... Sure but I don't find that boilerplate hard to read that. I do find it hard to look up what all the fields in Systemd services mean, and the commands to install/enable/inspect them. Like I say if I were editing lots of them regularly it would be different, but I use shell scripts much more than I tweak init tasks, so the less init-specific info required the better. >> I tried to write a Systemd service and ran into all the weird >> commands and different edits you had to make. > > I've done several of those. Here's an example (not one of mine) > <https://web.archive.org/web/20240711140744/https://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/list/wlug@list.waikato.ac.nz/thread/BIAW7GY4KGPUGWIIRWNMBE5JSUVT2VWX/> > which is instructive because of its simplicity: it shows how systemd > can really make things easier to express than sysvinit. Except you could have just done this on most sysvinit systems: echo 'echo 50 > /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_control_end_threshold' >> /etc/rc.local (though probably better to have "exit 0" at the end of that script). Or the same in Systemd if you have a service that runs /etc/rc.local. Or maybe that would be sacrilege? Anyway, each to his own. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-31 08:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <101edvu$112mr$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68074 |
On 31 May 2025 17:38:03 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > I do find it hard to look up what all the fields in Systemd services > mean, and the commands to install/enable/inspect them. It’s all in the man pages, which are also available online at <https://systemd.io/> > Like I say if I were editing lots of them regularly it would be > different ... I don’t edit most of them regularly either. There are lots of different *nix admin/development things I do, but not frequently enough to have memorized them. You get used to knowing how and where to look things up. In my undergrad physics classes, all the exams were “open book” -- you were allowed, nay, expected, to bring a copy of the textbook to the exam. I treat my admin/development work the same way: there’s no shame in continually looking up docs, particularly nowadays when everything is available online. > Except you could have just done this on most sysvinit systems: > echo 'echo 50 > /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_control_end_threshold' >> /etc/rc.local Fine if that’s the only thing in your rc.local, not so fine if you start putting multiple things there. (Just another aspect of the hodgepodge of bits and pieces that make up sysvinit, that have trouble scaling to more complex real-world uses.) > Or the same in Systemd if you have a service that runs > /etc/rc.local. Or maybe that would be sacrilege? Anyway, each to his > own. Yes, there is such a service -- part of the sysvinit support, for now.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-31 17:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ma0sa6F3ihvU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #68077 |
On Sat, 31 May 2025 08:18:06 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > I don’t edit most of them regularly either. There are lots of different > *nix admin/development things I do, but not frequently enough to have > memorized them. You get used to knowing how and where to look things up. Why do you edit them? I'm not disagreeing but I've never had to do so. The closest I've come is /etc/udev/rules.d. I've got vague memories of messing around in init.d but that was very long ago.
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2025-06-01 06:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ma290dF9te9U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #68101 |
On 31 May 2025 17:24:23 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in <ma0sa6F3ihvU2@mid.individual.net>: > On Sat, 31 May 2025 08:18:06 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >> I don’t edit most of them regularly either. There are lots of different >> *nix admin/development things I do, but not frequently enough to have >> memorized them. You get used to knowing how and where to look things >> up. > > Why do you edit them? I'm not disagreeing but I've never had to do so. > The closest I've come is /etc/udev/rules.d. > > I've got vague memories of messing around in init.d but that was very > long ago. I actually created a unit file recently, and it works pretty darn well: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _[/etc/systemd/system]_(root@xxx)_ # cat policy-routing.service [Unit] Description=Apply source-based routing rules After=network-online.target network.service Requires=network.service PartOf=network.service [Service] Type=oneshot ExecStart=/usr/local/sbin/apply-policy-routing.sh RemainAfterExit=true ExecReload=/usr/local/sbin/apply-policy-routing.sh [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target _ _ _ _ _ _ _ -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090Ti 24G OS: Linux 6.15.0 D: Mint 22.1 DE: Xfce 4.18 Mem: 258G "File not found. Should I fake it? (Y/N)"
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2025-05-31 10:51 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <101efu5$20bq0$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #68074 |
not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote: >Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> On 31 May 2025 12:46:44 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>> Heh, yeah but you can see exactly what the sysvinit scripts are >>> doing. >> >> Not really. What's the first step to writing a new sysvinit script? >> Copy/paste a whole bunch of boilerplate from an existing script. Why? >> "Just in case" ... > >Sure but I don't find that boilerplate hard to read that. And surely you don't find it hard to fix bugs and to keep them current because you simply don't do that.. I found myself one generating init scripts with a script. Thank you, I don't want to do that again.. >I do find >it hard to look up what all the fields in Systemd services mean, >and the commands to install/enable/inspect them. IT is never stopping to learn and to adapt. If you want things to move slower, go manage a forest. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> |
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| Date | 2025-05-31 13:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <683b08da$0$11458$426a74cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #68045 |
Le 31-05-2025, Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> a écrit : > > Heh, yeah but you can see exactly what the sysvinit scripts are > doing. No. You can believe you can see exactly what they are doing. But the script shell is a nightmare. Some are using sh other are using bash. And they rely heavily on environment variables which have different values depending on a lot of things, mostly at the starting time. So, no. Definitively no. If I agree systemd can is difficult to learn, I fully disagree saying sysvinit is simple and easy. > If you're rewriting every single daemon yourself then you probably > would get pretty good at it by the end. But if you're just > adding/debugging things once in a while like a normal person it's > a minefield compared to relatively self-descriptive (if you > understand shell scripting at least) init scripts. Once again I agree systemd is difficult. And there is no documentation to start from nothing to become a master: the documentation is spread everywhere and difficult to follow without loosing what you are looking for. But once again, I disagree saying that systinit is easy and good. -- Si vous avez du temps à perdre : https://scarpet42.gitlab.io
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2025-05-31 07:25 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <101e3t2$1vf28$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #68031 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >On Fri, 30 May 2025 09:40:57 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> My beef was mainly that it enforced the need for EVERY SINGLE DAEMON to >> have its config file rewritten in a more complex form. > >systemd had extensive backward compatibility with sysvinit scripts right >from the beginning. Otherwise nobody would have bothered with a transition >that would have been more painful than it needed to be. And here comes that attitude that I'd like to complain about in the systemd makers: They're planning to rip the init script compatibility layer out. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-31 06:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <101e8ik$104ce$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68059 |
On Sat, 31 May 2025 07:25:53 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >> systemd had extensive backward compatibility with sysvinit scripts >> right from the beginning. Otherwise nobody would have bothered with >> a transition that would have been more painful than it needed to >> be. > > And here comes that attitude that I'd like to complain about in the > systemd makers: They're planning to rip the init script compatibility > layer out. Yeah, I heard about that. Like anything in Open Source, who is going to maintain it? Nobody wants to do unnecessary work without reward. Seems the need for the transition period has largely gone away now, save only that small handful of stubborn holdouts who will never concede anyway.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2025-05-31 09:01 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <101e9h4$1vrbq$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #68068 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >On Sat, 31 May 2025 07:25:53 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>> systemd had extensive backward compatibility with sysvinit scripts >>> right from the beginning. Otherwise nobody would have bothered with >>> a transition that would have been more painful than it needed to >>> be. >> >> And here comes that attitude that I'd like to complain about in the >> systemd makers: They're planning to rip the init script compatibility >> layer out. > >Yeah, I heard about that. Like anything in Open Source, who is going to >maintain it? init script compatibility is little more than a generator. It's easy to maintain inside the systemd sources, it's way harder to maintain if one has to maintain a build system, a package, dependencies etc around the ripped out code that all is unnecessary if it were still part of the package. >Nobody wants to do unnecessary work without reward. Writing widely used software comes with responsibility. Part of that responsibility is that you get to work on parts of the software that you don't use yourself instead of expecting that everybody is going to accept your way. It is an attitude to dismiss other people's valid opinions like that. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-03 00:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <101leuu$3j9qp$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68072 |
On Sat, 31 May 2025 09:01:56 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> Nobody wants to do unnecessary work without reward. > > Writing widely used software comes with responsibility. Part of that > responsibility is that you get to work on parts of the software that > you don't use yourself instead of expecting that everybody is going to > accept your way. It is an attitude to dismiss other people's valid > opinions like that. Surely those big, important corporates who are running mission-critical workloads that are crucially dependent on sysvinit scripts have the development resources to contribute to maintaining code that is so important to them? don’t they? Or perhaps it would make more sense to put those development resources into replacing those sysvinit scripts with more modern ways of doing things. Either way, the problem solves itself.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2025-05-31 07:24 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <101e3r7$1vem9$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #67982 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >My beef was mainly that it enforced the need for EVERY SINGLE DAEMON to >have its config file rewritten in a more complex form. That you see an init script easier than a systemd unit is really strange. A systemd unit is different, but I don't think that anyone could see it more complicated. You can write a systemd unit that uses security features that init script people never have dreamt of and that is STILL shorter than an init script. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-29 22:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <101anus$374e$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #67922 |
On Thu, 29 May 2025 08:58:11 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > On 5/28/25 21:24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> >> So what were the problems with systemd, exactly? > > Instability. When Debian Unstable adopted it, I didn’t even notice the transition. That’s how stable it was. What kind of instability did you run into?
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-29 17:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <101avjo$2obv$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #67950 |
On 5/29/25 15:43, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 29 May 2025 08:58:11 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > >> On 5/28/25 21:24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>> So what were the problems with systemd, exactly? >> >> Instability. > > When Debian Unstable adopted it, I didn’t even notice the transition. > That’s how stable it was. > > What kind of instability did you run into? Simply said "Failure pf Boot". I had to re-install repeatedly. About 04/2016 i found that PCLinuxOS had determined how to deal with UEFI and went away from Mageia. PCLinuxOS uses SysV for init. I have had relatively few problems running it on any of my machines which started with a Compaq laptop then used Dells laptops and refurbished Dell laptops. Mandriva I ran on two other laptops, one was a bargain at the Goodwill thrift store and by reducing he number of virtual desktops it moved things along pretty well using a 700 MHz Copper mine. But that is very ancient history. bliss-Dell Precision 7730-PCLOS 2025.05- Linux 6.12.30 pclos1-KDE Plasma 5.27.11
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-30 01:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <101b31a$4vts$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #67957 |
On Thu, 29 May 2025 17:54:15 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 5/29/25 15:43, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 29 May 2025 08:58:11 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/28/25 21:24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So what were the problems with systemd, exactly?
>>>
>>> Instability.
>>
>> When Debian Unstable adopted it, I didn’t even notice the transition.
>> That’s how stable it was.
>>
>> What kind of instability did you run into?
>
> Simply said "Failure pf Boot". I had to re-install repeatedly.
> About 04/2016 i found that PCLinuxOS had determined how
> to deal with UEFI and went away from Mageia.
>
> PCLinuxOS uses SysV for init.
Maybe the two had nothing to do with each other.
There were additional options you could have tried. For example, did you
know you can tell the kernel to boot straight into a shell, and nothing
more, with something as simple as
init=/bin/bash
and completely bypass the entire normal userland init system, just to see
if that works.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-05-29 23:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <i-6cnWhj55rDt6T1nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #67962 |
On 5/29/25 9:52 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 29 May 2025 17:54:15 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > >> On 5/29/25 15:43, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, 29 May 2025 08:58:11 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >>> >>>> On 5/28/25 21:24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>>> >>>>> So what were the problems with systemd, exactly? >>>> >>>> Instability. >>> >>> When Debian Unstable adopted it, I didn’t even notice the transition. >>> That’s how stable it was. >>> >>> What kind of instability did you run into? >> >> Simply said "Failure pf Boot". I had to re-install repeatedly. >> About 04/2016 i found that PCLinuxOS had determined how >> to deal with UEFI and went away from Mageia. >> >> PCLinuxOS uses SysV for init. > > Maybe the two had nothing to do with each other. > > There were additional options you could have tried. For example, did you > know you can tell the kernel to boot straight into a shell, and nothing > more, with something as simple as > > init=/bin/bash > > and completely bypass the entire normal userland init system, just to see > if that works. Look folks ... systemd IS a divisive issue, has been since the beginning. It DOES have a number of very good uses, but some of it is so complex that many wonder if there is evil embedded. Don't blame 'em ... if for a major biz/industrial server I'd probably stick to SysV - just in case. But for lesser, 'home', type systems ........ Frankly for big biz/industrial/finance I would use a BSD instead, not Linux. OpenBSD has the best rep for 'security' stuff. NOT great for 'desktop' use, but that's really not its main thing. The very popular 'MX' Linux now DEFAULTS to using SysV. However you CAN choose the systemd startup option ... easy with GRUB CUSTOMIZER. All of my MX units now run systemd because I use the startup, monitor, restart options for various daemons. BUT, you don't HAVE to do that. Making the option easy ... I think that's the thing.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2025-05-30 09:53 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <101bo56$1prlf$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #67957 |
Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote: >On 5/29/25 15:43, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> On Thu, 29 May 2025 08:58:11 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >> >>> On 5/28/25 21:24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>> >>>> So what were the problems with systemd, exactly? >>> >>> Instability. >> >> When Debian Unstable adopted it, I didn’t even notice the transition. >> That’s how stable it was. >> >> What kind of instability did you run into? > >Simply said "Failure pf Boot". I had to re-install repeatedly. Never experienced that. Likely a distro or a user problem. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-05-29 23:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <hticnY87ptDltqT1nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #67950 |
On 5/29/25 6:43 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 29 May 2025 08:58:11 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > >> On 5/28/25 21:24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>> So what were the problems with systemd, exactly? >> >> Instability. > > When Debian Unstable adopted it, I didn’t even notice the transition. > That’s how stable it was. > > What kind of instability did you run into? You're right - almost NO "instability", even early on. They DO keep EXPANDING systemd though ... evil MIGHT infiltrate. If you're paranoid then DON'T USE IT. There are several kinds of servers where you maybe should not use it. The TRICK is for distos to make it EASY to use, or NOT use, systemd. "MX" has explicit boot options - use or don't. Grub Customizer lets you pick which option starts preferably. This is good, the RIGHT way - no fascism.
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