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| Started by | CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> |
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| First post | 2025-05-21 20:17 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-06-03 18:09 +0200 |
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Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-05-21 20:17 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-21 22:42 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-21 13:47 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-05-21 22:22 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-22 09:30 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-24 04:45 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-24 05:34 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-24 08:45 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-24 11:44 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-24 11:26 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-24 12:20 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-24 22:57 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-25 11:01 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-25 12:17 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-25 09:13 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-25 11:44 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-25 18:13 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-25 11:10 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-25 12:22 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-25 21:37 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-26 04:13 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-26 12:39 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-27 01:46 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-26 11:15 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-26 12:48 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-25 14:42 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-25 21:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-26 04:03 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-26 11:14 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-26 12:44 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-27 00:34 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-27 11:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-27 22:31 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-28 04:52 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 12:38 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 01:43 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-28 17:03 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-28 17:07 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 18:55 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 12:34 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-28 16:21 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 11:01 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 09:40 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-29 13:07 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-29 15:17 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-29 23:02 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 05:39 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-30 03:54 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-30 17:14 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-30 17:55 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 18:26 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:39 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-31 16:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 18:15 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-30 13:10 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-29 12:00 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 21:22 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 01:36 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-29 23:21 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 04:47 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-30 03:43 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 17:58 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-30 11:08 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 09:46 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 23:29 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 12:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 13:39 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 16:21 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 15:34 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-28 18:04 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-28 23:57 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-29 11:53 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 22:40 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 12:53 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 14:56 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 02:07 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 02:04 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 14:51 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 16:15 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 17:24 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-30 18:01 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 19:39 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-30 17:57 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 00:02 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-28 09:26 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 09:13 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-28 10:44 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 10:01 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-28 13:46 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 12:49 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 03:01 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 11:02 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 23:54 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-30 09:52 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 09:52 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:34 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-05-31 01:25 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-05-30 23:37 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 06:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 08:31 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-05-31 09:48 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-01 00:21 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-05-31 17:47 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-01 06:03 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-06-01 00:09 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-01 19:45 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-06-01 13:47 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-02 02:12 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-06-01 22:38 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-06-04 14:34 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-04 14:53 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-31 17:19 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 12:06 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-28 16:22 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 17:43 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-28 17:06 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-28 17:08 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-28 12:26 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 21:23 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-28 15:13 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-28 15:53 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 02:59 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-28 20:24 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 04:24 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-29 08:58 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 18:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 09:40 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:30 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-31 12:46 +1000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-30 23:20 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-31 13:49 +1000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 07:27 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 06:43 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 08:58 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 08:07 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 10:49 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 21:48 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 13:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 23:38 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 21:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 04:41 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 04:57 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 07:28 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-31 17:38 +1000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 08:18 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-31 17:24 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-06-01 06:07 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 10:51 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 13:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 07:25 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 06:45 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 09:01 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-03 00:17 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 07:24 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 22:43 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-29 17:54 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 01:52 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-29 23:47 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-30 09:53 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-29 23:52 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 02:58 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 23:45 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-29 18:36 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 01:46 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 09:37 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 11:04 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 09:42 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 12:21 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 22:42 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 18:48 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 21:23 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 01:42 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-29 23:09 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 05:18 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-30 03:46 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 18:36 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-05-29 13:10 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-29 12:29 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-29 12:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-29 13:50 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 23:50 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 12:43 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 23:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-28 18:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 19:18 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-28 23:40 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 02:55 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 23:47 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 05:48 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-29 02:04 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 18:30 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 09:36 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 11:06 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 09:42 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 12:22 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 19:13 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 21:24 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 01:48 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-30 09:55 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 09:45 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-30 13:24 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 14:42 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 16:08 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 18:08 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 19:42 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:25 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 07:29 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 06:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 09:04 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 08:27 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 10:59 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 12:43 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 12:07 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 14:03 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 23:44 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-06-01 10:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-01 13:58 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-01 19:52 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-01 22:46 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-02 05:23 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 08:37 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-02 07:47 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-02 09:02 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-02 10:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 12:57 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-02 14:58 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-02 15:38 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-02 14:59 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 07:17 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-03 11:58 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-06-06 18:33 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-07 02:22 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-08 03:39 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-06-02 09:58 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-02 18:05 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-02 09:06 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 07:22 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 18:05 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 14:40 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:23 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 19:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-29 12:07 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-29 13:47 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-30 08:41 +1000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 08:32 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-05-30 11:59 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 12:21 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 18:44 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 12:46 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-31 12:27 +1000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 02:42 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-31 13:39 +1000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 04:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-31 17:56 +1000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 08:25 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 11:02 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-02 09:13 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-03 00:24 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 07:24 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 09:21 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 11:01 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 10:26 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 12:35 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 12:37 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-03 18:32 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 04:23 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 12:01 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 00:19 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 00:18 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-03 22:01 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-03 12:05 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 17:00 +0200
GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 10:36 +0100
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 11:32 +0100
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 19:24 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 11:54 +0100
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-03 08:42 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 17:37 +0100
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 00:15 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-06-04 06:50 -0400
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 13:02 +0100
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 23:12 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-06-07 16:00 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-04 08:48 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 23:14 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-05 08:45 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-05 23:42 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-06 08:32 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-06 08:37 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-07 02:19 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-06-07 07:05 -0400
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-08 03:46 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-08 00:25 -0400
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-06-08 08:25 -0400
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-08 18:25 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-06-09 08:47 -0400
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-08 23:05 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-09 15:34 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-10 01:10 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-10 07:44 +0200
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-10 14:14 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-06-10 09:16 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-10 23:45 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-06 21:02 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-06 15:03 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-06 00:09 -0400
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-05 10:46 +0100
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-05 08:54 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-05 23:46 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 19:02 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-28 23:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-29 12:06 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-29 09:55 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 23:53 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-29 15:39 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 23:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-29 23:07 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 23:23 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-29 09:51 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 23:58 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-30 11:20 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:19 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 09:09 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 12:03 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-28 23:14 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-26 01:10 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 13:33 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 18:37 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 18:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-26 11:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-26 12:42 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-26 18:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-26 20:47 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-27 03:10 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-27 02:05 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-27 11:39 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-27 12:45 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 12:46 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-27 23:48 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-28 05:04 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 02:33 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 09:07 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 12:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-27 00:39 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-27 11:37 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-27 22:28 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-27 17:08 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-28 01:28 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 00:08 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-28 04:59 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 02:37 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 11:56 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 14:47 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-28 23:05 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-29 12:21 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-29 13:53 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-05-29 18:20 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-29 18:54 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-29 09:35 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 12:38 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-30 18:06 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-31 09:25 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 22:34 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-27 23:42 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 09:03 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 23:38 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 13:38 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 11:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-28 23:06 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-29 12:29 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-29 13:57 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-05-29 18:23 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-29 18:51 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-29 09:37 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 12:33 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 16:12 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 23:07 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 00:41 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-31 03:17 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:15 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 22:56 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 23:27 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-31 09:27 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 11:07 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-31 17:27 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 22:21 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-31 23:04 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-31 19:06 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-01 01:33 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-02 11:35 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 13:03 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-02 17:04 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 22:48 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-06-02 10:08 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 22:50 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 07:26 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 09:45 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 11:02 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 10:47 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 00:05 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 02:08 +0000
OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 10:40 +0100
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 11:45 +0100
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 13:07 +0000
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 12:58 +0000
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 15:02 +0100
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 19:16 +0000
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-04 10:13 +0000
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 18:46 +0000
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 00:41 +0100
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 05:04 +0000
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 11:52 +0100
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 20:06 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2025-06-03 12:23 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 08:11 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 02:03 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 06:14 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 09:02 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 17:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 19:20 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 04:10 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 11:56 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 18:26 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 20:36 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-04 19:10 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-05 09:41 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-07 01:36 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-08 17:41 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-08 18:22 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-08 21:27 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-08 21:26 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-04 01:28 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 12:13 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 19:10 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 09:01 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 13:24 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 15:37 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-04 10:35 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-04 01:26 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-06-04 06:13 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 12:13 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-04 20:50 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-06-06 18:35 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-07 01:06 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-07 01:05 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-06-02 07:20 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 08:41 +0100
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Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 10:17 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-06-02 09:57 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 12:56 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-06-03 00:08 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-02 17:44 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 22:51 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 00:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 08:12 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-04 01:17 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 12:06 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 01:56 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 08:22 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 17:58 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 19:22 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-03 18:32 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 04:48 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 11:49 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 19:28 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-04 01:22 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 12:11 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 23:09 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-02 11:30 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 13:02 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 01:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-03 04:12 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 13:26 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 15:51 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-06-03 15:50 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 00:09 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-03 21:57 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 04:16 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-04 10:29 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-06-04 06:45 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 12:48 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 22:56 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 19:32 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-04 10:25 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 12:19 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-04 15:08 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 16:40 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 18:43 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 23:01 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 18:39 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-03 00:26 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 01:47 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 00:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-06-02 21:24 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-03 00:54 -0400
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Re: OT: fascism, far-right Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2025-06-03 12:20 -0400
Re: OT: fascism, far-right Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2025-06-04 13:37 +0000
Re: OT: fascism, far-right The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 15:13 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-05-31 00:35 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-31 03:22 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-27 15:24 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:08 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-28 21:46 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-28 14:52 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-28 22:04 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 06:20 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 23:19 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 06:14 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 11:36 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 18:35 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 22:29 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-05-31 22:16 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 23:30 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-05-31 22:58 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-01 01:32 -0400
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Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-05-21 23:22 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2025-05-21 23:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-22 01:05 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-22 09:34 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-22 09:32 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-22 00:01 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-22 16:03 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-05-22 20:14 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-22 22:27 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-22 23:26 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-23 06:41 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-23 08:48 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2025-05-23 04:03 -0500
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-23 09:17 +0100
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-10 14:14 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces |
| Message-ID | <1029ek5$19mj3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68619 |
Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 15:34:29 -0700, John Ames wrote: >> >>> MDI is one of several solutions to an inherently clunky and >>> complicated UX problem: how do you manage a single application with >>> arbitrarily many documents, in a desktop environment with a bunch >>> of other stuff open as well? >> >>We already have plenty of solutions to that. Look at the dual >>concepts of “virtual desktops” and “activities” in KDE Plasma 6.x, >>for example. That allows you to switch between entire suites of >>document/application windows in a single operation. A feature (virtual desktops) which MS failed to provide natively until W10's release in July 2015 (easily about 20+ years after multiple X window managers provided the feature), and even then, in typical Microsoft fashion, they completely failed to understand the usefulness and built a half-assed amateur implementation. > That is something I have never understood, and have failed to find > example use cases: All documentation I found handles this feature in > half a paragraph, leaving it to the user to grasp the possible power > of the two-dimensional concept. Unfortunately, yes, the docs. are not so great regarding usecases. From the fvwm2 man page it is described as: Fvwm provides both a large virtual desktop and multiple disjoint desktops which can be used separately or together. The virtual desktop allows you to pretend that your video screen is really quite large, and you can scroll around within the desktop. The multiple disjoint desktops allow you to pretend that you really have several screens to work at, but each screen is completely unrelated to the others. And a bit further on: THE VIRTUAL DESKTOP Fvwm provides multiple virtual desktops for users who wish to use them. The screen is a viewport onto a desktop which may be larger than the screen. Several distinct desktops can be accessed (concept: one desktop for each project, or one desktop for each application, when view applications are distinct). Since each desktop can be larger than the physical screen, divided into m by n pages which are each the size of the physical screen, windows which are larger than the screen or large groups of related windows can easily be viewed. The (m by n) size (i.e. number of pages) of the virtual desktops can be changed any time, by using the DesktopSize command. All virtual desktops must be (are) the same size. The total number of distinct desktops does not need to be specified, but is limited to approximately 4 billion total. All windows on a range of desktops can be viewed in the FvwmPager, a miniature view of the desktops. The pager is an accessory program, called a module, which is not essential for the window manager to operate. Windows may also be listed using the WindowList command or the FvwmIconMan module. Fvwm keeps the windows on the desktop in a layered stacking order; a window in a lower layer never obscures a window in a higher layer. The layer of a window can be changed by using the Layer command. The concept of layers is a generalization of the StaysOnTop flag of older fvwm versions. The StaysOnTop and StaysPut Style options are now implemented by putting the windows in suitable layers and the previously missing StaysOnBottom Style option has been added. Sticky windows are windows which transcend the virtual desktop by "Sticking to the screen's glass". They always stay put on the screen. This is convenient for things like clocks and xbiffs, so you only need to run one such gadget and it always stays with you. Icons can also be made to stick to the glass, if desired. The 30 second elevator pitch is it provides some portion of the advantage of multiple monitors, whether or not one has multiple monitors connected. In Fvwm2's version, it also adds the ability to pretend to have a much larger monitor surface than one really has (was more useful back in the day when photo viewers did not include "resize to screen" as an automatic default). The use I put them to (I have my Fvwm2 config providing six copies of my two monitors, arranged in the pager as a 2 wide by three tall rectange. And the individual copies of the pair of monitors loosely have different "work" occurring in each. I do a fair amount of video editing, so one virtual desktop has all the windows/apps used for that task on it. A second contains most of my Firefox windows (although Firefox windows get opened in other desktops as needed). A third desktop has my Firefox windows and other terminals/apps for eBay and Craigslist sales. So if I'm just 'web browsing' I'm usually on the virtual desk with most of the Firefox windows (with none of the video editing or eBay/Craigslist windows in the way). But if I'm video editing, I switch to the video editing desktop, and all the 'general web browsing' windows disappear and all the video editing tools windows appear (each left where I placed it). I.e., it reduces the total "clutter" by giving you seperate "monitor copies" upon which to park groups of related windows for a given task, and then quickly switch back and forth. A virtual version of the hobbiest who does both woodworking and electronics, and has one workbench setup only for woodworking, and a second workbench setup only for electronics. Except in that world that requires two physical workbenches and the space to set them up. The equivalent in the virtual world would be like the hobbiest having a pair of buttons on the front of a single workbench, push one button and the workbench would transform into "wood working workbench" (somehow), push the other button and the workbench would transform into "electronics workbench". But none of the woodworking tools are in the way while using the electronics bench, and none of the electronics tools are in the way when using the woodworking workbench. >>MDI is inherently clunky because Microsoft chose to impose the stupid UI >>convention that there must be a top-level “application window” to contain >>all the application-specific “document windows”. No other GUI is built >>that way. > > They did that 30 years ago and did pioneering work in this regard, > just to reduce the blame we put on them today. I chalked it up to them being 30 years too late in finally copying yet another good idea from Xwindows window managers into their crappy OS product. Much of what is there since Win95 has been nothing more than them ripping off ideas from Xwindows window managers, and then half assing their version by failing to understand the full usefulness in most instances.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-06-10 09:16 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces |
| Message-ID | <1029loc$195ok$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68632 |
On 6/10/25 07:14, Rich wrote: > Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 15:34:29 -0700, John Ames wrote: >>> >>>> MDI is one of several solutions to an inherently clunky and >>>> complicated UX problem: how do you manage a single application with >>>> arbitrarily many documents, in a desktop environment with a bunch >>>> of other stuff open as well? >>> >>> We already have plenty of solutions to that. Look at the dual >>> concepts of “virtual desktops” and “activities” in KDE Plasma 6.x, >>> for example. That allows you to switch between entire suites of >>> document/application windows in a single operation. > > A feature (virtual desktops) which MS failed to provide natively until > W10's release in July 2015 (easily about 20+ years after multiple X > window managers provided the feature), and even then, in typical > Microsoft fashion, they completely failed to understand the usefulness > and built a half-assed amateur implementation. > >> That is something I have never understood, and have failed to find >> example use cases: All documentation I found handles this feature in >> half a paragraph, leaving it to the user to grasp the possible power >> of the two-dimensional concept. > > Unfortunately, yes, the docs. are not so great regarding usecases. > From the fvwm2 man page it is described as: > > Fvwm provides both a large virtual desktop and multiple disjoint > desktops which can be used separately or together. The virtual > desktop allows you to pretend that your video screen is really quite > large, and you can scroll around within the desktop. The multiple > disjoint desktops allow you to pretend that you really have several > screens to work at, but each screen is completely unrelated to the > others. > > And a bit further on: > > THE VIRTUAL DESKTOP > Fvwm provides multiple virtual desktops for users who wish to use them. > The screen is a viewport onto a desktop which may be larger than the > screen. Several distinct desktops can be accessed (concept: one > desktop for each project, or one desktop for each application, when > view applications are distinct). Since each desktop can be larger than > the physical screen, divided into m by n pages which are each the size > of the physical screen, windows which are larger than the screen or > large groups of related windows can easily be viewed. > > The (m by n) size (i.e. number of pages) of the virtual desktops can be > changed any time, by using the DesktopSize command. All virtual > desktops must be (are) the same size. The total number of distinct > desktops does not need to be specified, but is limited to approximately > 4 billion total. All windows on a range of desktops can be viewed in > the FvwmPager, a miniature view of the desktops. The pager is an > accessory program, called a module, which is not essential for the > window manager to operate. Windows may also be listed using the > WindowList command or the FvwmIconMan module. > > Fvwm keeps the windows on the desktop in a layered stacking order; a > window in a lower layer never obscures a window in a higher layer. The > layer of a window can be changed by using the Layer command. The > concept of layers is a generalization of the StaysOnTop flag of older > fvwm versions. The StaysOnTop and StaysPut Style options are now > implemented by putting the windows in suitable layers and the > previously missing StaysOnBottom Style option has been added. > > Sticky windows are windows which transcend the virtual desktop by > "Sticking to the screen's glass". They always stay put on the screen. > This is convenient for things like clocks and xbiffs, so you only need > to run one such gadget and it always stays with you. Icons can also be > made to stick to the glass, if desired. > > The 30 second elevator pitch is it provides some portion of the > advantage of multiple monitors, whether or not one has multiple > monitors connected. > > In Fvwm2's version, it also adds the ability to pretend to have a much > larger monitor surface than one really has (was more useful back in the > day when photo viewers did not include "resize to screen" as an > automatic default). > > The use I put them to (I have my Fvwm2 config providing six copies of > my two monitors, arranged in the pager as a 2 wide by three tall > rectange. And the individual copies of the pair of monitors loosely > have different "work" occurring in each. I do a fair amount of video > editing, so one virtual desktop has all the windows/apps used for that task on > it. A second contains most of my Firefox windows (although Firefox > windows get opened in other desktops as needed). A third desktop has > my Firefox windows and other terminals/apps for eBay and Craigslist > sales. > > So if I'm just 'web browsing' I'm usually on the virtual desk with most > of the Firefox windows (with none of the video editing or > eBay/Craigslist windows in the way). But if I'm video editing, I > switch to the video editing desktop, and all the 'general web browsing' > windows disappear and all the video editing tools windows appear (each > left where I placed it). > > I.e., it reduces the total "clutter" by giving you seperate "monitor > copies" upon which to park groups of related windows for a given task, > and then quickly switch back and forth. > > A virtual version of the hobbiest who does both woodworking and > electronics, and has one workbench setup only for woodworking, and a > second workbench setup only for electronics. Except in that world that > requires two physical workbenches and the space to set them up. The > equivalent in the virtual world would be like the hobbiest having a > pair of buttons on the front of a single workbench, push one button and > the workbench would transform into "wood working workbench" (somehow), push > the other button and the workbench would transform into "electronics > workbench". But none of the woodworking tools are in the way while > using the electronics bench, and none of the electronics tools are in > the way when using the woodworking workbench. > >>> MDI is inherently clunky because Microsoft chose to impose the stupid UI >>> convention that there must be a top-level “application window” to contain >>> all the application-specific “document windows”. No other GUI is built >>> that way. >> >> They did that 30 years ago and did pioneering work in this regard, >> just to reduce the blame we put on them today. > > I chalked it up to them being 30 years too late in finally copying yet > another good idea from Xwindows window managers into their crappy OS > product. Much of what is there since Win95 has been nothing more than > them ripping off ideas from Xwindows window managers, and then half > assing their version by failing to understand the full usefulness in > most instances. You guys forget Xerox PARC, which Apple acknowledged and the Amiga which was way ahead of the rest but got left behind because of the people who took it away from Jack Tramiel who then bought Atari. But I was an Amigan as soon as the used prices fell into my financial range and it had preemptive multi-tasking and its own graphics chips. The person who took it away from Tramiel was a financier and sold off the stock and plants. Plants were contaminated by the chemicals used in those days as is a good part of the Silly Valley. But even before the WWW was accessible to us the Amiga was like having an extra room in my studio apartment. BBSes were handy and we had a lot in calling range then. bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2025.06- Linux 6.12.32-pclos1- KDE Plasma 5.27.11
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-10 23:45 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces |
| Message-ID | <102ag3f$1icjg$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68639 |
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 09:16:11 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > You guys forget Xerox PARC, which Apple acknowledged and the Amiga > which was way ahead of the rest but got left behind ... The Amiga had multiple “desktops”, which were really just different screen modes because different apps wanted to run in different modes and this was the only way to let them coexist. The “Copper” display chip was clever in being able to switch modes between one scan line and the next, but that limited the desktop stacking to only being doable vertically. In other words, it worked the way it did because of hardware limitations, not because it was a good way to design a UI.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-06 21:02 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) |
| Message-ID | <nHI0Q.57890$00L5.13764@fx41.iad> |
| In reply to | #68401 |
On 2025-06-05, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Thu, 5 Jun 2025 08:45:47 -0700, John Ames wrote: > >> ... but it's illustrative of the GIMP team's overall approach to UI >> matters: blindly copy what better designers do in a surface >> approximation, without bothering to understand *why* or study the >> details to get things really *right.* > > You’re assuming that the ones who come up with the ideas are actually > doing user-interface testing. You really think Adobe, Apple, Microsoft > and others are doing that nowadays? Certainly - but only as far as getting users to say, "Ooooh, shiny!" Once they've accomplished that, they're done; sales are assured. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-06 15:03 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces |
| Message-ID | <101uvv4$2aqs7$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68390 |
John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, 4 Jun 2025 23:14:33 -0000 (UTC) > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> *Yawn* Or more likely, you took one look at an early version of GIMP >> 27 years ago, dismissed it, and have been complaining about it >> without actually trying it again ever since. > > That would be a convenient narrative for you, but no - I first picked it > up with v.2 when I was looking for a *nix-native Photoshop alternative, > and it was certainly the case then. I've been using it ever since (as > the version of Photoshop I had was clunky under WINE,) but I gave up on > getting any kind of comparable workflow going for digital art. > > That became irrelevant as I moved to more traditional media, which > worked out for me, but it's illustrative of the GIMP team's overall > approach to UI matters: blindly copy what better designers do in a > surface approximation, without bothering to understand *why* or study > the details to get things really *right.* Sounds a lot like when MS copies good UI ideas from other areas, then half-asses their version in winblows. And then, of course, a giant horde of lacking-knowledge-users then espouse how great MS's half-assed effort was. > which is why working professionals just trying to Get Shit Done are > still willing to put up with Adobe's draconian bullshit. "Working Professionals" also apply a cost/benefit ratio process to. They already "know" Photoshop inside out, so they know they can produce one contract job every day with PS with no problems. Or, they could save the Adobe draconian costs, switch to GIMP, and spend a week (or two weeks) relearning how to be as productive in GIMP. But they just lost 14 contracts worth of pay in doing so. And are behind by the same number. So most never see a positive cost benefit ratio (at least short term) in the effort of making the switch. Couple that with fears (reasonable or otherwise) of GIMP failing to read/write PhotoShop files correctly (resulting in trouble receiving/sending work to/from clients) and they decide it simply isn't worth it to them. Plus, should GIMP omit some critical feature they do use in PhotoShop, then they are stuck with all that effort and having to continue with Photoshop in the end anyway.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-06-06 00:09 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) |
| Message-ID | <NcOdnbfyE7eX99_1nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #68363 |
On 6/4/25 7:14 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Wed, 4 Jun 2025 08:48:26 -0700, John Ames wrote: > >> On Wed, 4 Jun 2025 00:15:36 -0000 (UTC) >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> I fired up GIMP 3 and had a quick look round at several dialogs. I >>> simply could not find any examples of what you’re talking about. >> >> I'll be damned - looks like they *finally* started paying attention to >> this in v.3. Only took 'em 27 years! > > *Yawn* Or more likely, you took one look at an early version of GIMP 27 > years ago, dismissed it, and have been complaining about it without > actually trying it again ever since. Look, it's FREEware .... don't bitch. GIMP is a 'labor of love'. >> Fitts' Law is exactly what makes such a thing comically redundant: the >> main menu is *already there,* right within mouse-flick range. > > Only if it’s on the edge of the screen. Otherwise it is slow to get to. On the whole, I think PhotoShop is a speck better and easier to navigate. However it's also $$$ and only runs on the most money-grubbing control-freak operating systems.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-05 10:46 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces |
| Message-ID | <101rp25$1et04$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68255 |
On 2025-06-03, John Ames wrote: > (I'd also cite, as another example, that they have no idea what the > point of context menus is, either - right-clicking in the document > window brings up a *whole entire copy* of the main-window menu tree > hanging off the mouse pointer, which is utterly bonkers from a > usability standpoint - but I'd have to go back to check and make sure > that they didn't finally do something at least marginally saner since I > last looked.) Chronologically, what's out of place here is the main-window having a menu, or there even being a main window. This is the way GIMP used to work. But yeah, that now looks a bit more confusing to me, because of there being the two approaches. Someday I should sit down and read through documentation to see if I'm missing something about the new UI design. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-06-05 08:54 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces |
| Message-ID | <20250605085454.00003527@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #68374 |
On Thu, 05 Jun 2025 10:46:45 +0100 Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: > Chronologically, what's out of place here is the main-window having a > menu, or there even being a main window. This is the way GIMP used to > work. Either way you slice it, it's weird and superfluous - even in multi- window mode, the document windows have their own copies of the menu bar right there, and it's only the toolbox that's shared. Which, fair enough (you can't rely on a Mac-style shared menu bar when almost no other desktop environments provide that - Amiga is the only one that springs to mind,) but it still shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what context menus are *for.*
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-05 23:46 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces |
| Message-ID | <101ta8m$1qu8n$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68391 |
On Thu, 5 Jun 2025 08:54:54 -0700, John Ames wrote: > Either way you slice it, it's weird and superfluous ... I don’t think so. The menus at the top are readily visible and discoverable, for those who need cues to click on something. But some have right-click muscle memory, so the alternative mechanism caters for them. This is all basic UI 101 stuff. Or should be, nowadays. You are not the only one complaining that GIMP isn’t exactly a 100% drop- in replacement for Photoshop, some kind of “I Can’t Believe It’s Not Photoshop” that you can simply switch in without users even noticing. It was never intended to be that way, and it never will. Its developers -- and more importantly, its community -- will always have different ideas about how to do things.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-29 19:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m9rpa3F8ss8U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #67909 |
On Thu, 29 May 2025 12:07:32 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote: > On 2025-05-28, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> On Wed, 28 May 2025 12:06:51 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote: >> >>> I was reading some discussion on the Fedora forum for devs, about >>> removing X11. Linux's big problem, is that developers just don't >>> really consider end users, but themselves and their vision. >> >> Ubuntu 26.04 is supposed to be Wayland only. No more xclock! > > Wayland only? Or Wayland just by default? I can imagine that X11 won't > be part of the base install, but are they removing it completely? > > I'm sticking with X11 until it is no longer viable. https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2025/05/gnome-dropping-x11-support-ubuntu- impact It depends on how much pain Ubuntu will go through to support X11 if GNOME strips it completely. The last sentence in the article sums it up. We've tried the carrot and people are hanging onto a system drifting into irrelevancy. Break out the big stick.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-28 23:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <101856u$3fruv$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #67847 |
On Wed, 28 May 2025 12:06:51 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote: > Linux's big problem, is that developers just don't really > consider end users, but themselves and their vision. Passive end users, no matter how numerous and no matter how loudly they complain, are not part of the Free Software community. The community lives and dies by those who actually make some active contribution to it.
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| From | Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-29 12:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn103gjdt.19bc.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> |
| In reply to | #67871 |
On 2025-05-28, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Wed, 28 May 2025 12:06:51 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote: > >> Linux's big problem, is that developers just don't really >> consider end users, but themselves and their vision. > > Passive end users, no matter how numerous and no matter how loudly they > complain, are not part of the Free Software community. The community lives > and dies by those who actually make some active contribution to it. And Passiave users can become active users. People contribute to OS's they use, so usefulness is always a factor. Companies contribute because its worth their while. Having users makes it worthwhile.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-29 09:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <20250529095532.0000093e@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #67871 |
On Wed, 28 May 2025 23:11:26 -0000 (UTC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > > Linux's big problem, is that developers just don't really > > consider end users, but themselves and their vision. > > Passive end users, no matter how numerous and no matter how loudly > they complain, are not part of the Free Software community. ...and then the "Free Software community" complains that end users stick with the companies that at least (sometimes) (badly) *pretend* to care about their needs...
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-29 23:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <101as1e$45fl$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #67928 |
On Thu, 29 May 2025 09:55:32 -0700, John Ames wrote: > On Wed, 28 May 2025 23:11:26 -0000 (UTC) > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >>> Linux's big problem, is that developers just don't really consider >>> end users, but themselves and their vision. >> >> Passive end users, no matter how numerous and no matter how loudly they >> complain, are not part of the Free Software community. > > ...and then the "Free Software community" complains that end users stick > with the companies that at least (sometimes) (badly) *pretend* to care > about their needs... Gee, I wonder where you can find such complaints from the Free Software community. All the ones I’ve seen so far are from those too used to the way proprietary software works, and who can’t handle the range of choice that Free Software offers. And who can’t actually be bothered to be an active part of that community.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-29 15:39 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <m9r6d2F4fbhU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #67847 |
On 2025-05-28 14:06, Borax Man wrote:
> On 2025-05-28, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 28/05/2025 08:26, Marc Haber wrote:
>>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>>> CURRENTLY - I think the Linux universe has become just
>>>> TOO diverse. More standardization would be a longer
>>>> term advantage.
>>>
>>> systemd tried that and divided the worlds even more.
>>>
>> Oh, in the end like X windows, people will spend ten times as many man
>> hours getting systemd to work, and documenting it, as that little shit
>> Poettering spent in writing it.
>> Because development, uniformity and documentaion is far more important
>> than excellence.
>
> I was reading some discussion on the Fedora forum for devs, about
> removing X11. Linux's big problem, is that developers just don't really
> consider end users, but themselves and their vision.
Aye. Sorry to agree.
>
> Linus seems a bit out of place. He's rule for the Linux kernel, the
> only hard rule, is don't break userspace. The user matters. The user
> is everything.
>
> Poettering joked that he broke our audio. These cowboys need to be kept
> away from the OS.
>
> The user matters. The whole point of the OS, of all this endeavour, is
> to serve the user, and allow the user to do what they want.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-29 23:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <101artv$45fl$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #67917 |
On Thu, 29 May 2025 15:39:46 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> Linux's big problem, is that developers just don't >> really consider end users, but themselves and their vision. > > Aye. Sorry to agree. Maybe you should consider supporting developers who have a different vision?
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-05-29 23:07 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <eVCdncKeK66TvKT1nZ2dnZfqn_YAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #67953 |
On 5/29/25 7:51 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 29 May 2025 15:39:46 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > >>> Linux's big problem, is that developers just don't >>> really consider end users, but themselves and their vision. >> >> Aye. Sorry to agree. > > Maybe you should consider supporting developers who have a different > vision? GOOD idea ... but how to set it up, get developers to USE such a forum ??? Note too that 'users' want EVERYTHING, but losing NOTHING. Most are NOT tekkies, do not realize when you can't get there from here.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-05-28 23:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Iz2dnZbjA5igTqr1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #67834 |
On 5/28/25 3:26 AM, Marc Haber wrote: > c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> CURRENTLY - I think the Linux universe has become just >> TOO diverse. More standardization would be a longer >> term advantage. > > systemd tried that and divided the worlds even more. Systemd wasn't the "best" unity tactic, IMHO. I know some HATE it ... but I'm more agnostic. It does have its uses, does simplify a lot of things. Sometimes I use its features, sometimes I don't. In any case, systemd does NOT seem to be of such evil intent as the Winders registry. As for 'un-necessary' distros, normally they do not get broad traction and soon disappear. The current quad of more-or-less Deb/RH/Arch/Slack IS big enough for almost everybody AND allows developers to better concentrate their efforts. TOO much diversity is as bad/wasteful as too little.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-29 09:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <20250529095152.00007ef7@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #67881 |
On Wed, 28 May 2025 23:23:12 -0400 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > In any case, systemd does NOT seem to be of such evil intent as the > Winders registry. I heartily disagree. It's MS-style embrace-extend-exterminate digging its tendrils right down into core system functionality, assimilating an ungodly number of random functions for no defensible reason and placing both configuration and logging behind proprietary formats that require specific utilities to access.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-29 23:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <101asaj$45fl$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #67927 |
On Thu, 29 May 2025 09:51:52 -0700, John Ames wrote: > [systemd is] MS-style embrace-extend-exterminate digging > its tendrils right down into core system functionality, assimilating an > ungodly number of random functions for no defensible reason and placing > both configuration and logging behind proprietary formats that require > specific utilities to access. What a load of nonsense. All the code is open-source, all the formats are documented. The config files especially, are based on the classic declarative INI text file format -- much easier to create, maintain and understand than the old boilerplate-ridden sysvinit scripts. And the code is fully modular. The only irreducible core is the init process (PID 1) and the journal. Everything else is optional.
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