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  Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-14 22:49 +0200
    Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-14 17:30 -0400
      Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-15 00:17 +0200
        Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-14 18:30 -0400
          Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-15 12:49 +0200
            Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux wimpunk <wimpunk+news@gmail.com> - 2019-08-19 16:21 +0200
              Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-19 16:27 +0100
                Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-19 23:10 +0200
                  Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2019-08-19 23:50 +0200
                    Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-20 22:58 +0200
                      Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2019-08-21 16:37 +0200
                        Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 00:57 +0200
                          Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2019-08-22 07:37 +0200
                        Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2019-08-21 21:37 -0600
                          Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2019-08-22 07:35 +0200
                  Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-08-19 15:26 -0700
                    Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-08-19 18:52 -0400
                      Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-20 23:03 +0200
                        Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-08-20 17:55 -0400
                          Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-21 11:32 +0200
                            Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-08-21 07:13 -0400
                              Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 00:44 +0200
                            Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-08-21 07:42 -0400
                              Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 00:28 +0200
                            Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-08-21 15:43 +0000
                              Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 00:30 +0200
                        Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-21 17:53 +0100
                          Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-08-21 18:53 +0000
                            Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 00:53 +0200
                              Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-08-22 02:33 +0000
                                Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2019-08-21 22:24 -0500
                                Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-24 09:42 +0200
                          Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 00:48 +0200
                    Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-20 22:58 +0200
    Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-08-14 17:56 -0400
    Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-08-14 15:23 -0700
      Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-15 12:52 +0200
        Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-08-15 07:14 -0700
        Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2019-08-15 17:33 +0200
          Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-15 17:57 +0200
            Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux jrg <jeff.g.group@att.net> - 2019-08-15 10:24 -0700
              Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-15 19:40 +0200
                Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@sympatico.ca> - 2019-08-15 15:09 -0400
                  Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-15 21:33 +0200
                    Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@sympatico.ca> - 2019-08-15 16:03 -0400
                      Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-15 22:17 +0200
              Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2019-08-15 12:53 -0600
                Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-15 21:33 +0200
            Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-15 15:42 -0400
    Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2019-08-14 19:33 -0600
    Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-08-14 23:52 -0400
    Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Chris Elvidge <chris@mshome.net> - 2019-08-15 11:35 +0200
    Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2019-08-31 02:15 +1000
      Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-08-30 20:24 -0400
      Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-08-31 03:54 +0000
        Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-08-31 00:03 -0400
          Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2019-09-02 13:37 +1000
            Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-09-02 19:54 -0400
              Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2019-09-04 19:37 +1000
        Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2019-09-02 13:34 +1000

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#27869

On 8/15/19 8:57 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

<snip>

> I know, something is wrong.

aioe is carrying both, per Tbird.  I know that alt. is troll infested 
having followed it once - my killfile was ridiculous.  pascal I wouldn't 
know but I wouldn't be surprised if it was kinda slow - folks still use 
pascal?  :)

Back in the day Tbird used to have problems with corruption of the the 
.msf files related to each group - they are in your profile folder sub 
/news.  You could try and delete each of these and the one for the 
supplier as well after stopping the program.  Tbird will rebuild them 
after restarting - you will have to put up with reloading a bunch of 
read messages - adjust with the download messages dialog.  I haven't 
seen this in some time but its not unknown.

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#27870

On 15/08/2019 19.24, jrg wrote:
> On 8/15/19 8:57 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>> I know, something is wrong.
> 
> aioe is carrying both, per Tbird.  I know that alt. is troll infested
> having followed it once - my killfile was ridiculous.  pascal I wouldn't
> know but I wouldn't be surprised if it was kinda slow - folks still use
> pascal?  :)

I do, yes. But the traffic was negligible.

> 
> Back in the day Tbird used to have problems with corruption of the the
> .msf files related to each group - they are in your profile folder sub
> /news.  You could try and delete each of these and the one for the
> supplier as well after stopping the program.  Tbird will rebuild them
> after restarting - you will have to put up with reloading a bunch of
> read messages - adjust with the download messages dialog.  I haven't
> seen this in some time but its not unknown.

Yes, but the two folders for those groups no longer show. It seems
leafnode is not polling aioe for some reason. I'll have to recheck the
configuration.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#27872

On 2019-08-15 1:40 p.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
> Yes, but the two folders for those groups no longer show. It seems
> leafnode is not polling aioe for some reason. I'll have to recheck the
> configuration.

Leafnode will only fetch groups for which there has been activity in a
certain amount of time.  (I think it's a week by default.)

From the archives of the two groups in question, it looks like there was
no activity in either of them for a period of a few weeks.  So it is not
surprising that your leafnode installation dropped them, which is why
Thunderbird thinks they no longer exist.

The leafnode documentation suggests several possible workarounds such as
lengthening the timeout period in leafnode's configuration file, always
running fetchnews with the -n option to prevent it from dropping groups,
or using a nightly cron job to touch the relevant files.  Read that
documentation and implement one of the solutions to prevent the problem
from happening again.

To fix the immediate problem, it's probably sufficient to create empty
files in /var/spool/news/interesting_groups for each of the missing
groups.  Then run fetchnews so that leafnode can do it's thing, and
Thunderbird should once again see the groups.

You have to fix the problem with leafnode before worrying about Thunderbird.

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#27874

On 15/08/2019 21.09, John-Paul Stewart wrote:
> On 2019-08-15 1:40 p.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>> Yes, but the two folders for those groups no longer show. It seems
>> leafnode is not polling aioe for some reason. I'll have to recheck the
>> configuration.
> 
> Leafnode will only fetch groups for which there has been activity in a
> certain amount of time.  (I think it's a week by default.)
> 
> From the archives of the two groups in question, it looks like there was
> no activity in either of them for a period of a few weeks.  So it is not
> surprising that your leafnode installation dropped them, which is why
> Thunderbird thinks they no longer exist.

Yes.

But in this case, subscribing to them would present an empty group with
a place holder message. Clicking on it would activate leafnode fetching
it again.

This is not happening, Thunderbird does not see the group at all. Can
not even subscribe to it.

> 
> The leafnode documentation suggests several possible workarounds such as
> lengthening the timeout period in leafnode's configuration file, always
> running fetchnews with the -n option to prevent it from dropping groups,
> or using a nightly cron job to touch the relevant files.  Read that
> documentation and implement one of the solutions to prevent the problem
> from happening again.
> 
> To fix the immediate problem, it's probably sufficient to create empty
> files in /var/spool/news/interesting_groups for each of the missing
> groups.

They exist.

The directory "/var/spool/news/alt/comp/os/linux/" also exists and is
populated. Same for "/var/spool/news/alt/comp/lang/pascal/".

> Then run fetchnews so that leafnode can do it's thing, and
> Thunderbird should once again see the groups.

It doesn't...



-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#27876

On 2019-08-15 3:33 p.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 15/08/2019 21.09, John-Paul Stewart wrote:
>>
>> To fix the immediate problem, it's probably sufficient to create empty
>> files in /var/spool/news/interesting_groups for each of the missing
>> groups.
> 
> They exist.

What are their timestamps?  Use the 'stat' command to check that their
change times are in the last week, otherwise leafnode will think the
groups are no longer active.

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#27877

On 15/08/2019 22.03, John-Paul Stewart wrote:
> On 2019-08-15 3:33 p.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 15/08/2019 21.09, John-Paul Stewart wrote:
>>>
>>> To fix the immediate problem, it's probably sufficient to create empty
>>> files in /var/spool/news/interesting_groups for each of the missing
>>> groups.
>>
>> They exist.
> 
> What are their timestamps?  Use the 'stat' command to check that their
> change times are in the last week, otherwise leafnode will think the
> groups are no longer active.

I'll touch alt.comp.os.linux and see.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#27871

On 8/15/19 11:24 AM, jrg wrote:
> Back in the day Tbird used to have problems with corruption of the the 
> ..msf files related to each group - they are in your profile folder sub 
> /news.
I still occasionally experience that in modern versions of Thunderbird.

> You could try and delete each of these and the one for the supplier 
> as well after stopping the program.  Tbird will rebuild them after 
> restarting - you will have to put up with reloading a bunch of read 
> messages - adjust with the download messages dialog.  I haven't seen 
> this in some time but its not unknown.

You can actually tell Thunderbird to repair the folders.

Right click on the newsgroup, click properties, click "repair folder" on 
the General Information tab.



-- 
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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#27873

On 15/08/2019 20.53, Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 8/15/19 11:24 AM, jrg wrote:
>> Back in the day Tbird used to have problems with corruption of the the
>> ..msf files related to each group - they are in your profile folder
>> sub /news.
> I still occasionally experience that in modern versions of Thunderbird.
> 
>> You could try and delete each of these and the one for the supplier as
>> well after stopping the program.  Tbird will rebuild them after
>> restarting - you will have to put up with reloading a bunch of read
>> messages - adjust with the download messages dialog.  I haven't seen
>> this in some time but its not unknown.
> 
> You can actually tell Thunderbird to repair the folders.
> 
> Right click on the newsgroup, click properties, click "repair folder" on
> the General Information tab.

The newsgroup no longer exists in Th.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#27875

On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:57:36 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
> On 15/08/2019 17.33, dillinger wrote:
>> 
>> Something must be wrong with your leafnode, you can try fetchnews -f
>
> I know, something is wrong.

Oh leafnode. I used that a decade or two ago. And now the problem sounds
familiar but I cannot remember anymore how I solved it.
-- 
Andreas

My random thoughts and comments
https://news-commentaries.blogspot.com/

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#27861

On 8/14/19 2:49 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 2) Have those groups really disappeared?

I don't know what their official status is.

My news servers have then and have messages from August 2nd & 6th 
(respective to your email).

the alt.* hierarchy is nebulous and I'm not sure there is anything 
official about it.

It sounds like the news server that you use may have stopped carrying 
them.  I have no idea why.



-- 
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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#27862

Carlos E.R. wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Since some days ago Thunderbird insists that the groups
> alt.comp.os.linux (and alt.comp.lang.pascal) do not exist and wants to
> unsubscribe from them. I hit cancel, but after a while it asks again.
> 
> 1) How can I make it stop? Because I see those groups in the lists of
> groups to subscribe to. Asking once is enough, I said no. Asking a
> hundred times a day...
> 
> And the directory /var/spool/news/alt/comp/os/linux is populated with
> old messages (I use leafnode), so the group does exist on the server.
> 
> 2) Have those groups really disappeared?
> 

Does this newsserver have an administrator ?

Because that's how you get alt.* entries put back.

Normally, group removal is related to the level of traffic
measured in a group. If a group has only spam in it, and no
topical posts, an administrator who is bored and is doing
alt.* cleanup can remove it. For server admins who run
*.support newsgroups, you can post to such a group and
ask them "WTF are you doing?" and so on.

I don't know if this server has a *.support style newsgroup or not.
Maybe you'll have to contact the administrator (politely)
via the email address. Assuming the email address
still works of course.

https://news.individual.net/contact.php

An administrator might have strong views on "naming conventions"
for newsgroups. Yet we have

    alt.english.usage
    alt.usage.english

on servers and nobody seems to be put off by that. I'm sure
there is a "story" behind that one...

    Paul

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#27863

On 14/08/2019 22:49, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Since some days ago Thunderbird insists that the groups
> alt.comp.os.linux (and alt.comp.lang.pascal) do not exist and wants to
> unsubscribe from them. I hit cancel, but after a while it asks again.
> 
> 1) How can I make it stop? Because I see those groups in the lists of
> groups to subscribe to. Asking once is enough, I said no. Asking a
> hundred times a day...
> 
> And the directory /var/spool/news/alt/comp/os/linux is populated with
> old messages (I use leafnode), so the group does exist on the server.
> 
> 2) Have those groups really disappeared?
> 
Nothing to do with Thunderbird. It's your news server "at fault". Try 
eternal-september.


-- 

Chris Elvidge, England

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#28056

  Sorry for the late reply. I don't think anyone else has touched on
(what I think is) the problem, so here goes...

Groovy hepcat Carlos E.R. was jivin' in alt.os.linux on Thu, 15 Aug 2019
06:49 am. It's a cool scene! Dig it.

> Since some days ago Thunderbird insists that the groups
> alt.comp.os.linux (and alt.comp.lang.pascal) do not exist and wants to
> unsubscribe from them. I hit cancel, but after a while it asks again.
> 
> 1) How can I make it stop? Because I see those groups in the lists of
> groups to subscribe to. Asking once is enough, I said no. Asking a
> hundred times a day...
> 
> And the directory /var/spool/news/alt/comp/os/linux is populated with
> old messages (I use leafnode), so the group does exist on the server.

  I've had similar problems with leafnode. It insists on removing groups
that haven't had any attention for a while. It does this by removing
them from /var/spool/news/interesting.groups/. They're just empty
files, existing only to tell leafnode which newsgroups to download. But
for some reason these files keep disappearing. This is very irritating!
There doesn't seem to be an elegant way to stop this behaviour. I've
tried making all files in this directory read only, as well as creating
a script to make sure these files exist whenever I run fetchnews. It is
as follows:

===============================================
#!/bin/bash

while read ng
do
  touch /var/spool/news/interesting.groups/$ng
done < /usr/local/etc/newsgroups.txt

chmod 440 /var/spool/news/interesting.groups/*
===============================================

  This must be run as root, and the file /usr/local/etc/newsgroups.txt,
which it reads, must contain the list of newsgroups you want, one per
line. I run fetchnews from another script that first calls this script.

> 2) Have those groups really disappeared?

  From your leafnode setup, yes.

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#28057

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 12:15:13 -0400, Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> wrote:

>   I've had similar problems with leafnode. It insists on removing groups

 From man fetchnews ...
-n     Do not expire newsgroup subscriptions. Technically: do not unlink files in the interesting.groups directory.

I run sudo /usr/sbin/fetchnews -vvv -n
and have a line in /etc/sudoers with ...
dave ALL = (root) NOPASSWD: /usr/local/sbin/fetchnews -vvv -n

Regards, Dave Hodgins

-- 
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#28060

On 2019-08-30, Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> wrote:
>   Sorry for the late reply. I don't think anyone else has touched on
> (what I think is) the problem, so here goes...
>
> Groovy hepcat Carlos E.R. was jivin' in alt.os.linux on Thu, 15 Aug 2019
> 06:49 am. It's a cool scene! Dig it.
>
>> Since some days ago Thunderbird insists that the groups
>> alt.comp.os.linux (and alt.comp.lang.pascal) do not exist and wants to
>> unsubscribe from them. I hit cancel, but after a while it asks again.
>> 
>> 1) How can I make it stop? Because I see those groups in the lists of
>> groups to subscribe to. Asking once is enough, I said no. Asking a
>> hundred times a day...
>> 
>> And the directory /var/spool/news/alt/comp/os/linux is populated with
>> old messages (I use leafnode), so the group does exist on the server.
>
>   I've had similar problems with leafnode. It insists on removing groups
> that haven't had any attention for a while. It does this by removing
> them from /var/spool/news/interesting.groups/. They're just empty

How about running a cron job once a day which does
touch /var/spool/news/interesting.groups/*
This will put the date of all those files to the current time. The only
way leafnode could tell that they have or have not received attention is
by looking at the date on those files. It presumably does something like
the above for each group that it downloads. 

> files, existing only to tell leafnode which newsgroups to download. But
> for some reason these files keep disappearing. This is very irritating!
> There doesn't seem to be an elegant way to stop this behaviour. I've
> tried making all files in this directory read only, as well as creating
> a script to make sure these files exist whenever I run fetchnews. It is
> as follows:
>
>===============================================
> #!/bin/bash
>
> while read ng
> do
>   touch /var/spool/news/interesting.groups/$ng
> done < /usr/local/etc/newsgroups.txt
>
> chmod 440 /var/spool/news/interesting.groups/*
>===============================================
>
>   This must be run as root, and the file /usr/local/etc/newsgroups.txt,
> which it reads, must contain the list of newsgroups you want, one per
> line. I run fetchnews from another script that first calls this script.
>
>> 2) Have those groups really disappeared?
>
>   From your leafnode setup, yes.
>

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#28061

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 23:54:45 -0400, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:

> How about running a cron job once a day which does
> touch /var/spool/news/interesting.groups/*
> This will put the date of all those files to the current time. The only
> way leafnode could tell that they have or have not received attention is
> by looking at the date on those files. It presumably does something like
> the above for each group that it downloads.

Not needed. Just add the -n option when running fetchnews.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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#28080

Groovy hepcat David W. Hodgins was jivin' in alt.os.linux on Sat, 31 Aug
2019 02:03 pm. It's a cool scene! Dig it.

> On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 23:54:45 -0400, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca>
> wrote:
> 
>> How about running a cron job once a day which does
>> touch /var/spool/news/interesting.groups/*
>> This will put the date of all those files to the current time. The
>> only way leafnode could tell that they have or have not received
>> attention is by looking at the date on those files. It presumably
>> does something like the above for each group that it downloads.
> 
> Not needed. Just add the -n option when running fetchnews.

  I've tried that, but I've never seen it work. Hence the need to touch
files in /var/spool/news/interesting.groups/ instead.

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#28081

On Sun, 01 Sep 2019 23:37:03 -0400, Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> wrote:

> Groovy hepcat David W. Hodgins was jivin' in alt.os.linux on Sat, 31 Aug
>> Not needed. Just add the -n option when running fetchnews.

>   I've tried that, but I've never seen it work. Hence the need to touch
> files in /var/spool/news/interesting.groups/ instead.

I think the trick is to ensure that when running fetchnews, the -n option
is always used.

I just ran it without the -n option, and it un-subscribed three groups
that were empty on the news server I use, and that I had already removed
 from selecting in my news reader.

Normally, I run a script called getnews that runs fetchnews via sudo with
the options I want.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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Groovy hepcat David W. Hodgins was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Tue,
3 Sep 2019 09:54 am. It's a cool scene! Dig it.

> On Sun, 01 Sep 2019 23:37:03 -0400, Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood
> <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> wrote:
> 
>> Groovy hepcat David W. Hodgins was jivin' in alt.os.linux on Sat, 31
>> Aug
>>> Not needed. Just add the -n option when running fetchnews.
> 
>>   I've tried that, but I've never seen it work. Hence the need to
>>   touch
>> files in /var/spool/news/interesting.groups/ instead.
> 
> I think the trick is to ensure that when running fetchnews, the -n
> option is always used.

 Yes, that's what I did. The reason I wrote a script to run it in the
first place was to ensure the -n option was always specified. But, as I
said, I've never seen it work. It still deleted groups I wanted to
read. I don't know why -n doesn't work for me; it just doesn't.

> I just ran it without the -n option, and it un-subscribed three groups
> that were empty on the news server I use, and that I had already
> removed
>  from selecting in my news reader.
> 
> Normally, I run a script called getnews that runs fetchnews via sudo
> with the options I want.

  Yep, that's what I do too. My script is called fetchnews-get-news. I
have a launcher for it on my desktop so I can run it with a click.

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#28079

Groovy hepcat William Unruh was jivin' in alt.os.linux on Sat, 31 Aug
2019 01:54 pm. It's a cool scene! Dig it.

> On 2019-08-30, Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au>
>>
>>   I've had similar problems with leafnode. It insists on removing
>>   groups
>> that haven't had any attention for a while. It does this by removing
>> them from /var/spool/news/interesting.groups/. They're just empty
> 
> How about running a cron job once a day which does
> touch /var/spool/news/interesting.groups/*
> This will put the date of all those files to the current time. The
> only way leafnode could tell that they have or have not received
> attention is by looking at the date on those files. It presumably does
> something like the above for each group that it downloads.

  I thought of that too. But it just seemed simpler to use my script so
the directory entries are updated when I need them (ie. when I run
fetchnews).
  But, whatever floats your boat...

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