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  On the indignity of flying. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 00:54 +0100
    Re: On the indignity of flying. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 11:15 +0000
      Re: On the indignity of flying. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 19:29 +0100
      Re: On the indignity of flying. Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2025-01-12 21:38 +0000
        Re: On the indignity of flying. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-13 10:15 +0100
          Re: On the indignity of flying. "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-13 04:35 -0500
            Re: On the indignity of flying. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-13 20:45 +0100
          Re: On the indignity of flying. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 23:10 +0000
            Re: On the indignity of flying. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-14 21:57 +0100
              Re: On the indignity of flying. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-15 01:09 +0000
                Re: On the indignity of flying. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-15 09:57 +0100
    Re: On the indignity of flying. Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-12 14:47 +0000
      Re: On the indignity of flying. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 19:31 +0100
      Re: On the indignity of flying. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 20:19 +0000
    Re: On the indignity of flying. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-13 16:05 +0100
      Re: On the indignity of flying. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-13 20:08 +0100
        Re: On the indignity of flying. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-13 21:32 +0000
          Re: On the indignity of flying. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-14 19:05 +0100
        Re: On the indignity of flying. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-13 23:16 +0100
          Re: On the indignity of flying. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-14 19:06 +0100
    Re: On the indignity of flying. Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-13 15:42 +0000
      Re: On the indignity of flying. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-13 20:09 +0100
        Re: On the indignity of flying. John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-01-13 13:07 -0800
          Re: On the indignity of flying. Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2025-01-13 21:49 +0000
          Re: On the indignity of flying. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-14 19:28 +0100
            Re: On the indignity of flying. John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-01-14 13:06 -0800
              Re: On the indignity of flying. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-15 09:56 +0100
                Re: On the indignity of flying. John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 07:55 -0800
                  Re: On the indignity of flying. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-15 18:59 +0100

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#64180 — On the indignity of flying.

Dear colm:ers and ap:ers,

As regular readers of my posts know, I had the unpleasant opportunity 
to fly with ryanair, back to my refuge from the wokeness of western 
europe.

I generally do not like people, and I like male flight attendants hellbent 
on charming me even less.

Why on earth, would you as a flight attendant, when I clearly do not want 
to engage and do my best to stare at the ceiling, the wall over his head 
or shoulder, loudly scream "HELLLOOOOO!" and try to blind me with beaming 
laser smile?

My main goal on a flight is to interact with as few people as possible, 
and to get off the plane as quick as possible.

Thankfully he was quiet during the flight, but tried the same thing when I 
tried to leave. I responded by ignoring him even more.

Add to that a toddler from hell screaming about 25% of the flight, and it 
was very unpleasant.

There was one saving grace... a very beautiful female flight attendant who 
let me sit next to my wife, so she could decrease my suffering. Before 
landing she shooed me away so as not to affect the balance of the 737 
(BS!) and I said that of course I have to take my bag and coat so as not 
to "affect the balance" or else I would be afraid of the plane crashing.

To my great surprise she smiled at my joke, and said, "well, I don't think 
it would be that serious".

I liked that! =D

But my 1 hour ride throug hell is now over, and I'm happily back in my 
apartment and not in a long metal tube full of people I do not like or do 
not want to meet! All is good now!

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#64213

On 11/01/2025 23:54, D wrote:
> But my 1 hour ride throug hell is now over, and I'm happily back in my 
> apartment and not in a long metal tube full of people I do not like or 
> do not want to meet! All is good now!

Fuck me - a real misanthrope!

Ryanair is the worst airline except for the legendary Braamfontein 
Airlines - "the only planes with outside toilets"

Feast on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuLL8g8ena0

-- 
WOKE is an acronym... Without Originality, Knowledge or Education.

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#64228

On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 11/01/2025 23:54, D wrote:
>> But my 1 hour ride throug hell is now over, and I'm happily back in my 
>> apartment and not in a long metal tube full of people I do not like or do 
>> not want to meet! All is good now!
>
> Fuck me - a real misanthrope!

Yes, the Donald Trump of *anthropes! ;)

> Ryanair is the worst airline except for the legendary Braamfontein Airlines - 
> "the only planes with outside toilets"

This is the truth! In my levels of hell Wizz air are worse than Ryanair 
though, but it's pretty close between the two of them.

If I was a billionaire, the first thing I would do is to never again fly 
with a commercial airline. Possibly, not fly at all, but we'll see about 
that when I'm there. ;)

> Feast on this
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuLL8g8ena0

Thank you very much! Good stuff!

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#64253

On 1/12/25 11:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 11/01/2025 23:54, D wrote:
>> But my 1 hour ride throug hell is now over, and I'm happily back in my 
>> apartment and not in a long metal tube full of people I do not like or 
>> do not want to meet! All is good now!
> 
> Fuck me - a real misanthrope!
> 
> Ryanair is the worst airline except for the legendary Braamfontein 
> Airlines - "the only planes with outside toilets"
> 
> Feast on this
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuLL8g8ena0
> 


I think you are factually mistaken, My uncle claimed to have actually 
used an outdoor toilet on another plane.

Apparently, he had been on a bombing mission in WW2 and was flying back 
over the North Sea when he had a desperate need for a shit. So he put 
the plane on auto pilot, opened the bomb door and took a shit through it.

Much relieved, he returned to base. Whereupon his commanding officer met 
him in front of his plane, and was congratulating him on a successful 
mission. Apparently halfway through this chat, his commander looked at 
the plane and became strangely distracted, it was only then that my 
uncle realised there were long brown smears all along the fuselage...

That is genuine story on my part, if my uncle was bullshitting me, or 
not, I will never know.

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#64273

On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, Pancho wrote:

> On 1/12/25 11:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 11/01/2025 23:54, D wrote:
>>> But my 1 hour ride throug hell is now over, and I'm happily back in my 
>>> apartment and not in a long metal tube full of people I do not like or do 
>>> not want to meet! All is good now!
>> 
>> Fuck me - a real misanthrope!
>> 
>> Ryanair is the worst airline except for the legendary Braamfontein Airlines 
>> - "the only planes with outside toilets"
>> 
>> Feast on this
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuLL8g8ena0
>> 
>
>
> I think you are factually mistaken, My uncle claimed to have actually used an 
> outdoor toilet on another plane.
>
> Apparently, he had been on a bombing mission in WW2 and was flying back over 
> the North Sea when he had a desperate need for a shit. So he put the plane on 
> auto pilot, opened the bomb door and took a shit through it.
>
> Much relieved, he returned to base. Whereupon his commanding officer met him 
> in front of his plane, and was congratulating him on a successful mission. 
> Apparently halfway through this chat, his commander looked at the plane and 
> became strangely distracted, it was only then that my uncle realised there 
> were long brown smears all along the fuselage...
>
> That is genuine story on my part, if my uncle was bullshitting me, or not, I 
> will never know.
>

Fascinating! I would have used some equipment or a helmet or equivalent, 
but to each is own. With a helmet, the story would not have been as good, 
so retrospectively, it was the right choice. ;)

On second thought, if someone would have used the helmet, it could have 
made for a nice finish!

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#64284

Well ............ there's always
BOATS - nice, or cargo ......

If you're rich, private jets - but few
fit that def.

Hmmm ... passage on a cargo ship DOES
have a certain 'romantic' aspect ....

If I was a bit younger .......

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#64306

On Mon, 13 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> Well ............ there's always
> BOATS - nice, or cargo ......
>
> If you're rich, private jets - but few
> fit that def.
>
> Hmmm ... passage on a cargo ship DOES
> have a certain 'romantic' aspect ....
>
> If I was a bit younger .......
>

Yes! Boats and trains, and to a lesser extent cars, are all good options! 
=) As long as I can move around, have a 1 star michelin dinner in a 
restaurant with silverware and white linen dining cloth, I'm a happy 
camper! =D Yes, I am willing to pay x thousand+ euros or dollars for that.

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#64325

On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 10:15:02 +0100, D wrote:

> Fascinating! I would have used some equipment or a helmet or equivalent,
> but to each is own. With a helmet, the story would not have been as
> good,
> so retrospectively, it was the right choice.

I saw a nice looking briefcase in a dumpster at a truck stop and thought 
it would be good to keep my paper maps in. Moral: never, never open a 
briefcase you find in a dumpster.

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#64353

On Tue, 13 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 10:15:02 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> Fascinating! I would have used some equipment or a helmet or equivalent,
>> but to each is own. With a helmet, the story would not have been as
>> good,
>> so retrospectively, it was the right choice.
>
> I saw a nice looking briefcase in a dumpster at a truck stop and thought
> it would be good to keep my paper maps in. Moral: never, never open a
> briefcase you find in a dumpster.
>

This is good advice! I never had the thought, but now I most definitely 
won't. ;)

I did find a case for glasses the other day, and thought about taking it 
to the lost and found in the mall I was in. My wife, who seems to have 
learned your lesson, told me to stop messing around and just leave it were 
it was so the owner could backtrack and find it again.

I feel so swedish sometimes!

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#64359

On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 21:57:05 +0100, D wrote:

> I did find a case for glasses the other day, and thought about taking it
> to the lost and found in the mall I was in. My wife, who seems to have
> learned your lesson, told me to stop messing around and just leave it
> were it was so the owner could backtrack and find it again.

The cowboy wisdom is 'leave shit as you found it'. That's particularly 
relevant to gates. If a gate is open or closed somebody has a good reason 
for it being that way. 

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#64381

On Wed, 15 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 21:57:05 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> I did find a case for glasses the other day, and thought about taking it
>> to the lost and found in the mall I was in. My wife, who seems to have
>> learned your lesson, told me to stop messing around and just leave it
>> were it was so the owner could backtrack and find it again.
>
> The cowboy wisdom is 'leave shit as you found it'. That's particularly
> relevant to gates. If a gate is open or closed somebody has a good reason
> for it being that way.

Never underestimate the ability of a swede to bring a lost bag onto the 
plane out of the goodness of his heart! ;)

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#64224

On 2025-01-11, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
> As regular readers of my posts know, I had the unpleasant opportunity 
> to fly with ryanair, back to my refuge from the wokeness of western 
> europe.

RyanAir is truly one of the world's worst airlines. With Spirit Air in
the US doing their best to emulate them.

As a libertarian, you should hate them even more, because they do their
very best to milk government subsidies; they like to fly in and out of
tiny regional airports attracted there by regional development agencies
that want to bost that they village airport has international airline
service.

> There was one saving grace... a very beautiful female flight attendant who 
> let me sit next to my wife, so she could decrease my suffering. Before 
> landing she shooed me away so as not to affect the balance of the 737 
> (BS!) and I said that of course I have to take my bag and coat so as not 
> to "affect the balance" or else I would be afraid of the plane crashing.
>
> To my great surprise she smiled at my joke, and said, "well, I don't think 
> it would be that serious".

I suspect the weight of your body is more that the weight of you bag and
coat, so there may have been some rational thought in her answer, too.

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#64229

On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:

> On 2025-01-11, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> As regular readers of my posts know, I had the unpleasant opportunity
>> to fly with ryanair, back to my refuge from the wokeness of western
>> europe.
>
> RyanAir is truly one of the world's worst airlines. With Spirit Air in
> the US doing their best to emulate them.

This is very good information. I will do my absolute best to avoid Spirit 
air next time I go to the US!

> As a libertarian, you should hate them even more, because they do their
> very best to milk government subsidies; they like to fly in and out of
> tiny regional airports attracted there by regional development agencies
> that want to bost that they village airport has international airline
> service.

This is the truth! I do not like companies milking the government for 
subsidies and money. As a libertarian, I am against parts of amazon and 
parts of facebook, google & co as well.

>> There was one saving grace... a very beautiful female flight attendant who
>> let me sit next to my wife, so she could decrease my suffering. Before
>> landing she shooed me away so as not to affect the balance of the 737
>> (BS!) and I said that of course I have to take my bag and coat so as not
>> to "affect the balance" or else I would be afraid of the plane crashing.
>>
>> To my great surprise she smiled at my joke, and said, "well, I don't think
>> it would be that serious".
>
> I suspect the weight of your body is more that the weight of you bag and
> coat, so there may have been some rational thought in her answer, too.

I hope not, that would be boring. ;)

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#64239

On 12/01/2025 14:47, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On 2025-01-11, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> As regular readers of my posts know, I had the unpleasant opportunity
>> to fly with ryanair, back to my refuge from the wokeness of western
>> europe.
> 
> RyanAir is truly one of the world's worst airlines. With Spirit Air in
> the US doing their best to emulate them.
> 
> As a libertarian, you should hate them even more, because they do their
> very best to milk government subsidies; they like to fly in and out of
> tiny regional airports attracted there by regional development agencies
> that want to bost that they village airport has international airline
> service.
> 
>> There was one saving grace... a very beautiful female flight attendant who
>> let me sit next to my wife, so she could decrease my suffering. Before
>> landing she shooed me away so as not to affect the balance of the 737
>> (BS!) and I said that of course I have to take my bag and coat so as not
>> to "affect the balance" or else I would be afraid of the plane crashing.
>>
>> To my great surprise she smiled at my joke, and said, "well, I don't think
>> it would be that serious".
> 
> I suspect the weight of your body is more that the weight of you bag and
> coat, so there may have been some rational thought in her answer, too.
If it gets you where you want to go at rock bottom prices, who cares?

-- 
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit 
atrocities.”

― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de 
Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de 
M. de Voltaire

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#64298

On 2025-01-12 00:54, D wrote:
> There was one saving grace... a very beautiful female flight attendant 
> who let me sit next to my wife, so she could decrease my suffering. 
> Before landing she shooed me away so as not to affect the balance of the 
> 737 (BS!) and I said that of course I have to take my bag and coat so as 
> not to "affect the balance" or else I would be afraid of the plane 
> crashing.
> 
> To my great surprise she smiled at my joke, and said, "well, I don't 
> think it would be that serious".

I believe the reason is that, if there is an accident, they can identify 
you as the person listed to be sitting on 17B.


For the record, I love flying.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#64304

On Mon, 13 Jan 2025, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 2025-01-12 00:54, D wrote:
>> There was one saving grace... a very beautiful female flight attendant who 
>> let me sit next to my wife, so she could decrease my suffering. Before 
>> landing she shooed me away so as not to affect the balance of the 737 (BS!) 
>> and I said that of course I have to take my bag and coat so as not to 
>> "affect the balance" or else I would be afraid of the plane crashing.
>> 
>> To my great surprise she smiled at my joke, and said, "well, I don't think 
>> it would be that serious".
>
> I believe the reason is that, if there is an accident, they can identify you 
> as the person listed to be sitting on 17B.

Not necessary. They can do that by other means. Also people are switching 
around all the time, so clearly it was a b.s. response. B.s. responses 
must always be punished to stop them from happening.

> For the record, I love flying.

For the record, I hate flying and consider myself being in hell from the 
moment I step into the airport. It is very difficult for me to imagine a 
more denigrating, inhuman and undignified way to travel than modern travel 
by plane.

If I had my own private jet, and my own airport, I might reconsider. Until 
then, I do my best to never move from the city I am in. Sadly my wife and 
father make life very difficult for me sometimes, so that is when I do 
move for their sake. But otherwise, I would happily live the rest of my 
days next to my beloved fishing lake. =)

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#64313

In comp.os.linux.misc D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
> If I had my own private jet, and my own airport, I might reconsider.

If you had a private jet, you don't need your own airport.  "private 
jet" owners use the "not available to mere peons" "executive entrance" 
and bypass the entire cattle ranch indignity of the insides of all 
airports.

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#64343

On Mon, 13 Jan 2025, Rich wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.misc D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> If I had my own private jet, and my own airport, I might reconsider.
>
> If you had a private jet, you don't need your own airport.  "private
> jet" owners use the "not available to mere peons" "executive entrance"
> and bypass the entire cattle ranch indignity of the insides of all
> airports.
>

You do have a point! Let's see when I get my hands on one. ;) I was close 
to renting one during corona, but the masspsychosis ended before I went 
through with it. It was surprisingly cheap, around 5k to 9k EUR per leg 
for up to 4 hours I think.

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#64318

On 2025-01-13 20:08, D wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 13 Jan 2025, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-01-12 00:54, D wrote:
>>> There was one saving grace... a very beautiful female flight 
>>> attendant who let me sit next to my wife, so she could decrease my 
>>> suffering. Before landing she shooed me away so as not to affect the 
>>> balance of the 737 (BS!) and I said that of course I have to take my 
>>> bag and coat so as not to "affect the balance" or else I would be 
>>> afraid of the plane crashing.
>>>
>>> To my great surprise she smiled at my joke, and said, "well, I don't 
>>> think it would be that serious".
>>
>> I believe the reason is that, if there is an accident, they can 
>> identify you as the person listed to be sitting on 17B.
> 
> Not necessary. They can do that by other means. Also people are 
> switching around all the time, so clearly it was a b.s. response. B.s. 
> responses must always be punished to stop them from happening.

None the less, I think it is true. Several companies have the same rule, 
do not change seat till after lift up.

> 
>> For the record, I love flying.
> 
> For the record, I hate flying and consider myself being in hell from the 
> moment I step into the airport. It is very difficult for me to imagine a 
> more denigrating, inhuman and undignified way to travel than modern 
> travel by plane.
> 
> If I had my own private jet, and my own airport, I might reconsider. 
> Until then, I do my best to never move from the city I am in. Sadly my 
> wife and father make life very difficult for me sometimes, so that is 
> when I do move for their sake. But otherwise, I would happily live the 
> rest of my days next to my beloved fishing lake. =)

Then you will suffer.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#64344

On Mon, 13 Jan 2025, Carlos E.R. wrote:

>> For the record, I hate flying and consider myself being in hell from the 
>> moment I step into the airport. It is very difficult for me to imagine a 
>> more denigrating, inhuman and undignified way to travel than modern travel 
>> by plane.
>> 
>> If I had my own private jet, and my own airport, I might reconsider. Until 
>> then, I do my best to never move from the city I am in. Sadly my wife and 
>> father make life very difficult for me sometimes, so that is when I do move 
>> for their sake. But otherwise, I would happily live the rest of my days 
>> next to my beloved fishing lake. =)
>
> Then you will suffer.
>

At the moment you are correct. When I buy my private jet, or when family dies
and wife settles down, I suspect I will suffer less. =)

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