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Re: The joy of pipes

From Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: The joy of pipes
Date 2024-11-16 10:31 +0000
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Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> writes:
> On 11/15/2024 12:49 AM, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>  On 11/14/24 9:05 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: 
>
>  On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 16:09:07 -0800, John Ames wrote: 
>
>  (I think it was a topic shift to applications of *nix pipes...?) 
>
>  Oh shelly boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling ... 
>
>    Pipes are good. 
>
>    But, really, they're just temp files the parent 
>    process can access. 
>
> Pipes *could* be implemented with temporary disk files, at least to an
> extent, but as far as I can tell, they're not.

“Temporary files the parent can access” is not a good model for a couple
of reasons:

* The semantics are different. Bytes read from a regular file are still
  there to be read again if you rewind the file; bytes read from a pipe
  are gone. Empty/full files behave differently to empty/full pipes.

* Temporary regular files can already be accessed by other processes by
  name, by file descriptor inheritance, or file descriptor passing.

-- 
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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  Re: The joy of octal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-11-11 09:03 -0800
    Re: The joy of octal Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-11 15:58 -0500
      Re: The joy of octal Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-11-12 02:30 -0700
        Re: The joy of octal Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-12 07:29 -0500
          Re: The joy of EBCDIC John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-11-12 11:14 -0800
            Re: The joy of EBCDIC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-12 19:51 +0000
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              Re: The joy of EBCDIC Clemens Schüller <cs.usenet@mailbox.org> - 2024-11-14 21:20 +0100
                Re: The joy of EBCDIC Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2024-11-14 23:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-11-14 16:09 -0800
                Re: The joy of pipes Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-15 02:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-15 02:49 -0500
                Re: The joy of pipes John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-11-15 07:55 -0800
                Re: The joy of pipes Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-16 00:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2024-11-16 04:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-16 06:46 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-16 00:37 -0500
                Re: The joy of pipes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-16 06:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-16 03:03 -0500
                Re: The joy of pipes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-16 18:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-16 23:38 -0500
                Re: The joy of pipes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-16 18:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-16 10:31 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-16 23:59 -0500
                Re: The joy of pipes Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-17 05:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-17 01:05 -0500
                Re: The joy of pipes Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-17 07:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-17 03:27 -0500
                Re: The joy of pipes Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-17 08:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-17 22:50 -0500
                Re: The joy of pipes Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-18 06:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-18 01:51 -0500
                Re: The joy of pipes Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-18 09:20 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-18 09:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-18 11:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-18 13:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-18 17:04 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-18 17:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-18 17:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-18 22:50 -0500
                Re: The joy of pipes Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-19 04:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-19 09:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-19 09:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-18 17:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-19 09:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-19 21:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-18 22:32 -0500
                Re: The joy of pipes Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2024-11-19 04:50 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-19 04:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of pipes Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2024-11-15 06:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of EBCDIC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-15 20:23 +0000
        Re: The joy of octal Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2024-11-12 20:09 +0000
    Re: The joy of octal Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202411.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2024-11-12 23:45 +0100
      Re: The joy of octal "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-15 02:58 -0500
        Re: The joy of octal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-15 18:28 +0000
          Re: The joy of octal Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-11-15 14:30 -0600
            Re: The joy of octal "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-16 00:01 -0500
              Re: The joy of octal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-16 05:50 +0000
              Re: The joy of octal Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2024-11-16 15:14 +0100
                Re: The joy of octal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-16 14:38 +0000
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            Re: The joy of octal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-16 05:24 +0000
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