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| From | Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> |
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| Newsgroups | alt.folklore.computers, comp.os.linux.misc |
| Subject | Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] |
| Date | 2024-09-30 10:19 +0100 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <vddqed$264fi$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 9/29/24 07:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 29/09/2024 06:44, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote: > The only ones I came to HATE >> were LISP/PROLOG and ADA - the latter being SO fascist >> that, well, no WONDER govt projects take 20 years .... > Well yes, that what happens when you let computer scientists take over. > > I knew someone who ran a small company doing low level programming fir > their custome hardware. > One day one of the coders said 'lets do the next one in C++' > So they did, and a year later realised that before you wrote C++ you > have to sit down and write some or of spec to show what objects you are > going to need to create etc etc. I think of OO more as a design philosophy than a language feature. The early problem I saw with C++ was projects that implemented classes bottom up. If you saw they had written their own string class, you immediately knew the project was going to fail. The basic idea behind this is that initially you need to have a good overall picture of what your application is going to do. You need to be able to split a project into separate parts, separate components. This effectively mapped to designing classes top down. The failing projects would get programmers learning a new language trying to develop utility classes to make their life "easy". They would spend all their time doing this and hence the project would fail. It would also be difficult to on board new programmers, due to all the badly designed utility classes they needed to learn. Of its self I thought C++ was a brilliant language, for its time. > In the same way I always write down a crude 'data dictionary' whenever I > am implementing any sort of file based data system. And especially an > SQL based one > > But they didn't. They tried to hack it and it was a disaster. > I hate OO. > > It is a compsci invention that doesn't map well onto an actually CPU > which is a procedural beast. > It maps fine. Most optimisation is about efficient algorithms, not about shaving micro-seconds off a loop in a crap or naive algorithm. Without high level concepts such as objects, it is very hard to implement more abstract, but more efficient algorithms. Caveat, I'm relatively bad with complexity. I'm very good with simplicity, but bad with complexity, I have sometimes wondered if there are different types of intelligence. I have worked with Cambridge types who claimed to be good with complexity. > > Most of its vaunted advantages can be attained by writing C in a > structured way and others like operator overloading are just damned > confusing. > Yes, I could implement OO designs in C, and I would if I had to, but I would be borrowing what I learnt from C++ and other OO languages. > I don't WANT to use the same syntax to add two strings together as to > add two numbers. > Syntactic sugar can be nice, as long as it doesn't obscure what is really going on. Mainly I don't like it because it makes unfamiliar languages harder to understand. > I found that out in JavaScript where a comparison between a string "1" > and a number 1 failed on IE but worked on Firefox. > > I had found an 'undefined' gap in the language. > > In C you are absolutely aware at all times what type of object you are > dealing with and if you move to another one it's via an explicit cast. > Or if implicit, you normally get a compiler warning. > Oh, I can be unaware of what my code is really doing, in any language :-) > In C if you want to deallocate RAM you say so. It doesn't silently > collect garbage under your feet and take a millisecond to do it > And you can deallocate RAM many times, or not at all. I have a friend interested in music and he won't touch garbage collection, but I rarely cared about non deterministic short pauses. The benefits of not doing all the janitor stuff with memory was huge. I think even non garbage collection modern languages try to automate memory allocation and deallocation, ref counting, out of scope destructors etc. Being happy with garbage collection I never looked at it, but the ideas date back to (at least) the mid 1990s C++, Scott Meyers etc. > Javascript silently just does what it *thinks* you meant. And gets it > wrong. > > In short there is a layer of uncertainty built into modern languages > that attempt to map abstract compsci concepts into actual procedural code. > > Which is why C is probably still the most popular language. > Only with old codgers. > >
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Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 02:40 +0000
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Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-26 07:49 -1000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 20:48 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-26 22:36 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 23:07 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-26 01:32 +0000
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Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 10:10 +0000
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Re: The joy of VAX C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 02:53 +0000
Re: The joy of VAX C Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
Re: The joy of VAX C Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:10 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 01:39 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 14:18 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-27 09:55 -1000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-27 11:13 -1000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 08:34 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 09:07 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:30 +0000
TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-09-25 15:18 -0400
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 01:44 -0400
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:50 +0100
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:06 +0000
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 06:55 -0700
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 09:08 -0700
Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:21 +0000
Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 16:25 -0700
Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-09-29 23:36 +0000
Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2024-09-30 00:54 +0000
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 20:55 +0000
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:15 +0000
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-30 10:24 +0100
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:19 +0000
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-09-30 15:44 -0600
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:42 +0000
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-01 15:57 +0100
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 16:14 +0100
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-01 16:37 +0000
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Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 10:56 +0100
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-02 18:07 -0700
Re: Recursion [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 01:22 +0000
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:48 +0000
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-03 03:04 -0600
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-03 18:35 +0000
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Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-03 16:34 -0700
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-10-04 10:59 +0000
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 12:48 +0100
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 20:10 +0000
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-01 15:39 -0700
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-02 00:06 +0000
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 11:34 +0100
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-02 15:48 -0400
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-03 10:33 +0100
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 11:30 +0100
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-03 08:59 +0100
Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:47 +0000
Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-03 08:58 +0100
Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-03 15:34 +0000
Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 21:52 +0000
Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 03:46 +0000
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 11:09 -0700
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 13:52 -0700
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:27 +0000
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 15:00 -0700
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:21 +0000
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 16:27 -0700
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 13:43 +0100
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 07:58 -0700
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 16:15 +0100
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:51 +0000
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 14:59 -0700
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 22:17 +0000
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 16:07 -0700
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-02 00:54 +0000
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 07:57 -0700
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-03 00:17 +0000
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2024-09-30 21:22 -0300
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 01:31 +0000
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 01:38 +0000
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 07:43 -0700
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-30 10:19 +0100
Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-30 23:28 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:27 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 14:42 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 01:41 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:29 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 17:53 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-24 20:01 +0200
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:36 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 00:52 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 04:45 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-25 17:39 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-25 07:13 -1000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-25 11:34 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 08:08 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTRAN drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2024-09-25 20:47 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 01:43 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:30 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-28 02:20 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 02:22 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 07:42 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 07:37 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-28 07:07 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-28 19:36 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 22:04 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-09-28 21:20 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 22:28 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 03:11 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:22 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 19:56 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 10:01 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 18:39 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 11:15 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 13:45 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 08:02 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:17 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:46 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:53 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:17 +0100
Re: The joy of ALGOL-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:37 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:25 +0000
Re: stacks are not hard, The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-04 03:49 +0000
Re: stacks are not hard, The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 03:51 +0000
Re: stacks are not hard, The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-04 17:07 -1000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:26 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:11 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-09-30 16:51 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-30 20:58 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:33 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-30 19:03 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 16:53 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 16:39 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-30 23:10 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 17:36 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-28 17:41 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2024-09-28 21:44 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:06 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-29 02:57 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 08:34 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 19:39 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:25 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-28 15:17 -0700
7-bit encodings (was: Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 00:36 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 03:15 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:16 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 19:29 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:24 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-30 16:31 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 18:12 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2024-09-30 21:26 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:10 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 03:01 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-09-29 07:58 +0000
Into the woods of business Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 07:11 -0700
Re: Into the woods of business vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-09-29 20:02 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 20:09 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 21:41 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:26 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:46 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:54 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:26 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-10-01 03:52 -0500
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-01 15:49 -0600
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-10-01 18:04 -0500
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-02 03:12 -0600
Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:27 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-09-30 12:35 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 14:26 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-30 19:53 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:47 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 18:39 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:55 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:45 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 17:40 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:44 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 23:31 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-24 19:11 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-24 20:22 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 21:09 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 23:49 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-24 22:05 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:37 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-24 13:21 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2024-09-24 17:12 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-24 22:05 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2024-09-25 13:01 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 15:13 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-24 19:55 +0200
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:36 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-25 02:42 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 06:47 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 07:14 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-25 23:16 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-26 16:18 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 20:51 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-27 11:32 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-27 12:10 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 14:15 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 14:13 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-09-27 22:00 +0200
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 20:38 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:33 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-28 20:17 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-04 01:19 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 05:48 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-04 02:03 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 06:56 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 07:40 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 20:13 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 22:47 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 06:12 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-05 23:20 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-06 03:29 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-06 16:06 -0600
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-07 03:02 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-07 10:00 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-05 02:37 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 06:13 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-05 07:00 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 08:08 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-06 02:29 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-06 03:43 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 08:39 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-04 08:00 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-04 17:06 +0000
Re: python abstractions, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-04 18:00 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-27 02:45 -0400
Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 06:52 +0000
Re: The joy of Ada Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2024-09-27 12:02 +0100
Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:35 +0000
Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-27 20:54 -0400
Re: The joy of Ada Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-28 09:32 +0000
Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 01:30 -0400
Re: The joy of Ada Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-04 05:26 -0600
Re: The joy of Ada Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-10-04 15:48 +0000
Re: The joy of Ada Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 21:45 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 07:59 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-09-27 11:08 -0500
Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 09:32 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-27 18:38 +0200
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
Re: The pain of Excel Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:41 +0000
Re: The pain of Excel Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
Re: The pain of Excel Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:35 +0000
Re: The pain of Excel Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:46 +0000
Re: The pain of Excel Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:55 +0000
Re: The pain of Excel Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-30 10:36 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-27 21:49 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 10:36 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 18:51 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:48 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-30 18:04 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:52 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 01:26 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 01:39 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-01 11:35 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-01 15:39 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-02 00:58 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-26 23:30 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-26 21:20 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 15:09 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 20:38 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:43 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:36 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-28 03:18 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 09:12 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 08:24 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 01:28 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:42 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 20:00 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-09-29 17:08 -0500
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:28 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 23:36 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-30 07:40 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 07:52 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-30 20:19 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:08 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-02 03:34 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTRAN moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-10-03 17:32 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 01:06 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 01:42 +0000
OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-09-30 08:36 -0700
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 17:00 +0100
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:57 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 00:51 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-09-30 20:32 -0700
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-01 16:37 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 11:02 +0100
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-02 16:43 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-02 18:07 -0700
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 13:51 +0100
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 19:00 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 11:18 +0100
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-02 16:41 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:34 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 19:03 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 22:00 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-02 02:40 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-02 03:05 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-02 07:29 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-02 08:30 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-02 16:46 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 18:11 +0100
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-02 22:33 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-02 23:53 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-03 02:10 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 03:48 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-03 10:56 +0100
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-03 15:34 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-03 18:38 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 22:26 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 03:26 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 03:54 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 10:47 +0100
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 19:39 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 22:24 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-03 23:55 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 00:38 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-03 18:11 -0700
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of Population Growth Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 01:46 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-04 10:20 +0200
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 10:39 +0100
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-04 17:06 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 19:46 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 10:33 +0100
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-04 17:06 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 03:01 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 03:53 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 07:45 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 10:44 +0100
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 19:44 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 20:32 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 20:31 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 23:52 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 06:16 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 10:39 +0100
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-04 16:40 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 21:05 +0100
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-05 02:37 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-02 18:07 -0700
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-03 02:20 +0000
Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-03 10:52 +0100
Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 22:22 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-03 23:55 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 00:37 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 02:53 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 03:53 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 07:42 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 20:18 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 23:29 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-04 16:46 -0700
Re: The joy of Democracy Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2024-10-05 08:31 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 06:19 +0000
Re: The joy of 1950s Democracy John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-05 15:51 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-04 10:21 +0200
Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 19:19 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-04 22:24 +0200
Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-04 17:06 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 19:22 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 20:30 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 23:14 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 06:22 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-05 07:03 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 08:07 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-05 23:59 -0400
Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-06 13:44 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 20:26 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 23:42 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-05 07:57 -0700
Re: The joy of Democracy R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-10-05 22:52 +0200
Re: The joy of Democracy John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-05 22:20 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-06 03:21 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2024-10-06 12:32 +0000
Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 23:14 +0000
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