Re: The Tragedy Of systemd

From	Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: The Tragedy Of systemd
Date	2024-10-09 02:15 +0000
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On 2024-10-09, Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> wrote:
> I'm not going to disagree. Systemd is complicated compared to InitV. 
> That being says, it always comes down to what people like and what works 
> for them.

The old stuff that we remember from our youth is easy for us; to the
degree that we remember what we did 40 years ago, we don't need to read
the man pages.

But redhat has funding from and obligations to groups that run large
datacenters that need to be managed from control desks based on
parameterized templates, and to support these needs, they built
something that works for that crowd.

I just wish they had some simple articles that I could find that makes
it easier for me to find where thy put the things I need to edit to make
my SMALL and SIMPLE system to work in MY environment.

Where is the per-network-device data that used to be in
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts now? I know I am supposed to use
network-manager, but how does it play with ifconfig and "ip addr" and
"ip route"? The amount of documentation i need to read to do simple
things like making sure that my default route is correct on bootup is
daunting. So instead I put a startup file in /etc/rc.d/rc.local or
the root crontab "@reboot", even though I am sure there is a systemd
service definition I am supposed to make a simple edit to.

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The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-08 06:55 +0000
  Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-08 06:39 -0400
    Re: The Tragedy Of systemd The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-08 11:48 +0100
      Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-08 15:13 -0400
        Re: The Tragedy Of systemd not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-10-09 07:39 +1000
          Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-08 20:57 -0400
            Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2024-10-08 21:52 -0400
              Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-08 23:18 -0400
            Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-09 02:15 +0000
              Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-08 23:23 -0400
              Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-09 04:58 +0000
              Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-10-09 07:53 +0200
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-09 11:36 +0100
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-09 13:26 +0100
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-10 07:43 +0000
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-10 09:02 +0100
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-10-10 11:03 +0200
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-11 01:29 +0000
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-10 07:57 +0000
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-10-10 11:04 +0200
              Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-10-09 16:10 +0100
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-10 07:39 +0000
        Re: The Tragedy Of systemd The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-09 07:40 +0100
          Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-10-10 08:29 +0200
            Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-10-10 07:45 +0100
          Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-10 07:40 +0000
      Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-08 15:15 -0400
        Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-10-08 20:50 +0100
          Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-08 23:08 +0000
        Re: The Tragedy Of systemd rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-08 20:38 +0000
          Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-08 23:09 +0000
            Re: The Tragedy Of systemd "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-09 00:10 -0400
            Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-09 10:50 +0100
              Re: The Tragedy Of systemd The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-09 13:21 +0100
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-09 22:06 +0200
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-10 10:17 +0100
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-10 07:45 +0000
              Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-10 07:44 +0000
          Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-08 20:45 -0400
            Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-09 04:53 +0000
        Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-10-09 07:55 +0200
          Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-09 02:07 -0400
            Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-10-10 08:30 +0200
              Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-10 10:20 -0400
            Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-10 07:46 +0000
              Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-10-10 11:07 +0200
      Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-08 23:07 +0000

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