Re: The Tragedy Of systemd

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From	not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev)
Subject	Re: The Tragedy Of systemd
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Date	2024-10-09 07:39 +1000
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Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> wrote:
> Is there anything else other then Systemd and InitV?

There are lots of 'em. OpenRC is another common default for
distros.

Here's a list, but not complete:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Comparison_of_init_systems

Also Busybox has a clone of SysV init, and OpenWrt has their own
"procd" system.

> Now, I'll give everyone this, most people don't think about "Why Systemd 
> vs Why InitV" when they build their systems and if they don't have a 
> distro that gives them a choice then sure, they are going to choose 
> whatever their distro comes with (I hate distro's BTW. Build your own 
> source or go home is my take, but I digress).

Well I started taking Systemd with the distros, then I had to
actually change something with it and experienced the appalling
design, then I made the effort to switch everything back to SysVinit
(I found Devuan, with its separate package repos, far more reliable
than AntiX as a Systemd-free version of Debian). My reasons had
already been stated, and argued against, by others at that point.
No reason for me to go into them now.

> I don't think it's a bad thing that we have 2 systems to choose from. 
> Each has it's place. Personally, I'd love to see at least 3 more options 
> but I don't think that will happen any time soon.

Systemd is an obscenely complicated way to do an init system, but
there's nothing about it that needs to be complicated. It does a
simple job at heart and new alternatives aren't hard to make (or
find).

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  Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-08 06:39 -0400
    Re: The Tragedy Of systemd The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-08 11:48 +0100
      Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-08 15:13 -0400
        Re: The Tragedy Of systemd not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-10-09 07:39 +1000
          Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-08 20:57 -0400
            Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2024-10-08 21:52 -0400
              Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-08 23:18 -0400
            Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-09 02:15 +0000
              Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-08 23:23 -0400
              Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-09 04:58 +0000
              Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-10-09 07:53 +0200
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-09 11:36 +0100
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-09 13:26 +0100
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-10 07:43 +0000
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-10 09:02 +0100
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-10-10 11:03 +0200
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-11 01:29 +0000
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-10 07:57 +0000
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-10-10 11:04 +0200
              Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-10-09 16:10 +0100
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-10 07:39 +0000
        Re: The Tragedy Of systemd The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-09 07:40 +0100
          Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-10-10 08:29 +0200
            Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-10-10 07:45 +0100
          Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-10 07:40 +0000
      Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-08 15:15 -0400
        Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-10-08 20:50 +0100
          Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-08 23:08 +0000
        Re: The Tragedy Of systemd rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-08 20:38 +0000
          Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-08 23:09 +0000
            Re: The Tragedy Of systemd "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-09 00:10 -0400
            Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-09 10:50 +0100
              Re: The Tragedy Of systemd The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-09 13:21 +0100
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-09 22:06 +0200
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-10 10:17 +0100
                Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-10 07:45 +0000
              Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-10 07:44 +0000
          Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-08 20:45 -0400
            Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-09 04:53 +0000
        Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-10-09 07:55 +0200
          Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-09 02:07 -0400
            Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-10-10 08:30 +0200
              Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-10 10:20 -0400
            Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-10 07:46 +0000
              Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-10-10 11:07 +0200
      Re: The Tragedy Of systemd Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-08 23:07 +0000

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