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Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities

From	William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities
Date	2017-03-08 22:19 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID	<o9q01u$mie$2@dont-email.me> (permalink)
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On 2017-03-08, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Mar 2017, pureheart@pacbell.net wrote:
>
>> The latest release from Wikileaks apparently shows that *everything* is 
>> vulnerable to remote snooping; Windows (of course), Android, MacOS, 
>> Linux....everything (well, maybe not CP/M or BeOS or Plan9 or AmigaDOS 
>> and things like that...) Heretofore I had had what I guess was a false 
>> sense of security from using Linux.
>>
> Operating systems don't cause security breaches, the administrators do.

Nope. The evidence does not support this contention. There have been too
many recent discoveries of bugs in the operating system or in the design
of say network protocols to give the lie to this. Certainly many many
specific vulnerabilities are user (including administrator) induced. But
not all.

>
> At this point, there have been enough large scale 'breeches" that some 
> must have been Linux systems, simply because Linux is used a lot on 
> servers.  But if you don't update after fixes come in, then you're 

But before the update comes in, the vulnerability is still there, and
can be exploited. Just because the open community has not discovered
them, does not mean that the black hats have not. 

> vulnerable.  If you don't secure things in the first place, you're 
> vulnerable.

And even if you do, you are vulnerable. Less so, addmitedly, but
vulnerable.

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Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities pureheart@pacbell.net - 2017-03-08 09:11 -0800
  Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-08 19:43 +0000
    Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Mark Dixon <mnd999@hotmaill.com> - 2017-03-12 11:24 +0000
    Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities 4891wsmith1984@gmail.com - 2017-03-12 09:12 -0700
      Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2017-03-12 09:44 -0700
      Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-12 18:09 +0000
        Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities 4891wsmith1984@gmail.com - 2017-03-12 11:53 -0700
          Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-12 19:19 +0000
            Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities 4891wsmith1984@gmail.com - 2017-03-12 12:28 -0700
          Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-12 15:31 -0400
            Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-12 22:20 +0000
        Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2017-03-12 20:22 +0100
          Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities 4891wsmith1984@gmail.com - 2017-03-12 12:59 -0700
            Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2017-03-12 22:23 +0100
              Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2017-03-14 20:00 -0400
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2017-03-15 03:22 +0100
            Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-12 20:46 -0400
              Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities 4891wsmith1984@gmail.com - 2017-03-13 04:34 -0700
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 21:30 -0400
  Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2017-03-08 16:09 -0500
    Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-08 22:00 +0000
    Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2017-03-08 22:19 +0000
    Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2017-03-09 15:19 -0500
      Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-09 22:14 +0000
        Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2017-03-09 17:44 -0500
          Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2017-03-10 13:15 -0500
            Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-10 19:58 +0000
              Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2017-03-11 12:04 -0500
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2017-03-11 17:32 +0000
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-11 18:08 +0000
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2017-03-12 14:17 -0400
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2017-03-12 19:36 +0100
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-12 19:16 +0000
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2017-03-12 14:12 -0700
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Frank V <frank.vandermeiren@telenet.be> - 2017-03-12 23:10 +0100
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2017-03-12 15:55 -0400
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2017-03-12 22:27 +0100
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-12 22:23 +0000
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2017-03-12 23:33 +0100
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2017-03-12 15:59 -0700
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities 4891wsmith1984@gmail.com - 2017-03-13 04:37 -0700
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-12 19:12 +0000
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2017-03-12 23:39 +0100
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2017-03-11 19:40 +0100
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2017-03-11 10:55 -0800
            Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2017-03-10 21:00 +0000
            Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2017-03-10 16:10 -0500
            Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2017-03-10 21:50 +0100
              Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-11 08:08 +0000
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2017-03-11 12:55 +0100
            Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2017-03-11 07:22 +0000
              Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-11 07:27 +0000
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2017-03-11 12:57 +0100
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-11 12:30 +0000
              Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2017-03-11 12:10 -0500
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2017-03-11 17:35 +0000
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2017-03-11 12:40 -0500
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2017-03-11 18:05 +0000
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2017-03-12 14:12 -0400
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2017-03-11 19:44 +0100
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2017-03-11 20:45 +0000
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2017-03-11 21:08 +0000
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2017-03-11 21:46 +0000
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2017-03-11 21:05 +0000
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-12 03:56 -0400
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2017-03-12 20:34 +0100
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2017-03-11 12:55 -0500
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2017-03-11 10:58 -0800
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2017-03-11 22:45 +0100
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2017-03-11 14:46 -0800
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2017-03-12 05:10 +0000
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2017-03-12 11:11 +0000
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2017-03-11 17:16 -0500
                Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2017-03-12 14:21 -0400
  Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2017-03-08 22:14 +0000
  Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2017-03-08 18:03 -0500
    Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-08 23:21 +0000
      Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2017-03-09 02:29 +0100
        Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Dave <noone$$@llondel.org> - 2017-03-10 20:44 -0800
          Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2017-03-11 07:21 +0000
            Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-11 08:20 +0000
              Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-11 11:34 +0000
            Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2017-03-11 14:27 +0000
  Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities iosvanigch@gmail.com - 2017-03-08 20:12 -0800
    Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2017-03-08 20:24 -0800
      Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-09 08:11 +0000
        Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2017-03-12 14:18 -0700
          Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2017-03-12 22:58 +0100
            Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2017-03-12 15:25 -0700
              Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2017-03-12 23:35 +0100
            Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2017-03-13 00:11 +0000
              Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2017-03-13 01:28 +0100
          Re: Wikileaks Vault7 release--Linux vulnerabilities Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-12 22:58 +0000

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